e-yes | # 91 | 2010-11-07, 00:40 | Report

Little improvement for u-boot: show "Hit any key for autoboot" only if keyboard is open. Otherwise it boots default (bundled along with u-boot) kernel.

http://downloads.nitdroid.com/e-yes/u-boot.bin
http://downloads.nitdroid.com/e-yes/...w_action.patch

Dirty hack... forget everything about u-boot, didn't used it for couple years.

Mentalist Traceur | # 92 | 2010-11-07, 01:04 | Report

Alright, installed power-kernel-settings, had to sit there dying a little inside as the power kernel flashed, then flashed it again right after with the power41d from Matan's repo... With any luck, the automatic install by Kernel Power Flasher doesn't actually sync, thereby avoiding the extra layer of writes. Rebooted, full range of FMTX frequencies kept, everything else seems to have been kept, including my /etc/init.d/rcS modifications. Don't remember what else I need to test, if anything, but everything seems to be there. Life is good.

e-yes: Sorry I didn't reply to your previous inquiry, but it's way out of my league. What you just posted (your uboot hack) sounds pretty neat, but doesn't this mean it essentially limits it to two options? Either it auto boots the bundled kernel, or you press any key, and it boots the second one? Sounds like this way there's no opportunity to type in a command to boot a third kernel, if you have one. If I'm wrong by all means correct me, because it's possible I didn't understand what you meant.

ahynes1 | # 93 | 2010-11-07, 01:25 | Report

Well, this is frustrating. Today, when I started trying a few more attempts at using uboot, it isn't recognizing mmc at all.

e.g.

mmc init
returns

No MMC card found.

Any variant of fatload mmc n:n returns
Unable to use mmc n:n for fatload

Any ideas?

As to a uBoot/multiboot mashup, that sounds really nice. I like the menu from Multiboot. What would be really nice would be if I could use multiboot and for each menu option specify which uImage to boot and parameters to use with that.

RobbieThe1st | # 94 | 2010-11-07, 01:29 | Report

I haven't read -everything-, but before I install this:
Is there a way to create a boot option that launches a shell-script with the rootfs mounted? I'm looking for a way to make BackupMenu compatible with U-boot.
Also, can I use a shell-script to start the various OS's? I'd like to see about making a GRUB-style boot menu.

Mentalist Traceur | # 95 | 2010-11-07, 01:53 | Report

One, I want to officially call whatever **** thought "babbling" was a good tag to mark this thread with a dick. Completely assinine, not-intelligent-enough-to-realize-how-anti-helpful-to-the-forum-tags-like-that-are dick. This is exactly why the forum search returns only half of the threads that actually have useful content. I would like to have every tag be linked to the forum member/moderator/whatever that made the tag. And ideally some way we could call out people on shitty tags.

This thread has a very clear bit of instruction on a few things. And yet some obviously-self-righteous know-it-all **** decided it should be all called babbling.

*Sigh*

RobbieThe1st: I am pretty sure you can compile uboot with various environment variables. Like "run noloboot" is a variable that launches the kernel attached to uboot in these packagings of uboot. I suspect that a uboot version could be compiled with "run backupmenu" or whatever to execute backupmenu...

I have not yet had the time to look up documentation on uboot in enough detail to figure out if uboot lets you set such variables from outside it or from inside the uboot interface, and have them be remembered later.

I know it has SOME write-to-flash-memory function, but I don't know how dangerously low-level it is.

In the meantime, thank you in general for looking into this. It's appreciated.

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Re: stupid tags: [baby talk]Who's a a mature tag setter? Who's a mature tag setter? You are! Coochie coochie coo! Yes you are! Yes you are! Coochie coo! Yes you are![/baby talk]. Good job. Go pat yourself on the back.

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hawaii | # 96 | 2010-11-07, 02:49 | Report

If you don't know the answer to the technical questions, why are you responding? It's clutter and useless. Your posts go on ridiculous tangents that are irrelevant to the topic.

Whoever tagged the thread is spot on, sorry to say. Now you've got me in a thread, discussing things are are meaningless to the thread. Awesome stuff dude.

Mentalist Traceur | # 97 | 2010-11-07, 04:39 | Report

This is a reply to hawaii only. If you're not interested in reading that, feed free to skip this post.

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You know, I'm fine with you not liking my questions. You already made it clear enough that you think I'm an idiot for asking. (Not literally idiot, you made it clear that you feel some vague negativity towards me asking - what you actually label that on your end, you have not indicated.) I can also understand why someone thought that my posts, or perhaps someone else's too, but I'm assuming mine mainly, are blabbering. That's okay. Of course, I still think your kind poisons this forum. You seem to be of the impression that if someone doesn't know something, they should view the entirety of written human knowledge before asking. I would love to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't consciously hold that view, but that's how you seem to act. But the point is, it's okay in that that's not what my issue is with the "blabbering" tag. Indeed, my issue has more to do with the lack of any other tag than "blabbering" (and now also "more blabbering"). You can throw in "blabbering", someone could've tagged this with "Mentalist Traceur being a whiny *****", and while it would certainly seem to me to be a misguided statement, and would've probably angered me, it wouldn't in itself be an issue, really. What I have as an issue is that the only tags put in are completely unproductive ones.

Now maybe I don't fully understand the function of tags. Maybe I don't fully understand the role they play in the forum search function (I did run a bunch of searches just now, because I'm actually willing to consider that I may have been wrong - and I do admit that most of the searches that could lead you to this thread's useful information actually do lead to it. Maybe there's some advanced search using the tags only that I haven't found due to lack of looking - other than the tag cloud at the bottom of such pages). So at this stage I'm actually of the opinion that my anger at it being detrimental to the search functionality, and by extension users finding useful info, may have been slightly premature. I still think it's simply narrow minded to tag the thread blabbering when there IS useful information around, and a lot, but okay. Whatever. But really, someone can't tag this with "Matan"/"power kernel"/"uboot"/"u-boot"/"power41"/etc? No? That's too actually relevant to the thread?

I replied to a couple of posts that had technical questions - some where speculation based on what little I knew, some were educated guesses, and some were, admittedly, not relevant. But I personally think it's better to throw in a "sorry, can't answer your question" in a post than to completely ignore the poster. It feels more human and personally, I'd rather see that on a forum than have someone not reply and not know if they're ignoring me because they don't feel like answering me, or they're just not saying something because they don't know. And as far as I remember, I didn't make a single post that was just completely "I don't know, sorry" in this thread. It was always along with something else, which I thought was relevant enough to post.

As for wild tangents, the topic was uboot in devel. Uboot which is attached to stock kernel. Is there a uboot with power kernel, with PR1.3 patches? Yes, Matan has it. Oh, well, here's some questions people without technical knowledge or other communication with Matan might not know, so that when they get answered, those answers are public, which means that at least a small fragment of the public will know the answer in the future and not have to reask it. Gee, what did I ask that was so irrelevant? How to acquire fiasco-flasher, what to run if you don't have fiasco-flasher, is your [name of file for a modified nokia binary] different than MohammadAG's [same modified binary name], what's musb, etc? Really, which one of those questions, by any practically useful understanding of 'relevancy', is a wild tangent? If Matan's Power Kernel + PR1.3 + UBoot is relevant, so are those questions, because unlike your unrealistic f'ed up expectations, I know for a fact there's plenty of people who didn't know the answers to those questions. There's one post I actually remember that was truly 'clutter' - "*Sigh* two more writes to NAND, here I come" or whatever I wrote. Oh no, I allowed myself to express myself in a manner befitting casual conversation on a forum? How bastardly of me?

And that's enough that this entire thread is tagged blabber? Really? Anyone capable of viewing this ENTIRE thread as ONLY blabber either doesn't understand the nature of useful information (useful to the typical person, not you ivory-tower Linux know-it-all types), or didn't read enough of the thread. But since you obviously didn't see it the first time, I'll break it down:

Matan links to his repository, saying he has UBoot+Power Kernel+PR1.3 patches:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=15
Matan tells peopleabout a small bug in the uboot devel package this thread is about - and he says his is configurable, unlike the package in devel was at the time:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...3&postcount=18
Lunat mentions his fix for uboot that fixed the ext2 - at least for him (yeah, it wasn't useful to me because I didn't get the technicalities, but at least I can understand why it may be useful):
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=19
I first state how to do onboard flashing without fiasco-flasher - which I KNOW was helpful and/or useful, because one, it's been thanked, and two, I've ran into a bunch of people who didn't know how to do it since then in other threads, and three, Matan ended up including it in the instructions on his link posted earlier, so me talking about it presumably helped indicate that there were people who didn't have or know how to get fiasco-flasher (and I personally think me telling that dude who asked what the theme was that it was the Marina theme was helpful too. Not technically 'relevant', but helpful, and I'd rather see a forum that's helpful than a forum that's literally strictly relevancy controlled.):
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...6&postcount=31
Xopher reports that the N900 onboard flasher utility couldn't load the kernel without flashing, at least according to his test:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=39
Lunat figuring out one of the ways to get rid of uboot (as it was figured out just doing the advised apt-get command didn't actually get rid of uboot). Someone else later figured out you could flash power kernel from repos over this one, and then run that uninstalled to go back to stock, but that wasn't known at the time, and some might prefer this method anyway:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=49
lma reports some tests with the N8x0s (relevant by your restrictive definition, probably no; relevant enough to warrant going in a uboot thread, I'd say yes; useful in general, yes):
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=63
Matan announces update to the uboot+kernel part of his repository. Even if there was a more relevant place to put this, because the initial uboot+power-kernel+PR1.3 fixes is relevant, so is this:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=71
This guy's post may not have been directly relevant, but one, it pointed to a MeeGo bug number that could have useful ideas for people intending to work with MeeGo and NITDroid on the same SD card, and it brought up some questions, the answers for which benefit pretty much everyone interested in multibooting on their N900s with uboot:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=76
Lunat giving some useful replies to the previous post, and by extension helping not just the person asking, but anyone else with similar questions (which in turn are relevant to uboot):
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...5&postcount=77
Matan explaining the musb 'unfix' from PR1.3. Please, do point me to a single other location the musb thing is explained - other than perhaps in some bug in the bugzilla, and the list that shows what bugs have been fixed by the week from which PR1.3 was compiled? And then tell me how many talk.maemo.org users know how to find that on the spot, let alone remember if it was mentioned there at all in order to know to look. And of course he answers the question about what the difference between his fmtx module fix was vs. MohammadAG's was. Which, again, not necessarily "relevant", but very helpful given that this is the thread where Matan's kernel patches are being discussed.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=80
NITDroid developer's posts, all of which are relevant to some degree. One discusses intention re: NITDroid+uboot support, another brings up md command bug, which I wasn't able to answer, but now people better than me will look up (and I will when I next have to reboot my N900 after reading enough uboot documentation to be of any use), and he posted his own uboot patch/"hack":
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...5&postcount=84
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...4&postcount=85
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=91
Me letting people know that my power kernel reflash, then reflash to power41d, worked, and kept all the files I was concerned about. Oh no, it's not useful because somewhere frak-knows-where there's already enough information for the sufficiently savvy to know that this would've happened. This is why I have such hostility towards your attitude. Your earlier "are you serious" thing and viewing my posts as "wild tangents" seem to suggest you seriously can't see the use in something like this. It's pathetically self-biased to think that this knowledge isn't useful to the less knowledgeable. And it's for sure not commonly available:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=92
And I'll admit I've only skimmed the last few pages of the backupmenu thread, but I just looked over the last two pages, and he doesn't seem to say this there, so RobbieThe1st's statement that he's trying to create a uboot compatible backupmenu is useful, as are his shellscript questions, because they encourage other people to look into it:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=92
And this is NOT counting repeats, or a couple of other things I thought were or could have been useful, such as me answering some questions for another poster that were technically answered, and I thought were self-apparent, but obviously weren't self apparent to him, or he wouldn't have needed to ask.

So, sir, no, the person who felt the only tag appropriate for this thread was "blabbering" was not spot on. Far from it. Even if any of what's said in here can rightly be called true blabbering, and even IF the majority of mine and possibly others' posts are sufficiently tangential to be off-topic and useless (and any reasonable consideration of relevancy, I think, would balk at that), this thread is still not only blabbering. There's a rather large amount of useful content. Most of it may not be from me, and I'm happy to admit that, but it's there. And it does no good to this forum for threads to get tags which only serve the amusement of the arrogantly knowledgeable.

And on a closing note, if you truly thought discussing this was meaningless, you wouldn't have posted. I know I posted this large 'rant' because I think it actually is important, for the forum and this community as a whole. More so than staying strictly on topic. But you, either you thought it was important enough to voice your disagreement, or you just willingly partook in what you sincerely believed to be meaningless. But either way, I didn't get you to do it.

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frostbyte | # 98 | 2010-11-07, 05:02 | Report

you had me at 'hello'

Matan | # 99 | 2010-11-07, 11:46 | Report

Did you leave maemo by reboot?

I find that if I reboot, mmc1 is not recognized, if I power off, and then power on with the power key, mmc1 is recognized.

mmc2 is even more problematic. It appears to work once after maemo, but If I boot from u-boot (by the command reset, or letting the watchdog boot), it won't recognize it again.

lunat | # 100 | 2010-11-07, 12:36 | Report

http://www.denx.de/wiki/DULG/UBootScripts
http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/UBootStandalone
and look for working examples from other phones.

edit:
hint: boot.scr +ali took the template from beagleboard so you might look there as well.(imho he changed only the nand into onenand in the template and a lot in the backend, keyboard and driverstuff, to make it work )

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