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2010-04-23
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Originally Posted by x61
1. Currently Nokia is able to and is competing in the smartphone market. There is plenty of data and articles and information for your viewing pleasure at various sites. So please read around for this. To make life a little easier for you, read comment #197.
It has been said before and I will say it again: This thread is NOT about N900 but rather if and when nokia will be able to compete in the smart-phone market. Read the link on page 1...
2. Thank you for singling out my comment when there are a lot more comments on this thread also not quite applicable to the 1st quote. I notice that you have not been able to contribute any meaningful opinion on the Thread title apart from the very deep 'This is very troubling... Hope meego is themagic'. How is MeeGo going to affect sales when it is just part of the sum of the whole?
3. If you had read a few more comments, you would have reached the conclusion that a fair number of other contributers have also mentioned the '900 in their comments. Have you addressed them as well? Just curious.
3. Correct me if I am wrong, but is the '900 not a smartphone? So, surely, speaking about it and the expectations of the end user are not relevant? At the end of the day, it is the user satisifaction and purchase which contributes to sales and such as ensures the longevity of a product among other things.
4. Open your mind a little; http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...and-nokia.html and http://www.pcworld.com/article/18806...one_sales.html - read the part about how their smartphone sales contributed towards their profit. Now doesn't this knock your comment # 56 out into orbit?
Also consider re-reading comment #197...try and educate yourself a little further.
5. Now run along little monkey.
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2010-04-23
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Originally Posted by Mengs
Ok, and by complaining on a community site will make Nokia listen to you?...
You're kidding right? the fact that the device is "mostly for developers/testers" does not equal to community driven. Your logic fails as you made those two connections in your head. Ask yourself this, if Nokia is supporting the phone the way it should be, would you be complaining "hey, why is nokia so hands on with this device? it's supposed to be community driven" and if your reaction is still the same, then I'll give you the win.
See, you're only using the argument that it's supposed to be community driven device because nokia is not really moving this device forward the way it should be!
I still see some people arguing about how it was marketed as a computer in your palms and not a phone etc etc! But even as a computer it's not working the way it's supposed to.
You guys are just repeating yourself! I argue that the phone function doesn't work, you counter that it's not supposed to be a phone but a computer. I say the computer function sucks, you tell me that it's a community driven device. It's like every single argument I have for not liking this phone, people have a counter argument ready to go. Enough already, it doesn't work as a phone, and it definitely doesn't work as a computer, and the community is not really driving this phone forward because of the lack of support from Nokia!
Just admit already that Nokia is not putting enough effort into satisfying their N900 users!
Ok lets say we ALL agree with you.. what can we do? This is a community site! But, let me tell you what we can do and what we're doing.. the people who knows how to code are doing their best by porting and creating AMAZING apps;
No MMS? Well how about fMMS
No Ovi Maps? Sygic is there.
Heck you don't like Maemo, you can go with Mer!
What I am saying is that instead of complaining.. do something.. I personally don't know how to code.. so I do test and give feedback, I do create brainstorms, because I like to see Maemo go forward, this community is seriously one of the best communities I've ever joined, because they are very helpful and they can help..
You don't see me starting posts or replying to threads saying "OMG NOKIA SUX! THEY FAIL!! Why don't they change their policies, why don't they support N900 more.." Sure I would like to have support from big companies like EA.. etc. But is it absolutely necessary? No... Maemo 5 does it's job very well! And the fact that I KNOW that Maemo 5 is a new OS, and that there will be some bugs here and there (nothing major), and I did my research on this device very well, and I know it's not, primarily, a phone.
So really, if you feel like saying that Nokia sucks.. save yourself the time and go to discussions.nokia.com, or simply yet.. Don't BUY a Nokia.. But if you like Nokia and would like to make it better then contribute to the community instead of whining, try to voice yourself on an official nokia support site...
Now do you get my point?
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2010-04-23
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#284
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no not again!!!
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2010-04-23
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I would like to point out that The iPhone doesn't compare to the N900
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2010-04-23
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Originally Posted by gryedouge
It is beyond a smartphone at this point. It is a mobile computer with phone!
Correct me if I am wrong, but is the '900 not a smartphone?. . .
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2010-04-24
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Originally Posted by gerbick
It's been doing well. Several apps now support it, including google chat and a few others. But then you don't own an N900, or bother to fact-check anything you say, which is why most people here are ignoring anything you have to say.
Last Skype update was when? How's that freedom working on bring that forward facing camera into use outside of aMSN?
It took iPhone over a year to do it's first update, before which they were the only smart phone on the market to not support MMS. They also lacked Nav apps of any sort, and banned them in their store. Did you make an account on and iBlog board and whine about that there, while not owning an iPhone? Why are you here if you don't own an N900?
Originally Posted by gerbick
I note again, you're not a customer. You don't own one. I don't expect the Catholic Church to bend to my whim, doubly so since I'm not Catholic. Most people here who have an N900 are quite happy with it. Again, why are you here?
But (maemo is lacking) for this customer.
Originally Posted by gerbick
This bug was fixed a while ago, where you needed a data connection to get a good lock quickly. I get locks in less time than it takes my TomTom to lock now, always under a minute.
I've used the N900... it locked sometimes up to 6-10 minutes while in cities - was just in Pittsburgh, it took 7 minutes while downtown.
Originally Posted by gerbick
Oh my.. let's pick one app, by a 3rd party developer, and note that it's not on a phone that was released 6 months ago, but is on one that came out 4 years ago. Never mind Fring has already said they're making an N900 version.
But, via Fring... it can receive video at least. Oh... Fring's not on the N900 yet either.
How about Google chat? Can iPhone do video in Googlechat? Didn't think so. Where's your app for that? What? Apple is blocking it? That's just too bad.
Originally Posted by gerbick
What's wrong with that is that you're here whining about it. WHY? It's one thing to own a device, be unsatisfied with it, and come to a forum to talk about it. But why are you coming here, regularly, to whine about something you don't even own, or appear to want to own?
And I'm a realist. I'm glad you enjoy your N900. Truly am happy for you.
But it's not about "seeing what I want to see"... I see some mighty big gaps that honestly... I'd rather not see. What's so wrong with that?
You don't want one. You won't buy one. Awesome. You also won't buy a Nexus. Please go over to their board and start griping about it. No need to come back here.. thanks.
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2010-04-24
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Originally Posted by T-unit
Again - this thread is NOT about iPhone and N900. Its about Nokia as a company and its strategies in the smartphone sector.
I would like to point out that The iPhone doesn't compare to the N900
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2010-04-24
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Originally Posted by woody14619
Because Gerbick comes from the perspective of a Nokia Internet tablet user and he wants the best of both worlds (the openness that the NITs provided and their hardware like screen sizes with the app and developer support that the iPhone has)
How about Google chat? Can iPhone do video in Googlechat? Didn't think so. Where's your app for that? What? Apple is blockWhat's wrong with that is that you're here whining about it. WHY? It's one thing to own a device, be unsatisfied with it, and come to a forum to talk about it. But why are you coming here, regularly, to whine about something you don't even own, or appear to want to own?
You don't want one. You won't buy one. Awesome. You also won't buy a Nexus. Please go over to their board and start griping about it. No need to come back here.. thanks.
Alot of us (as in people from the NIT side) were dissapointed with the N900. For example, the downgrade in screen size. Alot of us are also dissapointed that Nokia has yet to learn they can't solely depend on the community to provide everything.
While his arguments like the forward facing camera are sometimes off or wrong gerbick is one of the few critics of Nokia maemo (and probably meego) that I do listen too and I believe he contributes to the community by keeping people in check (opinions, idealism, the trolling, and even regulars).
He and ysss are both posters who have used other platforms and aren't perfectly happy with any of them. So I think their feedback about the strengths and weakenesses of various platforms are informative. Although I may not always agree with them.
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They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2010-04-24
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Originally Posted by woody14619
Dude, calm down - its ok for non N900 users to have an opinion and express it here. Its not as if the forum is pnly for owners to express their opinion.
It's been doing well. Several apps now support it, including google chat and a few others. But then you don't own an N900, or bother to fact-check anything you say, which is why most people here are ignoring anything you have to say.
What's wrong with that is that you're here whining about it. WHY? It's one thing to own a device, be unsatisfied with it, and come to a forum to talk about it. But why are you coming here, regularly, to whine about something you don't even own, or appear to want to own?
You don't want one. You won't buy one. Awesome. You also won't buy a Nexus. Please go over to their board and start griping about it. No need to come back here.. thanks.
Secondly this is nt really about and iPhone vs N900. Ltes not get [edantic and bring the discussion down to that level (arent their enough threads about that ?) What gerbick pointed out is more about the open and closed philosophy and what it brings to the consumer - and others have also chimed in wih good points about what all this means to Nokia as a company and its actions overall (not in respect to the N900 only).
Of course most of the examples of success and failure in features are maybe pointing to the N900 - but it goes beyond the N900 - to Meego as a strategic direction, to Nokia's overall portfolio of phones an smartphones and market sectors it plays to and most importantly to the walled garde approach vs open sourced approach and what it delivers.
One doesn't have to be an iPhone user or a N900 user to discuss the platform philosophies of these two approaches.
Lets look beyond the here and now - after all that's what the future is about.
And lets not banish or bring down people since they dont have a N900 from these forums.
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As for the N900 taking away Apple's thunder. Nokia. Nokia's greatest problem (and oddly strength up till now) was its diversity. Except now it's biting them in the *** since they have two (three but maemo is considered a dead end in the future with part of it being merged into meego) platforms to maintain. Apple has one (well they have version differences). Android has one (well again version differences). But compared to Symbian and maemo it's not two different operating systems. And unless Nokia can get there focus straight by either focusing on one platform, or provide the tools AND support for cross compatibility it's going remain this way.