egoshin | # 551 | 2010-05-03, 16:24 | Report

No, I don't want to say to people that it is perfectly fine to flash a leaked software, you can meet anything in it - it is not officially approved.

But equally, I don't want a panicking people and rumors about malicious gays behind Linux software.

Just people should understand that it is NOT official release and use it in the same way as devel-extra repository - NO warranty on quality... but some good efforts were done behind that release.

fatalsaint | # 552 | 2010-05-03, 16:26 | Report

Yes; and I've already said that we were lucky that this PR1.2 leak at least appears to be fine and I'm glad it's working for people.

However, I don't have an MD5sum of the original, and while we can get a md5 of the leak it doesn't help us much - so we can't guarantee that it's a totally unmolested release.

I also even said that it was unlikely; but that doesn't preclude the possibility. As Tex said in the other threads, I'd rather warn and be wrong than say nothing and watch the fallout. (not a direct quote, he just said something similar.)

egoshin | # 553 | 2010-05-03, 16:27 | Report

I think you may need a new reflash. The reason is - the leaked PR1.2 is an "international" version but you may want your home country one. The Over-The-Air upgrade will pull international after you flash a leaked PR1.2

abill_uk | # 554 | 2010-05-03, 16:29 | Report

@fatalsaint

Ok point taken that old shool talk and exacting talk dont mix so i will be more exacting just for you.

What you are saying and yes it is a fact that it is not reccomended people flash with un-official firmware but hey lets face it what has the maker done to even implement a small fix from Feb to now?.

You still will not admit the fact that EVERY developer for the N900 that individually designs apps end up being programmed into a device globaly by many people are in fact capable of being potentially dangerous to the OS (rootfs) and the firmware of the N900 if the progg is not written right to the device its being programmed into (N900).

Also none of the downloadable apps come with a field test attatched to them (also a trait of Nokia on there own devices before being marketed) making the possibility of damage it can cause to the OS (rootfs) and firmware potentially openly dangerous simply because developers are given the free right to develop and they never have to even consider if their work is potentially dangerous to the OS (rootfs) and complete firmware of the N900.

They are not capabale of checking so simply because of the missing device drivers and a complete disclosure of source code (including apps) once again needed for proper development on the N900.

So who checks them for install before they are listed?

Please dont tell me the developers assigned to the downloads of this community because why are N900's in many cases ranging from battery drains and eventual bricked devices going faulty?.(dont blame the USB port).

Does all that criteria come under the warranty of Nokia when a bricked device is sent in for repair?.

This community has a lot to answer for in real terms but no one will admit this thats directly involved within the community.

Free development is in my view is just not possible without complete disclosure of every single driver and developers have all source code of the firmware and of every single app etc in the N900.(potential conflicts).

So in real terms it can be said that the N900 being let out by Nokia as a hackers dream for free development without proper support and constant firmware updates on a regular basis (do people have to scream for them) is in fact a disaster.

Many many things are wrong here and i feel no one directly linked to this community is prepared to even consider this let alone admit it.

egoshin | # 555 | 2010-05-03, 16:29 | Report

(just for message size)

fatalsaint | # 556 | 2010-05-03, 16:37 | Report

Ok, this is a debate I can participate in abill_uk.

I think you are misunderstanding something fundamental. I'm not going to quote and dissect your post you're just going to have to understand where these arguments fit.

There is three repositories that are tied to this community. There is the Extras, the Extras-Testing, and the Extras-Devel.

Inside Extras all apps should be optified and "written right to the device its being programmed into (N900)." Now yes, you will see a change to rootfs on any app, even my pypianobar; because the Linux System itself has a package management system that keeps track of installed packages and their dependencies. We're talking about a tiny flat-file database here which is just enough to change a sha1/md5 checksum of the filesystem but not enough to get paranoid about.

The only time a package can make it into Extras is after having spent 10 days and received 10 votes in Extras-Testing. There is currently being stood up an additional method of "Super Testers" that will run an app through an intensive test cycle, and after 3 approvals from three different Super Testers, as well as after 20 days in the testing repository - then it can be promoted without the 10 vote requirement.

Extras-Testing, as the name implies, is for testing. It is made clear every time you see a post on how to enable testing and devel repositories (at least it should be on every post) a warning telling you that, as the name implies (because apparently naming it Testing and Devel isn't enough for people) - THIS SOFTWARE HAS NOT BEEN TESTED.

Now yes, there has been many people needing to reflash their device because of improperly coded software in the devel repository. It is expected that if you turn that repository on; you are a developer (or at the very minimum don't mind reflashing).

I would like to see a single person that filled their roofts using only Extras installed software. None come to my mind currently, but perhaps I'm wrong and you could be so kind as to provide me the link to the thread of the normal, every day joe user, that did not enable Devel or Testing - that broke their device from improperly coded software.

There *is* a stamp of approval on software in Extras: That stamp is you *know* at least 10 people used it successfully for at least 10 days with no problems and that it is optified.

Texrat | # 557 | 2010-05-03, 16:39 | Report

This is not iPhone development.

Nokia is working to bring open source to maintream mobile devices. This is not for everyone. Those unwilling to live in this world should stick to other, safer products.

Really, abill_uk, that's it. You can protest that until the end of time and the protest will be a waste of wind.

imperiallight | # 558 | 2010-05-03, 16:45 | Report

No bluetooth fully working mouse support??

Texrat | # 559 | 2010-05-03, 16:48 | Report

No microwave cooking capability, either. Now they're saying PR1.3.

Laughingstok | # 560 | 2010-05-03, 16:53 | Report

PR1.3 also comes with the "Wingman" app.. it basically helps you pick up chicks at bars by getting the fat chicks enthralled with your N900 leaving the good lookin ones for you to spit game at.

Latest details is the app simply shows pictures of fried chicken.