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keflex | # 3871 | 2011-08-12, 17:46 | Report

Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post

you really had to be kidding!? why do people prefer Android then!? are u saying those people will run WP in some year? oh well maybe they will but nor because.they want more because they muust wnhen MicroNokia and Apple has sued all companys for runing Android == means they will kill it.

If thats what you think younger generation do then I really dissagree...

People prefer Android because of both the range of applications and the range of Android handsets available across multiple price points, provided by multiple OEMs.

And from there your post kinda descended into undecipherable nonsense so yeah.

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mikecomputing | # 3872 | 2011-08-12, 18:09 | Report

Originally Posted by keflex View Post

People prefer Android because of both the range of applications and the range of Android handsets available across multiple price points, provided by multiple OEMs.

And from there your post kinda descended into undecipherable nonsense so yeah.

And exacly the same could happen if they continued Symbian/Meego and Qt instead of trying to kill it by going WP7. Its just garbage Elop is trying to tell you and others.

He is still working for Microsoft and the US thats for sure.

STILL they strategy FAILS! thats my point you seems to dissagre cause some stupid messages from MrElop. But ofcourse he trying to convince you and stockholders Nokias decision is right. Hell what do you think? If he did say the real true he would be VERY stupid.

I see it in a bigger way and its seem more and more like MicroNokia will try to kill competitors same way as Apple is trying to do it now == sue competitors

thats why they cant go Meego its to open. This has nothing to do with what "people want".

Its all the same: they run WP7 down your throat and then saying "this is what you want to use". Same way as it always has been

This is not freedom its what I call capitalist diktatur where the biggest companys dictates what you should use...

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keflex | # 3873 | 2011-08-12, 18:16 | Report

Originally Posted by

And exacly the same could happen if they continued Symbian/Meego and Qt instead of trying to kill it by going WP7. Its just garbage Elop is trying to tell you and others.

Symbian already had its chance to be the smartphone OS of choice for other OEMs, and they turned their backs on it. Similarly, there's been no legitimate attempts made at a MeeGo smartphone outside the N9 itself.

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Its all the same they run WP7 down your throat and then saying "this is what you want to use". Same way as it always has been

This is not freedom its what I call capitalist diktatur where the biggest companys dictates what you should use...

The only real alternative to that would be an OEM that allows the customer to choose their OS of choice at point-of-sale, and that's a long way off, if ever even a possibility.

If you don't like WP7, that's fine; vote with your wallet. Again, benefit of a capitalist marketplace. Nokia is using WP7 as its primary platform, much like Sony Ericsson & Motorola use Android. What Nokia are actually saying is "This is what we think the market would like to see in a product". They may be right, or they may be wrong; no reasonable conclusion can be derived yet. However, I am very willing to conclude that you're an idiot.

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aironeous | # 3874 | 2011-08-12, 18:16 | Report

Originally Posted by keflex View Post

300 devices to MeeGo devs, many more to commercial devs.

If you're going to spout ****** conspiracy theories be sure to get your facts straight.

ok I stand corrected if that is really true...
Please.... due tell.

keflex | # 3875 | 2011-08-12, 18:20 | Report

I'm not going to rifle through Internet articles just to prove a point; that's your job. You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. It's not my fault you weren't thorough enough.

ysss | # 3876 | 2011-08-12, 18:27 | Report

lol keflex is like a warrior tank that's single-handedly warding off low level monsters swarming him from all directions...

*casts heal from afar*

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BwackNinja | # 3877 | 2011-08-12, 18:28 | Report

The kind of people who are frequenting the internet for news about new devices that haven't come out yet like the N9. That's not exactly an instant win, but its definitely not a downside.

If despite the money being put into it, WP7 sells just as poorly as everyone here says it will, then there will be no need to dissolve the Microsoft-Nokia partnership, Microsoft will just do its best to make it look like it never happened. If they fail, Nokia will have no choice but to go Meego or no go. Or they might cave completely and go the Android route, and probably be loved by all by having nice devices. They've shown they can competently make a UI, they can shove great hardware in a device, and likely wont have any problem with unlocked bootloaders.

Given the N9 as a gauge, the phones Nokia will be putting out wont suck... far from it. The only thing that might suck would be WP7 and that's on MS.

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Cue | # 3878 | 2011-08-12, 18:52 | Report

Originally Posted by keflex View Post

I base my statements on several years of gradual progression WRT social media services, cloud computing and mobile OS design. You base your statements on the sales results of one particular OS that has only been in the market for one year.

QUALITY ARGUMENT BRO

The irony of your sarcastic rebuttal must be lost on you.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/...news/231300314

I base my statements on market trends. You on pure faith and a crystal ball. The very thing you were all too eager to point out was "if the consumer has no interest in it why should Nokia". It could be the greatest product in the world (it's not, but it's certainly not rubbish) but if the consumer has no interest in it then nor should Nokia. Your argument is lacking and incoherent, not mine.

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hotnikkelz | # 3879 | 2011-08-12, 19:39 | Report

Originally Posted by Cue View Post

The irony of your sarcastic rebuttal must be lost on you.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/...news/231300314

I base my statements on market trends. You on pure faith and a crystal ball. The very thing you were all too eager to point out was "if the consumer has no interest in it why should Nokia". It could be the greatest product in the world (it's not, but it's certainly not rubbish) but if the consumer has no interest in it then nor should Nokia. Your argument is lacking and incoherent, not mine.

I think that happened cuz nothing new has happened with the platform (minor software updates and no new phones) since the release. I expect a continuous decline until mango comes out on 2nd gen hardware.

mikecomputing | # 3880 | 2011-08-12, 19:51 | Report

Originally Posted by keflex View Post

Symbian already had its chance to be the smartphone OS of choice for other OEMs, and they turned their backs on it. Similarly, there's been no legitimate attempts made at a MeeGo smartphone outside the N9 itself.

The only real alternative to that would be an OEM that allows the customer to choose their OS of choice at point-of-sale, and that's a long way off, if ever even a possibility.

If you don't like WP7, that's fine; vote with your wallet. Again, benefit of a capitalist marketplace. Nokia is using WP7 as its primary platform, much like Sony Ericsson & Motorola use Android. What Nokia are actually saying is "This is what we think the market would like to see in a product". They may be right, or they may be wrong; no reasonable conclusion can be derived yet. However, I am very willing to conclude that you're an idiot.

LOL! Wonder who is the biggest idiot here, You beleiving on Elops word or me...

Reason Symbian has failed in history is because the devframework sucked but now the Qt is on place it could actually start compete with WP7/IOS and Android. But instead the board got panic and MrFlop started spread FUD in february and helped kill it instead of improve it. Again its all about marketing! WP7 may succes but STILL its not because its the "best ecosystem" or the best for consumers or even Nokia as company. Only idiots who believe in Elop may think this is the case.

Btw I am definitivly not an idiot even if my english sucks...

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