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jer006 is offline jer006
2010-03-29 , 02:58
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#21
Why is this obviously? Nokia are pushing forwards with QT which they say will allow for cross platform deployment. Would you rather they dropped this approach and developed a version for the N900? I for one would prefer they focused on software which can be deployed across multiple devices as this will guarantee the future of the software...

I dont think Nokia should subsidize sygic, you are free to purchase any software you want if you want to buy it. That fact that Sygic is available for sale is great! Not everything should be free... While I am dissapointed in Ovi Maps 1 (I used Ovi Maps 3 on symbian previously) on the N900 it is functional and is better than nothing and it actually works pretty well!

I would rather have as many 3rd party developers writing software for devices and the only way you are going to get developers interested and working is with a revenue stream, you dont get that by giving stuff away, subsidy or not!
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galets is offline galets
2010-03-29 , 03:22
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Let me restate what I said in another thread: N900 is an expensive phone. One of the reasons I purchased it was because Nokia was giving away free Ovi Maps, working offline, with international maps, all that "free forever" bullcrap, and N900 had Ovi Maps. I may not have done exhaustive research on that matter, but nevertheless I feel that Nokia took me for a ride here. For what it's worth, they might have as well put a link to google and called it "ovi maps".

Originally Posted by jer006 View Post
Why is this obviously? Nokia are pushing forwards with QT which they say will allow for cross platform deployment. Would you rather they dropped this approach and developed a version for the N900?
I keep hearing this "We will get same Ovi maps for N900" bullcrap from their PR idiots for months already. If I haven't kept hearing this crap, I would have returned device back and enjoyed my money instead of bi##ing here. They said they will do it - go on, deliver. I don't care how. And why in the world are you asking me to make decisions for them? I wasn't the one putting out clips on youtube about how well Ovi Maps work.

Originally Posted by jer006 View Post
I for one would prefer they focused on software which can be deployed across multiple devices as this will guarantee the future of the software...
Yea, beautiful, now you are making decisions for Nokia. Why don't you leave them alone, they seem to have some management left out there, let them make their own decisions. All I want from them is deliver functional navigation system, which works at least approximately the way their youtube commercial depicts.

Originally Posted by jer006 View Post
I dont think Nokia should subsidize sygic, you are free to purchase any software you want if you want to buy it. That fact that Sygic is available for sale is great! Not everything should be free... While I am dissapointed in Ovi Maps 1 (I used Ovi Maps 3 on symbian previously) on the N900 it is functional and is better than nothing and it actually works pretty well!

I would rather have as many 3rd party developers writing software for devices and the only way you are going to get developers interested and working is with a revenue stream, you dont get that by giving stuff away, subsidy or not!
Neither I do, I never said they must subsidize sygic. Whatever they can do to deliver functional navigation now is fine with me. Maybe the best solution is to pull out a whip, and get their dev manager focus on delivering software. Maybe best to pay sygic. Maybe best to hire me, so that I write it for them - I DON'T KNOW. All I know is I payed crapload of money for device with super gay navigation and it pisses me off
 
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zwer is offline zwer
2010-03-29 , 03:49
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#23
If you are not happy, and you find the navigation a deal breaker, sell your N900 and get whatever you think will suit you, or buy the Sygic app. Whining and moaning won't get you anywhere, and certainly won't get you that god-damn important navigation.

And I see no difference between the Ovi Maps on my ex N95 and on the N900. There are several things missing, yes, but nothing crucial. Now if you expected turn-by-turn, voice navigation, that's your problem. It was never mentioned in any N900 ad or specs sheet, and it wasn't even free on those several lucky devices 'til a month ago. It wasn't even mentioned when they released free navigation, so what made you think it should be available on the N900? If somebody lied to you - you lied to yourself.
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Lazarpandar is offline Lazarpandar
2010-03-29 , 04:09
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Originally Posted by galets View Post
Well: obviously Nokia is incapable or unwilling to develop functional navigation software for N900 in-house anytime soon. I would say, if they care about their customers, they should provide N900 users with a free copy of sygig, or another usable navigation software.
Ovi maps is functional, you just have delusions of being promised something you never were.

Nokia doesn't owe us anything it hasn't promised us in some way. Was the N900 advertised as having turn by turn? No? Then your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on!
 
grumps312 is offline grumps312
2010-03-29 , 04:18
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only thing i dislike is the gps seems to be inaccurate... a block sometimes a few bloccks off. maybe its because im using wifi?
 
galets is offline galets
2010-03-29 , 04:51
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Originally Posted by zwer View Post
If you are not happy, and you find the navigation a deal breaker, sell your N900 and get whatever you think will suit you, or buy the Sygic app. Whining and moaning won't get you anywhere, and certainly won't get you that god-damn important navigation.
I very well might, and I also might not buy Nokia anymore if this is how they prefer to handle it.

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And I see no difference between the Ovi Maps on my ex N95 and on the N900. There are several things missing, yes, but nothing crucial.
Oh yea? You also don't see difference between Ovi Maps on your ex N95 and this, do you?

Originally Posted by zwer View Post
Now if you expected turn-by-turn, voice navigation, that's your problem. It was never mentioned in any N900 ad or specs sheet, and it wasn't even free on those several lucky devices 'til a month ago. It wasn't even mentioned when they released free navigation, so what made you think it should be available on the N900? If somebody lied to you - you lied to yourself.
That surely is, I thought Nokia one of those companies which would not mislead customers, and I was wrong. I should have double-checked Nokia's advertisements, which I definitely will do from now on. Or, maybe, switch to some other vendor, one which only advertises features they actually have.
 
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2010-03-29 , 05:08
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Originally Posted by galets View Post
I very well might, and I also might not buy Nokia anymore if this is how they prefer to handle it.
I don't prefer anything, I couldn't care less what will you do. I don't work for Nokia, I have no Nokia stocks, I don't live in Finland, so whether you'll buy Nokia devices or not is the least of my concerns. Whatever you choose, I won't loose anything. You on the other hand will - they do make some of the best mobile devices out there, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

Originally Posted by galets View Post
Oh yea? You also don't see difference between Ovi Maps on your ex N95 and this, do you?
My N95 has also Ovi Maps, and nothing said on that video applies to it. Actually, since Nokia bought Navteq and created the Ovi Maps I lost maps for my country, and that WAS an advertised function. There was no mention that both N900 and N95 will ever get free turn-by-turn navigation, nor was it ever promised. Out of all devices featuring Nokia/Ovi Maps only a dozen got that, as a privilege, not as a promised feature. For f. sake, N900 was released three months prior to Nokia releasing free turn-by-turn navigation, how could anyone be mislead by that. Go to the N900 product page and tell me where does it say 'featuring free turn-by-turn navigation and voice guidance' and I'll refund your N900.

Originally Posted by galets View Post
That surely is, I thought Nokia one of those companies which would not mislead customers, and I was wrong. I should have double-checked Nokia's advertisements, which I definitely will do from now on. Or, maybe, switch to some other vendor, one which only advertises features they actually have.
If somebody misleaded someone, you did that to yourself. Go, switch to some other vendor, see if I could care less.
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Lazarpandar is offline Lazarpandar
2010-03-29 , 05:40
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Originally Posted by galets View Post
Or, maybe, switch to some other vendor, one which only advertises features they actually have.

What was advertised that you aren't receiving?

I know free turn by turn was never advertised.

This has to be a troll.
 
galets is offline galets
2010-03-29 , 06:02
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Originally Posted by Lazarpandar View Post
What was advertised that you aren't receiving?

I know free turn by turn was never advertised.
As I said before, and I will repeat again for you (since you were nice enough to call me troll), and I will not repeat it anymore:

- Ovi maps were advertised for nokia smartphones
- N900 has "ovi maps" preloaded with no mentioning that this thing is just one level above command line, cannot really be used to replace actual GPS.

This to me constitutes false advertising. Not to you obviously, and not to Nokia, since they got fineprint where needed. Nevertheless, as you can see, I don't like being handled this way, and I feel being cheated. As someone noticed here already, if your device comes with microsoft word, it better not come with notepad having "microsoft word" in Help\About.

Originally Posted by Lazarpandar View Post
This has to be a troll.
of course, go ahead, take a cheap shot
 
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ossipena is offline ossipena
2010-03-29 , 06:30
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Originally Posted by galets View Post
As I said before, and I will repeat again for you (since you were nice enough to call me troll), and I will not repeat it anymore:

- Ovi maps were advertised for nokia smartphones
- N900 has "ovi maps" preloaded with no mentioning that this thing is just one level above command line, cannot really be used to replace actual GPS.

This to me constitutes false advertising. Not to you obviously, and not to Nokia, since they got fineprint where needed. Nevertheless, as you can see, I don't like being handled this way, and I feel being cheated. As someone noticed here already, if your device comes with microsoft word, it better not come with notepad having "microsoft word" in Help\About.



of course, go ahead, take a cheap shot
you should have read better. Then you would have noticed that N900 has Ovi Maps. N95 has ovi maps too, but unfortunately it is called "Maps 2.0"

http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/produ.../nokia-n95-8gb


and it has been well known that there was no voice guidance promised to n900 from nokia. only route planning.

e: a bit like ms works vs ms office. one could think that those are similar because those have about similar functions.
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