Yabba | # 131 | 2010-09-16, 20:48 | Report

Yes, you're right, the experts of design should know Finland, but what about common peoples? Of course Alvar Aalto and other guys (I don't remember their name) were very famous at their time, and they designed famous buildings and stuff around the world. Then we have Marimekko, Iittala and few other companies with well known design here at Finland. Problem is, that most of the normal non-Finn people who knows them, didn't automatically connect them to the Finland and in fact, they don't even care where they are from, this is the sad truth. Those who knows about that this is designed by some Finnish guy are usually experts, not the common people.

In the other hand, in Finland we don't know the great designers from other countries. Example, I don't know who designed our salt 'n' pepper mills, except that they are The Design from USA (we got them as a wedding gift, from wifes "yankee" cousins). Other example, many people in the world has heard about Linux and maybe used it too, but how many of those really knows this well known fact that Linus Torvalds is from Finland and everything started here?

BTW, most of the well known buldings in central of Helsinki are designed by foreign designers, not the Finnish ones

And yes, I'm Finn and I'm glad that we finally get some foreign knowledge to the top of Nokia, maybe this fresh air will blow some speed in those rusty wheels of the Giant, maybe this really means the change. Of course it is sad that Anssi decide to leave, but I don't think this is because non-meego and non-symbian future (Nokia had used way too much money for both of them to leave them out now), I think it is just because they didn't give him that CEO's post, which in Finnish way of thinking should belonged to him. But all good to him and hopefully he will find something nice to do and maybe something to shake the world too.

slender | # 132 | 2010-09-16, 21:19 | Report

Common people know this and that. Who are common people?

My posts were first to millhouse who seemed to be interested in design and tried to say some generalisations about finnish desing. Of course I thought that to before you say any general statements you have to have some insight on subject. At least in my world.

Milhouse | # 133 | 2010-09-16, 21:32 | Report

No doubt being located in Finland you are more aware of Finnish design and Finnish designers, but outside of Finland - not so much. In the UK, there is far more discussion of Spanish, Japanese, British, American etc. designers or architects - but no Finns that I can recall from recent memory. Hence my relative ignorance of Finnish designers.

slender | # 134 | 2010-09-16, 21:41 | Report

So be happy, you have just learned some very basics of architectural design history of recent history. Next time when you try making vagues statements be very careful.

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Benson | # 135 | 2010-09-16, 22:45 | Report

Yeah, new ones with more performance and similar or only slightly enhanced power envelope. More computage/watt? Sure. But without less watts, it's still going to run out of juice.

And my apologies for interrupting the hilarious flamewars of nationalism, architecture, racism, design, and "banned in Europe!" -- do continue. Oh, and can anyone comment on how this relates to India?

fms | # 136 | 2010-09-17, 05:17 | Report

As I have said before, new ones are being developed as we speak. You simply do not know what Atom SoC specs will be in a year from now.

Benson | # 137 | 2010-09-17, 05:52 | Report

Fair enough. I predict the Nokia device wins, because it will come with 4GB of RAM integrated in the SoC; can't argue based on present specs, or the trends of the last few months, because you simply do not know what TI SoC specs will be in a year from now. Magical ponies from Mars could invade the chip fabs at any time!

ysss | # 138 | 2010-09-17, 05:53 | Report

ok. Let me write a rant against India's architecture. Please excuse any inaccuracies or mistakes, because I've never actually studied it nor even care about it. But I've read a LOT about it and I have higher than average cognitive/reasoning abilities.
Take it or leave it.

ossipena | # 139 | 2010-09-17, 06:07 | Report

there, I fixed it to be less fud (Fckd Up stuff from Danramos)

JulmaHerra | # 140 | 2010-09-17, 06:38 | Report

Yep, those same analysts seem to think that Nokia should ditch Symbian and Meego and start building Android phones like others do. Problem is that most of those analysts seem to look at the issue from strictly US market point of view, which is not the whole picture. If Nokia is successful in most of other markets, they think that everything should be changed only to satisfy their view of US markets and effectively disregard everything else. This is why I take most of their analysis with grain (or ton) of salt.

Personally I don't care where the new CEO comes from. I only want Nokia to succeed (which is quite natural for stock holder), stay independent and keep their HQ in Finland. Elop seems to be a safe bet, I just hope he's capable of doing right things. If not, well... fortunately there won't be emotional barriers keeping from booting him out.