[QUOTE=buchanmilne;933604]But, on the Symbian side of the hardware front? In those 3 years, over 20 devices would have been released (6720,E75,E55,N86 8MP, 5730XM,E52,E72,E63,5530XM,6790,6760,5800NE,5230,X3 ,N97 Mini,5235,6700,X6,C5,C3,E5,C6,X2,5233 ...). And that's only counting S60 (no S40 or S^3)
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From the 5800 forward they has been hardly any improvement in the hardware, in my opinion, until the N8 came out and that still lags behind the N900 due to it's Symbian OS which seems only slightly better than the 5800's.
Other phone makers are moving forwrd fast whilst Nokia lags ever further behind
Exactly what I am saying too. But while I see some effort towards improving the software, there is no hardware. Nothing, nada, jack, zip, zilch. N9 gets scrapped; N9-01 is nowhere to be seen. Nokia RX71 -- anyone even remember that rumor? You are namedropping the N8 camera -- what kind of stupid abomination is a camera like that on a phone? Feature phones, not full-bodied solutions, is the only thing coming from Nokia lately.
Sure, the software needs improvement too, but revolution? Android? WP7? Really? If that is what people here on TMO believe, I rest my case.
RX71? never heard of it before but for some reason I read about something at meego-dev list today :O and now here? was it that rumors about hmmm..
RX71? never heard of it before but for some reason I read about something at meego-dev list today :O and now here? was it that rumors about hmmm..
dont even remember what the mail wasabout but....
Hehe. Thanks for making me feel old -- everyone else treats me like I'm the worst noob.
The RX51 was the codename of the beloved N900 phone. A typo in some obscure code listed RX71 instead, causing massive speculations here. I don't know how many hours I must have wasted eagerly devouring any news of a possible larger, better N900...
I get the impression Finland has some pretty tight union rules that probably makes firings/reassignments very difficult. I would not be surprised if the union contracts forbid % of engineers assigned to non-Symbian development..
Finland has strong unions and laws protecting workers, but it doesn't prevent reassignments or define assignments of engineers inside companies. It only defines some rules like working hours, how overtime is compensated, annual increases on salaries (yep, it's funny that even during recession unions demand raises...) and makes firing someone a bit difficult.
Nokia handles lay offs in two ways - first by offering support packages for those who resign willingly (buying them out), and if needed, by setting up "negotiations" about how many people will be laid off. These "negotiations" are mandatory by law and they are supposed to be an opportunity for workers and the company to find ways to prevent lay offs. Something like relocations, reassignments etc. If you get fired, company cannot hire someone else to similar position in some time, unless you get the opportunity to return to work. If workers feel that they are being treated unfairly, it sometimes prompts strikes, especially during contract negotiations between unions... However, salaries are so low in Finland that Nokia gets talented engineers at cheap price, so it kind of compensates for tight union regulations. Anyway, it doesn't explain decisions regarding resources on development of Maemo or Symbian.
@Julmaherra
You do realize that kicking people out here in Finland is generally quite easy? Compared for example to Germany. I find it quite "funny" when people tell that they have got "permanent" work settlement at last. It doesn´t mean anything :| Makes people(sheeps) happy but well you know..
@Julmaherra
You do realize that kicking people out here in Finland is generally quite easy? Compared for example to Germany. I find it quite "funny" when people tell that they have got "permanent" work settlement at last. It doesn´t mean anything :| Makes people(sheeps) happy but well you know..
If company wants to boot someone out, there is no stopping them, remember when Nokia closed down a unit in Germany some time ago. When there's a will, there's a way. Some countries make it a bit more expensive (like Germany) and some put other restrictions for hiring new people in place of those who get kicked out (like in Finland). There are only few countries in the world that make firing people more difficult than Finland but such thing always has it's bad sides too. It also increases the risks of hiring new people and this makes getting new jobs more difficult. That's why I believe we cannot really afford restrictions similar to Germany...
@JulmaHerra
I have thought that in Finland firing people is quite inexpensive and easy compared to most of European countries and on the other hand hiring people is pretty expensive and complicated when compared to other countries. It should be other way around.
Closing down Germany's Bochum ended up being quite expensive decision to Nokia.
