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2010-01-26
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Wow Tex.... this is the first political point of view I think we've actually been on the same page
I graduated high school in 1979. I watched as my younger brothers received an increasingly inferior education as zero tolerance, no-pass-no-play, "don't reward high achievers and make the others feel bad" and other well-intended meddling tweaks diminished the actual education. Far less was expected of my youngest brother than was of me. I saw it in his homework, his projects, his grades, and his critical & abstract thinking skills. Fortunately college got him back on track.
Now my kids are even worse off. They think I'm crazy for demanding more of them than their test-oriented teachers do.
I was taught to learn. My kids are taught to game tests. I got zeroes for missing work. I now see teacher's strike it off a grade report with no penalty.
Caring parents these days find themselves supplementing school work. It isn't easy... especially when the kids fight back ("no other parents expect this!!!"). Yes, this generation really is being done wrong, and will be at a disadvantage... at least, kids in the US.
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2010-01-26
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^ Good call (RevdKathy, but fatalsaint too ).
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2010-01-26
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy
I've actually never minded the one-on-one instructor/pupil model. In fact it's the reason I do as I do here on the forums, actively participating in threads that I respond to to walk people through it. I also agree that IRC is much easier. Like Tex, I'm usually better at figuring it out though.
Well any generalisation is going to allow for exceptions. I might have expected you'd be one.
Actually, one could argue that that's a feature of the classic 'geek' personality, which is why the 'teach-me' personality of the non-geek is so problematic here. In most other environments people love a chance to show off what they know to someone willing to ask and learn.
The problem I see more and more these days however is that kids are not interested in even the teacher/pupil model. To hell with figuring it out.. they don't even want to be taught it.
What they want.. is to be willfully ignorant of everything and are perfectly content letting everyone else do the work. I have arguments with my wife sometimes when she helps the kids with homeworks because she tells them answers if they don't get it right the first time... you have to walk kids through it - make THEM figure it out.. or at least understand the process in which you GOT the answer.
This phrase is far too common now.. and so unbelievably annoying:
"Can't you just do it for me?"
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2010-01-26
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy
In one fell swoop you've identified the biggest change that Maemo 5 and the N900 has done to this community. Me wonders if anyone could really be ready for such a drastic shift...
Actually, one could argue that that's a feature of the classic 'geek' personality, which is why the 'teach-me' personality of the non-geek is so problematic here. In most other environments people love a chance to show off what they know to someone willing to ask and learn.
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2010-01-26
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Originally Posted by ARJWright
Really good point, i've even seen this from just lurking since the N900 was anounced...
In one fell swoop you've identified the biggest change that Maemo 5 and the N900 has done to this community. Me wonders if anyone could really be ready for such a drastic shift...
Hopefully tho as people play with a few bits they'll get interested in how the rest works..
... hopefully..
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2010-01-26
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Originally Posted by ARJWright
The non-geeks have always been here asking how to do things - just look at the Maemo 1 forum (e.g. questions about "Deleting mails" and "Fullscreen toggle"). What has changed is the percentage of non-geeks (like myself with my unrooted N810) versus geeks. Certainly a large percentage of forum members in the pre-N900 days were geeks (and, I suspect, a large percentage of NIT owners also fit into that category). But now the non-geek floodgates have opened.
In one fell swoop you've identified the biggest change that Maemo 5 and the N900 has done to this community. Me wonders if anyone could really be ready for such a drastic shift...
Frankly, some of the members were not ready for this and the forum structure is woefully deficient in directing the deluge into flood control channels. My advice is just to keep your head above water and ride the wave. Hopefully the success of the N900 relative to the N770, N800, and N810 will bring more geeks into the fold to develop marvelous programs for us peasants.
Actually, one could argue that that's a feature of the classic 'geek' personality, which is why the 'teach-me' personality of the non-geek is so problematic here. In most other environments people love a chance to show off what they know to someone willing to ask and learn.
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