I think the see through what they are working on would be community wise perfect (but also makes it possible for others to steal ideas), but if you have control on the code base it would probably be more about knowledge than about ownery eg. if you know how your system works, you can develop it fast and be step ahead... google stays step ahead with andorid doing all the development in house, don't know if there is other trics to keep android in google than that (app store offcourse)... but they certainly seem to own android in practice.
Also I think that was what happened with mysql, to my knowledge oracle hasn't been able to develop it, since they didn't buy the people who where developing the code. So now the mysql guys have mariaDB, which is compatible with mysql, but better...
also if community feels as it is part of the development, it's like biting your own leg when running the mouth. This has been probably said in different forms already, but what the hey jolla was such a cool news
Jolla is a jollyboat in english.
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Also the core from mer sound to me like the possible device could probably be modded to anything, since the core is open (though I don't really understand what is open and closed in N9, it seem pretty open too after all). But there def is a demand for open linux devices, like raspberry pi, it sold out in minutes and how cool that little board really is!
If they pay these guys in cash and not in "shares"] I'm not sure how they can make it profitable. They must have some really generous donors. I would love to see their buissniss plan and economic forecast.
Just repeating .. I'd like to ask one question: How would you guys like the community to look around Jolla SW/HW etc?
I can speak only for myself, but it would be nice to have the community significantly involved around the project. It doesn't bring much market share, but it brings some die-hard fans.
First thing that would be needed for that would be a single place with a forum, a wiki and dev repo/infrastructure (this is sadly missing for the N9).
Feeling welcome is very important, but that's difficult to define, it's made of a lot little things. That was done pretty ok during the Nokia time (at least on the engineers side), so I'm not too worried.
Feeling welcome is very important, but that's difficult to define, it's made of a lot little things. That was done pretty ok during the Nokia time (at least on the engineers side), so I'm not too worried.
Well, at least on the Core OS side of things with Jolla, given that it's merproject.org as core, I can promise that we're working very hard to make people feel welcome. That part is done with proper open governance (http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Governance ), transparency, public review, etc.
Remember that Mer is a core, and a vendor (or multiple) adds UI and hardware adaptation(s) on top. Mer's customers are vendors, not end-users, so you'd have to learn how to interact on that level as well.
Mer is a multiple-vendor core, ie, people work together to share their load of handling mobile Linux core work.
Regarding the rest of the stack, those specifics will wait a bit, please stay tuned.
-50 (probably highly paid since they work in Finland...) engineers on company means that they must have some serious financial backing alreary. They must be already burning a couple of million euros yearly on salaries only. This is not a small startup.
I agree. With some assumptions:
- there were five person first, now 50, so in average 27 all the time
- average salary is 40000 e per year, so 30000 e in 9 months
- employer payments are in total 1,5 x salary
it will result 27 x 30000 e x 1,5 = 1250000 e.
So, without selling anything they already used over million euros, and if they don't get the phone to the stores this year, the bill will double So, indeed, not a small start-up (at least in Finnish scale).
(I wrote this with my N9 and it wasn't very funny experience. I hope the formating didn't f*ck up.)
I agree. With some assumptions:
- there were five person first, now 50, so in average 27 all the time
- average salary is 40000 e per year, so 30000 e in 9 months
- employer payments are in total 1,5 x salary
it will result 27 x 30000 e x 1,5 = 1250000 e.
So, without selling anything they already used over million euros, and if they don't get the phone to the stores this year, the bill will double So, indeed, not a small start-up (at least in Finnish scale).
(I wrote this with my N9 and it wasn't very funny experience. I hope the formating didn't f*ck up.)
add to this buisness support and customer support plus losts of other costs. This must be someone with deep pokets that love high risks/gambling or simply love wasting money for a great course
Hiilikatu 3 ("Coal Street 3") is almost next door to Nokia Reseach Center Helsinki, which (AFAIK) was the HQ for Maemo/Meego OS development.
Well that makes sense.
If Jolla are hoping to take on ex-nokia staff, then the last thing they would want to do is make their prospective employees travel further a field. And being so close would be just like a change in their car parking spaces for some.
