wmarone | # 231 | 2010-07-20, 05:26 | Report

Well, if Nokia can deliver an experience that equals or surpasses Android, then it's likely. If even one other handset vendor picks up on it, then who knows.

True. But I was speaking of that as an advantage, possibly one that draws in other handset vendors.

That's just the way of the industry. We went from ARMv6 to ARMv7 all over in less than a year.

Locked down kernel. If anything using eFuse to disable the phone is simply a sad use of what appears to be an otherwise interesting technology.

Bada would simply have further segmented the market, and it's not ideal for a high end handset. It'll be competing with S60 almost exclusively.

Anyone who wants an OS that is backed by a neutral party. On top of that, internally developing any OS is expensive and puts you way beyond your scope.

BatPenguin | # 232 | 2010-07-20, 07:04 | Report

I just don't see how anybody can really claim that Meego is backed by a "neutral party". It's backed by Nokia and Intel, what is so neutral about that? Meego is Nokia and Intel's baby, Android is Google's. Yes, yes, Linux Foundation this and that -- is the Linux foundation employing the developers any more than the Open Handset Allience is for Android? Imagining Meego as some champion of freedom is just silly nonsense. It's all about the companies behind the associations, those who employ the developers. Maybe you prefer Nokia to Google but it's hardly "neutral".

Also, OPK is apparently finally on his way out of Nokia (WSJ reported, just saw the news on Finnish sites, google yourself), and Nokia has been interviewing at least some American CEOs for the job. If they pick an American for the job and decide to concentrate on the US market, which that would seem to imply, it's not too far-fetched to see Android phones from Nokia sometime pretty soon or other very large re-arrangements, maybe a Windows phone with Microsoft. Just stick the Ovi stuff on Android/Windows and roll with it while desperately trying to build up Symbian4/Meego, if they decide to keep both. A new CEO simply cannot avoid making big changes. Since S60 is already on its way down to featurephones it doesn't really leave a lot of options for the short-term. Meego's not ready for phones and even if they manage to push out another beta device before the end of the year, it probably won't really be ready for challenging the competition much sooner than Symbian4.

danramos | # 233 | 2010-07-20, 09:49 | Report

Ah yes.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.

Yeah, I don't think that would go over very well at all. Especially when they go to look at what it can do and whether you can find the same type of useful apps (Yelp, Facebook, Sky Maps, Google Goggles, Google Navigation, etc.)

I mean.. heh.. Ovi Maps isn't going to knock their socks off.

gerbick | # 234 | 2010-07-20, 12:42 | Report

I just wanted to take the time to say a very public thanks to wmarone for sharing his views in a very clear, open manner with me. I don't think we oppose each other as much as we just have different views and you've always spoken your side without having to dive into "you're a troll" or other silly rhetoric - which is rather easy to fall into.

attila77 | # 235 | 2010-07-20, 13:04 | Report

Obviously SOMEONE has to back it, and it's Nokia's and Intel's job to kickstart. The fully open phase can start only once the foundations are set up and people see something enticing, and then they can really embark on infiltrating the MeeGo pyramid. That's when it will, at least in theory, become truly neutral and set off to conquer the world. The Linux Foundation and all that stuff is there to minimize the fears of rug-pulling - Google is way more instrumental in Android/OHA. That's the idea, anyway, we'll see how things turn out

smoku | # 236 | 2010-07-20, 13:10 | Report

Don't ask what the community can do for you.
Ask what you can do for the community.

Then, you'll understand.

smoku | # 237 | 2010-07-20, 13:14 | Report

You don't have to sign your firstborn to Google.
Just take the code and put it on your hardware.

Laughing Man | # 238 | 2010-07-20, 13:27 | Report

I don't think your even required to use Google's services. I think the problem with Cyanogen was they were re-destributing ROMS with Google's services already baked in.

ColonelKilkenny | # 239 | 2010-07-20, 13:33 | Report

It is as neutral as it can be. No code allowed unless it's upstream (and upstream isn't controlled by Nokia or Intel) etc.

Choosing a new CEO, switching to Android, developing apps that run on Dalvik, hiring / training the people to do the actual coding (or transferring Qt to Android), developing new phones from the scratch (I doubt they can just decide to switch OS on a work-in-progress phone...), train all QA, support, sales, ... , marketing people for the new platform, etc. etc. etc. before Symbian 4 is ready for devices?

If Nokia decides now to produce one flagship Android device it's probably released about the same time Symbian^7 is ready or something like that

+ Switching to Android now would be a total and utter sign of total failure. Android train has already left the station and Nokia didn't want to ride it.

And we all know that MeeGo will be much more awesome than Android

smoku | # 240 | 2010-07-20, 13:35 | Report

I'm talking about private code branches.
I guess NITdroid folks could tel you some stories about porting Android to new hardware without access to those.