I also forgive your narrow-mindedness.

You will understand us in time.

I've already donated a few hundred dollars to various maemo devs and I would definitely donate more for foss activities, especially those around the mobile space.

But I'm not interested to fund an experimental commercial-style development around the remains of maemo.

Count me out.

Considering you own an iPhone, i'd already counted you out.

Oooh a few hundred dollars lol, better warn Bill Gates he has competition

A) Its not experiemental anything
B) My proposal wouldnt make Maemo any more commercial than it already is.

The idea is to develop for another higher spec device initially.

Lastly; "understand us" lol - you are hilarious dude. The yes votes in the poll already far outway the few people who are not interested. There's a minority report for ya

Dude, quit mocking and try to understand his point. He has some very valid points.

You have to admit that however much we love Maemo, from a commercial point of view, this is a dead platform. Hence, it is going to be VERY difficult to attract developers to this platform. Even if they are interested, why should they waste their time on maemo when they can work on Meego, which atleast support a few more devices.

Face it, we cannot practically get NEW developers for maemo. The best we can do is incentivice the existing developers to do some great development on the device.

Also, do you have ANY idea how many man-hours would be required to get somebody to port an os like maemo to a higher spec device? Further, do you know how much money would be required? We need to think practically and to do that, we need atleast ballbark numbers/idea about the work/time/money required.

I would happily pay 10$ a month for continued development of Maemo/Meego for N900.

What i thought would happen on this thread has actually happened.

The smart-asss talk is now here from the likes of ysss and his followers which will and is having an adverse effect of the thread itself and what it stands for.

I will now give you some of the analysis of my work which will stop these people from making stupid comments hopefully.

I will now talk about reverse engineering and why i think it can win the situation totally and from my research of this regarding meamo i was able to apply much of the legal side i was involved in with the hacking and reverse engineering of the BSKYB videocrypt system, which i might add was 100% successful and was a lot more "illegal" than this Maemo RCE could ever be.

Nokia are indeed holding this community to ransom and this is something i have been looking at for some time now as it has been the bain of any real progress of Maemo by the developers that did all the work on cssu etc because of the much needed code they did not have access too.

This all began when stskeeps informed me that he was "apparently" given access to the full source of the Maemo os for the N900 to begin the Meego work he was appointed to do by "apparently" Nokia.

I asked on here a long time ago about reverse engineering the os to gain eventually the source code to enable further development to take place and i got a lot of "no not possible because of legal reasons etcetc".

There is quite a bit of legal stuff involved in doing something like this so i looked into this as much as i could and i have come up with some interesting conclusions.

First of all let me explain a few things, if you are reverse engineering to ultimately gain profit from the end result of RCE then you could land in hot water most certainly BUT if you are doing this because the "object" has not been built or put together properly software wise and your reason for RCE is to make the "object" function better then it is fair game and no court will even entertain an assumption of fraud or infringement under these circumstances.

The other aspect is Patent Infringement and the same rules can also be applied to this aspect also, so at the end of the day if it is to gain better "functionality" this would no way be classed as a "Patent Infringement" unless you will use RCE code for other than the device it was origionally designed and patented for (this needs some further talking about).

I have attempted to explain this in a simple way without getting too technical and boring.

The situation is now clear in that Nokia HAVE stopped ALL work on the Maemo OS and have also stated this directly, this in turn means RCE can now take place and THAT point is very important.

If you read more into this you will soon realise that NOW is the time to get the source code for the Maemo os of the N900 IRRESPECTIVE of Nokia's willingless to open up Maemo and the legal drivel behind it !!!

ejasmudar PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THIS

Now is the time to approach Nokia to see if they will or will not release this code because it IS all there and only has to be engineered by the right person from the images everyone has access too.

Do we need Nokia for this ? the answer at the end of the day is NO we do not, even if the legal side of this is looked into because it will be the lever needed for release if nothing else.

I will await comments to this post and i will answer any questions forthcoming.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone here is now dumber for having to read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

@Abill: now is the time to shut up and actually do something. enough talks.

@btman: 'us' referred to the foss people. I admit that a part of me still supports the idyllic FOSS principles that have been failing to 'perform' in the market and the pragmatic part of myself just had to 'deal with it' by buying shits that work: blackberries and iPhones in my case. No, I'm not going to write up all my usecases here because its been discussed in the past already.

If you want a new vessel to carry the maemo code into the future, have you talked to the cordiatab team?

At any rate, for non-corporate funded FOSS projects, I've never heard any of them that started out from fund gathering side then trickles down to personnel/developer recruitment, etc. That's ***-backward to me. Small foss teams with very limited resources has to leverage the ultimate foss resource.... and that's not fundraising ability nor excellence in outsourcing.

I strongly suggest you read that post again and give it some thought before making useless comments.

Has nobody yet realised that the likes of ysss and his followers always but always jump in on threads to make sarcasm and start flamewars?, please do read and you will surely see !.

Who the hell are 'my followers' anyway?

I 'follow them' as much as they 'follow me'... do you know why? Because we agree on certain things (and it's ok if we disagree on others).... and you know what, that's what makes foss works. Certain interests are aligning people from different backgrounds and with different mindsets. We don't need to be exactly the same to be on the same team.

I've made 3-4 posts on this thread. At first I gave my support for the simple '$10 for maemo' and voted 'yes' to the poll. As things were fleshed out and the direction took a dire turn, I realized that this isn't something that I would personally support, so I voiced out my concerns. If 'the likes of me' can challenge your concept with just a couple of posts that you think can derail your train, then you'd better sharpen up and come up with a better plan.

Here is something i just found that EVERYONE on this thread need to read and digest BEFORE making comments.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/reverse/faq.cgi

PS ysss your doing it yet again !.

NB and another interesting reading........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering