I swallowed the "no OS2007 on 770" eventually. I understood why Fremantle wasn't ported to the N8x0. Hell, I even understand why PR1.2 isn't available yet. And actually I don't care about Flash at all, I hate it. But if the N900 could run 10.1 technically and they don't include it in a future upgrade, they better have a very good excuse for that.
Indeed.
I would also like to know, if we don't get Flash 10.1, who is to blame - Nokia or Adobe. And what are the reasons.
If there is a good reason, fine. Even if it's a business decision - I can live with it. But what I won't be fine with is if we don't get any explanation from Nokia. They owe us at least that. No, there was no false marketing. But there were realistic expectations and they should show good will and go out in public with a reason - whatever it may be.
I still think something is ridiculous with it being the first device presented on Adobe's video.
Although, it wouldn't be Nokia that got hit for the False Advertising if the N900 does not get flash: It would be Adobe, as they are the ones that showed 10.1 on the N900 originally. Nokia, AFAIK, hasn't said **** about it.
What would flash10 on the N900 do? It would please existing users..
Would it attract new users? very very few.. far fewer than would be attracted to a new phone, not a 6 month old one.
Would it cost money? of course.. they'd have to work with adobe.. It would cost time and money.. using engineers that are already thin on the ground, Meego is where they're at..
Remember, work is put into a project to attract sales.. not to keep customers.. the N97 proved that.. jeez *shudder*.. and the N900 is going to look REALLY old when the N8 appears with all the nice maps and PC support and flash and stuff that works and is finished
(whether or not it actually works is a different matter.. many thought the n97 would work... but it was pretty ropey for 6 months)
Ovi Maps and flash 10?? I doubt we'll see it on the N900..
Pleasing existing customers just isn't worth their time... there's more to be won with Meego..
What would flash10 on the N900 do? It would please existing users..
If nothing else it would show that consumers were right to invest in a Nokia product and expect some form of commitment from Nokia. Ever since the MeeGo announcement, public communication from Nokia in general (in particular, Bugzilla) has dropped close to zero (excluding all the "What shall we do with MeeGo?" discussion). Who has a clue what is going on with Maemo or even PR1.2 anymore?
Unfortunately this is all pretty typical behaviour - shove one OS out the door followed by lots of hoorah, then change tack and drop that OS mid stream and go into radio silence for another 9 months leaving existing device owners up a river without a paddle... it's fecking annoying, but utterly predictable.
I'd love to see Flash 10.1 on Maemo 5/N900, but judging by the (non existent) level of public discussion from Nokia with regard to Maemo 5 it's already a dead platform so I'll be amazed if any major upgrades like that appear in future. Qt is all we can expect, assuming PR1.2 ever arrives.
PR1.2 will definitely arrive.. I wouldn't be surprised if we had one may be two more PR releases, but we're not going to see much else
Remembering the days of the 770, although it got "hacker editions" of future OSes, the closed "good bits" were left out.. Why, because the right/license to use these new good bits weren't included in the original cost, so you're not entitled to use them.
Flash 10 is going to be the same.
I love Maemo, and I'm certain to buy a Meego device when it eventually arrives.. but I seriously gave up wishing nokia would fix the "seriously, it doesn't do xxxx" problems in any of their devices...
The fact they still advertise sat nav stuff on the N900.. (and list the BH-905 headphones as compatible accessories) is not because they ever plan to sort these things, its because the hint sells..
Cynical I know.. but I've been a Nokia customer a very long time.. and for all their faults, I doubt I'll go anywhere..
You're right.. it is ironic that a company that specialises in communications devices can be so mute!! but I think that is either because they don't have a firm answer and don't want to disappoint when a change in direction happens later... or they know the public won't like the answers they seek..
imagine..
Nokia Press release 2010-05-21
Nokia is working with adobe to bring flash 10 to the Meego platform and Symbian^4 platform for new devices H2 2010.
One small riot later..
The thing that surprises me most is how hopeful people are.. They've been doing this type of thing a long time.. its core to their business practises!!
This all sounds negative, but really.. they sell a million phones a day.. they don't care..and the majority of their customers don't either..
The thing is, loosing a customer to samsung, motorola, sony ericsson because they have a shiner "Feature phone" is one thing.. the customer is likely to come back..
but losing a customer to google, rim, palm or apple.. that's a sink.. people don't come back because the long term support and immediate satisfaction is higher..
throwing the customer base a bone like sat nav (a feature that is rubbed in our faces with consistent tv and other media advertising) flash 10, a working ovi store, pc support.. the stuff other nokia customers get to enjoy would counter that..
I think they're just hoping to get us on the rebound..
Seems like Nokia is putting all the goodies on Meego. N900 customers are as such small so they dont reaaly care. the new platform is where they will invest in.
On some days, it's small things like this that reconfirm that Maemo just is really no bigger than this forum.
Maemo is pretty much dead in Nokia's eyes. Besides whatever remaining firmware updates they plan to push, all efforts are on the much bigger Meego. Whether that means the N900 is dead with it, who knows
I sense an almost-organized revolt against Nokia originating who knows where. Maybe it's paranoia, but when someone asked whether he should buy the N900 now, IMMEDIATELY four or five messages were posted saying he shouldn't buy one at all. Several of them were very short, and from new users.
If I was Nokia and thought the Internet affected sales, this kind of apparent campaign would bother me If real Nokia users are getting edgy, such a campaign could be effective. If real Nokia users are happy, their attitude would drown out such a campaign.
8 Months later and no release. We already know that it won't be included in PR 1.2, whenever that is released.
Nokia seems to be increasingly trailing the pack with development initiatives, not just in terms of their own internal development of features, but in terms of partnerships with other companies and 3rd party application development as well. Nokia needs to be first out the gate and stay ahead of the pack if they want to win new customers and they need to support existing users/devices at the same level of ongoing support as delivered by Apple and Android if they want to stand a chance in hell of getting repeat purchases from their existing customer base.
I've stayed with Nokia through 4 devices, because every Maemo device has, at time of release, delivered the nearest thing to a full desktop Internet experience in a device that could fit in my pocket. At this point, I am really not confident that this will be true when the first Meego devices come to market and I have been burned enough by the level of post-sale support that Nokia (doesn't) provide that I am highly unlikely to purchase anything from Nokia again.
Nokia actions speak louder than their (lack of) words. At this point, they are ceeding the high end smartphone race and are being relegated to the high-volume, low profit margin 3rd world markets. I can't see that being a desirable thing or a position with longterm stability, especially given the number of very hungry cell phone makers in China. Maybe in 20 years Nokia will have completed it degeneration and will be making making paper again.
