jcdr | # 2981 | 2011-07-30, 17:37 | Report

First sorry for my English.

This is a tragic situation now. The N9 is a extremely strong product from a never so disturbing Nokia. The signal could't be more wrong and the risk is almost only from the Nokia future official announcement about his OS strategy. There no room for any more error.

If the Nokia don't make a clear official statement about a growing Meego smartphone line, then buying a N9 is basically useless. Anyone that buy a N9 will known from the start that any effort to learn that product is a long term loss. In a few years his N9 will be dead and the only choice will be to choose and learn an another system. Past officials statements from Nokia have only granted that the future will be exactly like this.

Nokia part that have bring the N9 to life, and Nokia part that set strategic goals seem to act like two distinctive and concurrent entities. The confusion is total. The fact that the name Meego and Mango are so close, that the Meego and Windows Phone prototypes are so close, only increase even more that confusion. Nokia act as if the customers are stupid enough to not bring attention to the operating system. This is not only a false assumption, but this is arrogant to the point it damage the customers perception of how Nokia can take attention to the customers needs. The operating system choice is primordial because of the vast emotion linked to this choice. This is a fact of life, of the human brain; you cannot negate this fact.

And sorry for Microsoft, but decade of problematic relationship with there users (by choice or imposed) have injected a vast negative emotion about Microsoft related products. Microsoft have always preferred to impose there systems (via enterprise, via government, via manufacturers) and is still continuing this way. Microsoft don't have build a positive relationship with there users (and I say users, not customers). Most of them have only accepted to use Windows because there feel to have no real choice at that time. The actual consequence is that there commonly exists a emotive rejection about any Microsoft related system. WP7 sales only show the resulting damage. Nokia can't possibly fix this major issue, as can't Samsung, HTC and others players. WP will fail at Nokia exactly the same way if have failed and continue to fail at others players.

Still, the Meego N9 marketing is growing as for a prime new product, and Nokia current official statement is Windows only future. Overall, the Nokia official signal is actually so disturbing and confusing that nobody can decently expect a growing value from that junk. And when I say nobody, I means everyone possibly involved. I don't see how Nokia customers can get advantage of this situation. I don't see how Nokia workers can get advantage of this situation. I don't see how Nokia shareholders can get advantage of this situation. I don't see how the board of directors can get advantage of this situation. Everyone is in a losing loop.

The fact is that the N9 have received a very good welcome from so many peoples is a unique position that must be exploited immediately to the absolute maximum. Nokia can't afford to leak any hesitation about that. In practice, the next official Nokia statement will definitely set his possible future. There is two big possible lines:
1) Continuing the schizophrenic loosing Nokia.
2) Focusing on real new and unique Nokia values.

Error is always possible. All current Nokia competitors have also made errors is there history. The fatal error is to not recognize an error.

somedude | # 2982 | 2011-07-30, 17:40 | Report

And you still ask for such a thread when N9 vs N950 is currently on the active list and you have been commenting on it?

edit:
here is the post you made two days ago:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...6&postcount=83
and you come back here asking for another thread?

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gerbick | # 2983 | 2011-07-30, 17:54 | Report

And if you read that ****ing thread, the mere second I jumped in there, I was hit with one jackass saying "we're not here to test the N950 for you people" when all that was asked was whether or not (unbeknownst to me that same question was asked multiple times) provisioning was supported.

A simple bullet-point list of what's there, what's not there and a comparison of what's going to be there (N9) would alleviate a lot of that. Collecting the information and placing it in a very visible spot would give people who don't want to answer a ****ing thing, or don't want to "test" for the community, whatever semantics they want to hide behind... then so be it. Copy the list URL, paste the URL, leave egocentric and snarky comments out of it.

Regardless, if this is how general curiosity is greeted, then consider me no longer curious. No time to address this kind of wasteful, masturbatory conversation. It produces absolutely nothing and I don't like spouting off ad nauseum how that type of attitude serves only the geeks in question.

Some folks are willing to entertain us that do not have. Share their findings while heavily coding forward to further understand the platform. Daperl is a good reminder of a person that's in the community, showing and answering his discoveries, not breaking the NDA about what's considered a negative, clearly communicates to use pleebs that have to sit and wait while speculating what is it like to have a Harmattan device.

Meanwhile, Nokia ain't advertising jack ****, are explaining even less than jack ****, and seemingly are killing off any and all efforts to make the N9/Harmattan a device that we'd want to buy by crippling each and every ****ing step of its release via rigorous undermining strategies that make finding info we'd (possible, future customers) would look towards to research what our next device will be.

I'm not one of these people that will blindly say "I'll buy it!" without researching the **** out of it first - helps me avoid that whole "Did you do your research?" geek mantra of when they rather not answer a damn thing.

So yeah. I'm curious. I'm active. And if that is met with opposition, then there will be no wonder when less than a few months after the release of the N9 it doesn't receive anything else, TMO finally closes down and us geeks are sitting there with a fancy, polycarbonate shell device with no support whatsoever.

No worries though. I promise you I will not ask any more questions about the N9, N950 if it is met with this much resistance. Thankfully, my Android curiosity is met with equal curiosity and willingness to tinker and answer elsewhere.

Re: Limited testing abilities - yes. I'm almost willing to bet that Zeh(whatever) I was addressing has a rather limited setup. I rarely see answers, just more vague commentary. Same for a lot of others. That was about their testing environments, don't skew it to be anything else.

jalyst | # 2984 | 2011-07-30, 19:28 | Report

Chill dude, I didn't see his post as that inflammatory towards you?

jalyst | # 2985 | 2011-07-30, 19:29 | Report

Ehehehe gold, I loved point (1), it conjured up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg
I really do thank-you for your input, not making fun of your English.
In fact, it was very evocative for me, thanks!

aironeous | # 2986 | 2011-07-30, 19:53 | Report

From http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Offi...Nokia#Accepted
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66:Joergrw (Joerg Reisenweber) device arrived. COMPLETED

USB hostmode. Give N9(50) access to external storage etc. (co-devels: Thomas B. Ruecker, MohammadAG)

Review the core functionality and find other similar fields to tackle (see *# starhash-enabler for N900). To mind comes: user profiles (refer the modest "default" & "silent" on fremantle), dialplans, location aware event triggers (cinema profile triggers automatically on entering the building), improved battery management and monitoring, theft protection and recovery...

cablefinder based on fast magnetometer readout detecting 50/60Hz fields (co-devel: alterego)
torch/flashlight app for N950 - possibly augmented to do optical data transfer, RX via a v4l2 based decoder app

I am contributing/associated to:
SnapGo / Ryan Abel [consulting on low level stuff]

catbus | # 2987 | 2011-07-30, 21:36 | Report

And somebody said "there will be no ecosystem for N9"... - Funny...

Thanks... N9 wll be my next one...

Cod3rror | # 2988 | 2011-07-30, 22:46 | Report

Nothing funny, it will have no ecosystem.

Let me explain in easy app terms...

iPhone has:

Viber - A fantastic VoIP app/service
Skype - With video
Firefox Home - Awesome! Sync bookmarks, history, etc.. one way(this is great)
iPod app - The best.
Tons of Feeds/RSS apps
Notesy - Sync notes with Dropbox
PhotoSync - Sync photos/videos with Dropbox
Dropbox - The official app
Tons of GPS apps, Navigon, TomTom, CoPilot, Sygic, etc... all updated, TeleAtlas and NAVTEQ maps
Galileo - Free maps, great app
SpeedTracker - Map tracking app
Instacast - Awesome podcasts app
Soundhound - Music identification
TuneIn Radio - Awesome radio app
Games... Angry Birds, Fragger, Tiny Wings, DoodleJump, Plants vs Zombies, ZombieSmash, Cut the Rope, Osmos, Tetris, Lumines, Unblock Me.
Soulver - A fantastic calculator app
Groceries - Another fantastic app for grocery lists
Converter+ - Awesome
WhatsApp
iMessage
Built in Calendar that syncs with Google cal
Tons of website specific apps, eBay, operator/carrier apps, etc...



Yea, N9 has no ecosystem, when it has all the above apps then it'll have one and I'll consider it.

gerbick | # 2989 | 2011-07-30, 23:08 | Report

It won't. But look at it this way, you'll have the repositories for applications. The ability to drop your own music - we all have music collections by now - and play your converted from DVD movies. The other stuff... I'm sure it'll stay up to date.

hotnikkelz | # 2990 | 2011-07-30, 23:22 | Report

@Daperl
Is the email app as spartan as it looks? Is there support for like hotmail folders, or gmail's labels? that sort of thing

How do u access contextual search? Must i go back to the app page and do a global search and apply filtering?

Is the events page sensibly managed? I mean if i put twitter and facebook, can i rearrange the order, or section them off to reduce space eg like a drop down tap.? What's the max length of this page?

How good is the python support for developiement? I read somewhere it's using pyside.

Are there any voice features?