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mikecomputing | # 71 | 2010-12-21, 22:09 | Report

You have too have alot more good reason nokia wouldnt go winmobile. Bussiness is not always working the way you and me and others here want it too... Infact both microsoft and nokia could win on this in the short run. And some stupid leadeships could decide to think shortly

What Nokia really need is to beleive in themself and move forward with new stuff. atm only good with nokia is maemo5/maemo6, n900 and qt/qtquick the rest of the nokia seems to be a bigjoke

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sjgadsby | # 72 | 2010-12-21, 22:10 | Report

The thread "Windows mobile on Nokia smartphones?End of meego?End of Nokia !?" (37 posts) has been merged into this thread.

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danramos | # 73 | 2010-12-21, 22:19 | Report

Originally Posted by M00NB34M View Post

Meh ill eat my own dick and balls if this happens!!

P.s. I know its WinPhone7, im just feeling lazy :P

You realize that we'll remember this, right? I hope you have an alternate login ready for that day.

Dave999 | # 74 | 2010-12-21, 22:22 | Report

I will continue with the wild speculations until nokia talking or presenting N9. I wouldn't be supriced if N9 running Win 7

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theonelaw | # 75 | 2010-12-21, 22:36 | Report

Originally Posted by M00NB34M View Post

I hate to ruin everyones parade, but this is NEVER going to happen!!

If Nokia didn't incorporate Android, which is MUCH more mature than WinMo, more apps, and...well, everyone knows it puts Symbian to shame. Why in the world would Nokia shove WinMo7 on their devices? Just makes NO sense at all!

But the best predictor of future behaviour is history.

How many times has Nokia management already done things that
make NO sense at all ?

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ndi | # 76 | 2010-12-22, 11:38 | Report

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

Opinion.

Agreed, in principle.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

Why go with WP7 when doing so would marginalize all of your other work, especially one you're developing from the ground up? The same would happen if they went with Android. The US press would especially hype that, while I suspect that they will deliberately be mum if Nokia releases a MeeGo based device.

If what you are deveoping fails, and it's far from callin it one way or another, it's good to have alternatives. It's understandable that the alternative is less that desirable.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

Persistent poor behavior in the market deserves punishment, not reward.

That was my point, it's not persistent. It's not persistently bad, for one, and it's persistently good for anyone who understands the release cycle and does their homework.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

You know, the reason that more than a few people stick around here and try to do things while everyone else just buys a new device that's locked down, Like Good Consumers Do. Or does my not choosing an iOS device mean I'm an idiot? Is that what you are trying to imply?

a) I believe the reson people try to make something of what they have is partly because they already bought the device and because RIGHT NOW there is no real alternative to N900. But some are getting close.

b) You can't really belive I'd imply idiocy on behalf of a single choice. What I'm implying is that many people here exhibit loyalty. Loyalty is good and I actually understood it when Maemo had a future. Now, not so much. What I said is that while a good idea and a noble enterprise, I am not loyal enough to Maemo/MeeGo/Linux to not switch if the grass is greener. Also, open source is not incompatible with closed OSs in MS class. My Firefox browses my Apache just fine, getting its Postgres data over OpenSSH. There is nothing W7 is keeping me from.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

They aren't a package deal, if they were you wouldn't be charged for them.

I was referring to Nokia's software and Maemo.

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

I hope this isn't where the PC market is going. I'd hate to have to buy my PC from my ISP, who preload it with an OS that treats me like the enemy.

Oh come now. I never bought a PC, ever. Nor did anything come preloaded. What I ment was, of course, the percentages we see now. That is, Windows might still have a good future, with Linux behind it and iOS last unless they get a clue (say what you will they ARE improving. Not for me, though.)

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

I have no interest in "experiencing" an OS that (...)

But then you don't know what you refuse, now do you? Do you think that someone that used KDE for 20 minutes has any idea about Linux, OSS or administration?

And, WM7 does break compatibility because of a redesign.

Originally Posted by Rob1n View Post

I think his point is that WM7 is copying an awful lot from iOS - walled garden, limited interfaces for 3rd party applications, no multitasking, etc. Those limitations are why many people have dismissed the iPhone as an option.

Said it before, linked it, nobody cares. WM7 is multitasking just fine. They have imposed limits on what apps can be muktitasked by default because WM7 is BETA. Until they can be assured that multitasking goes smooth, it's locked down. It's a temporary issue, not a design choice.

Plus, even if a pertnership is signed, by the time the true devices roll it will be way out of beta. Might even be not 7.0

Originally Posted by Rob1n View Post

I'd certainly agree with you that backward compatibility has been Microsoft's strong point - the downside is that it's left a horrendously complicated OS stuffed with legacy code which nobody understands.

a) W7 no longer has all that baggage, some has been moved, some has been improved. Others have been completely emulated, thus removing it from the current build.

b) Complicated, yes. Nobody understands, no. Windows backwards compatibility layer, in a large percentage, consists of mechanisms very similar to chroot. Far, far from incomprehensible. Another par of it, the solution to app dll hell is flat storage based on version numbers, much like dependencies on Linux have the build bumber in them. It's really quite clean. Except you don't manually chroot every time, it's partly automated.

But, familiar will always beat the unfamiliar and simply renaming a tried and true mechanism will generate resistance. Add an MS logo and it's downright evil.

Windows is really very similar to Linux, if you take the time to learn the ropes. Newer server version can be administered entirely over CLI and SSH. What more do you want, a penguin?

No, but seriously, few of the issues I see here actually exist. There's still GIMP, OOO, FFx, CLI, SSH, C, mplayer and what not. You can even boot it in CLI mode for old times sake. All well known tools have been long since been ported. wc, awk, grep, ls, I use them for years. Come to the dark side. We have cookies.

danramos | # 77 | 2010-12-22, 12:27 | Report

Vendor locked-in cookies you must do somersaults to get away from when you grab one.

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mikecomputing | # 78 | 2010-12-22, 22:12 | Report

People may call me a troll but how about Microsoft ends buying Nokia and dish QT?

This would infact kill alot of open source project in the end...

Just look what happened with SUN. Oracle has killed OpenOffice and MySQL as I see it :-(

Yes I know there is "forks" but still open source needs big companys too progress forward.

And as we know Microsoft/Oracle dont like open source........

I may be wronbg but history has shown that leaders has done stupid decisions before :-(

Originally Posted by djs_tx View Post

I would be very, very surprised if they did this but...

This is what Palm did in a similar situation. When they lost market leadership by not innovating the original PalmOS (I'm talking Garnet), they shipped Windows Mobile smartphones for a while to pay the bills.

The difference is Nokia may be losing high end market share but they are not hurting to pay the bills. I can't imagine them taking engineering and software resources away from Symbian, QT, and Meego so they can compete on the WP7 platform.

I call BS on this one...

Eldar is sitting in a bar somewhere laughing his butt off over this rumor.
David
David

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mikecomputing | # 79 | 2010-12-22, 22:56 | Report

By going WinMobile there is NO reason for nokia to continue development of QT/QtQuck. And that is very bad.

Reason I believe in that is cause I dont think Microsoft are that intrested in getting QT too the winmobile platform when win7 has its own C# based SDK.

I mean two development SDK:s? Are the developers inside intrested in this? Are the external Applications developers intrested in make apps in "yet another mobile platform?"

Of course if Nokia decides to use winmobile the developers will use that SDK in first place cause "its so cool with everything Microsoft is doing" I mean C++ IS infact more complicated than C# as an example.

But if Nokia do it right they did THIS:

* Continue development on Qt/QtQuick and give developers more resources

* Continue development on Maemo6 on drop symbian on highend segment,

* Make Python and PySide official both on the mobile and the ovistore that would KILL Android cause Android has no good scripting language

* Keep Symbian on lowend devices.

* Be as opensource as possible

They need to continue development on Meego/Qt and symbian development not kick developers and hope engineers att Microsoft fixes it cause some stupid leaderchips inside Nokia has smoked to much drugs...

Originally Posted by ndi View Post

Frankly, Nokia does superb hardware but poor, poor software. I think them looking for an OS that delivers is the way to go, if not for main feed at least as a backup. And I know WM isn't exactly gold now, but MS is big and committed and if a partnership is reached WM could be tuned to the hardware pretty well.

If anything, Nokia needs to establish a relationship with an OS that is young and malleable and backed by a large company. Intel's solution isn't a bad choice, but it may or may not work well. Having a backup is far from bad from any standpoint.

And frankly, WM might kinda suck now but it's too young to call and, if history has taught us anything (by us I mean Windows developers) is that MS work is well documented, with examples and a huge user base.

I know I'm preaching to a select OSS crowd but it's not so bad, really, from developer and user standpoint. Not too good if you look to admin a Linux machine, though. On the good side, actual navigation.

Oh, and, they aren't doing damage to MeeGo. People who make the distinction from Linux to Windows will have a choice and those who don't would have bought anyway. They'll see how it goes and favor the winner. It's bad business to put all your eggs in one OS.

I, for one, welcome out new MS overlords.

zimon | # 80 | 2010-12-22, 23:36 | Report

Stockholders want MS and Nokia fusion and quick 100% win. Money counts.

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