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2012-10-17
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Originally Posted by gerbick
So in short what you mean is the fiasco is nothing to do with the device's abilities but with its "deployment, support and marketing"...
Fiasco in deployment, support and marketing outside of a few areas. Fiasco in how they went about things. Sure, it won some awards. But so did the Yugo.
So if you are able to get thru those 3 fiascos the n9 is a pretty sweet device
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2012-10-17
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yeah, the marketing plan, the promotion the support etc etc... were indeed a fiasco.
but this has nothing to do with the N9 as a device.
this phone with an "Apple-like promotion"... had it been Apple's let's say... it would had broke any smartphone selling record.
the device is stunningly beautiful, the UI is revolutionary.
with proper (apple-like) support and the bug fixes it would have gotten along the way (eliminating most of the OS's shortcomings) the N9 could have been a game changer.
so, with all respect to you guys, I disagree. It's Nokia's strategy that was a fiasco (combined with non-existant Meego harmattan polishing) that is the real fiasco here.. not the N9
Hell, I've been a cellphone enthusiast since the 7110.
the N9 (along with 7650 & N900) was the only device that kept me awake at night just thinking about what I saw.
but this has nothing to do with the N9 as a device.
this phone with an "Apple-like promotion"... had it been Apple's let's say... it would had broke any smartphone selling record.
the device is stunningly beautiful, the UI is revolutionary.
with proper (apple-like) support and the bug fixes it would have gotten along the way (eliminating most of the OS's shortcomings) the N9 could have been a game changer.
so, with all respect to you guys, I disagree. It's Nokia's strategy that was a fiasco (combined with non-existant Meego harmattan polishing) that is the real fiasco here.. not the N9
Hell, I've been a cellphone enthusiast since the 7110.
the N9 (along with 7650 & N900) was the only device that kept me awake at night just thinking about what I saw.
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2012-10-17
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the example of the N97 though...
that was the exact opposite. a great promotion of the device in all levels. great hype and everything... and a total failure of a product.
that's a textbook ****ing Nokia fiasco right there.
and I own the God damn thing. it' only good as a 32gb flash drive and that's it.
it was heavily promoted, costed almost 700euros in summer 2009 (even more in some regions)...
or the N96 before it... almost the same , buggy, overpiced failure and a disgrace to N95's legacy.
those 2 phones took down Nokia... and Elop finished what they started
that was the exact opposite. a great promotion of the device in all levels. great hype and everything... and a total failure of a product.
that's a textbook ****ing Nokia fiasco right there.
and I own the God damn thing. it' only good as a 32gb flash drive and that's it.
it was heavily promoted, costed almost 700euros in summer 2009 (even more in some regions)...
or the N96 before it... almost the same , buggy, overpiced failure and a disgrace to N95's legacy.
those 2 phones took down Nokia... and Elop finished what they started
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2012-10-17
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Look, all of these points are valid. The N9 is gorgeous. I love the swipe UI. The notification screen and overall setup are nice, though I do miss the widgets and homescreens of the N900.
But the N9 has MANY problems, far too many to leave it as a genuine competitor to iOS and Android. Think of it this way, if either one of those companies would have released the N9, their customers would have said, "This sucks!" A gorgeous phone that's dumb as a post and can't get even the BASICS right, like video playback, tracker, email, is just unsatisfactory. The N900 had email problems, too. They all feel like beta devices, with my E7 being the most reliable and app-rich out of my three Nokia phones, but still no match for the chief competitors. It must have been all of those squandered man-years that the Nokia folks spent in-fighting. Well, I suppose that most lost their jobs anyways, or worse they have to support WP, so punishment has been applied.
My hope is that Nokia is forced to produce an Android phone early next year, along with a swipe UI, MeeGo-style skin that looks like the 920. And maybe another WP 8 device, if there's a reason to do so. I hope Elop's successor does it, makes money at it, and shows Elop to be a ***** for choosing WP7x over Android.
But the N9 has MANY problems, far too many to leave it as a genuine competitor to iOS and Android. Think of it this way, if either one of those companies would have released the N9, their customers would have said, "This sucks!" A gorgeous phone that's dumb as a post and can't get even the BASICS right, like video playback, tracker, email, is just unsatisfactory. The N900 had email problems, too. They all feel like beta devices, with my E7 being the most reliable and app-rich out of my three Nokia phones, but still no match for the chief competitors. It must have been all of those squandered man-years that the Nokia folks spent in-fighting. Well, I suppose that most lost their jobs anyways, or worse they have to support WP, so punishment has been applied.
My hope is that Nokia is forced to produce an Android phone early next year, along with a swipe UI, MeeGo-style skin that looks like the 920. And maybe another WP 8 device, if there's a reason to do so. I hope Elop's successor does it, makes money at it, and shows Elop to be a ***** for choosing WP7x over Android.
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2012-10-17
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What is to say that the tracker and email issues wouldn't have been solved (after all aren't we the only OSes (Fremantle & Harmattan) to have solved Hotmail Exchange issues among iOS, Android, WM, webOS etc) if not for the sub-contractors who were messing up till Elop announced WP as the OS of choice and the Harmattan team blanked out those sub-contractors just to ensure they managed to get a device out of the door?
Android releases a lot of s*it too so let's not get there...Android covers from one of the lowest price-points to the highest so you might want to refer to a flagship Android being released the way the N9 was instead of generic Android
Then again the resources a flagship Android is given much outweigh what the N9 had after Feb.'11 so its pretty moot...
Lastly, again what is to say Nokia+Android would have been a successful match? Samsung and others would have had Nokia for breakfast with the slowness with which Nokia updates devices with latest tech...
Remember if employees and middle-managers are in-fighting in an organization, then it means those at the top are seriously lacking in leadership skills so pre-Elop already you had a rudderless leadership...
Android releases a lot of s*it too so let's not get there...Android covers from one of the lowest price-points to the highest so you might want to refer to a flagship Android being released the way the N9 was instead of generic Android
Then again the resources a flagship Android is given much outweigh what the N9 had after Feb.'11 so its pretty moot...
Lastly, again what is to say Nokia+Android would have been a successful match? Samsung and others would have had Nokia for breakfast with the slowness with which Nokia updates devices with latest tech...
Remember if employees and middle-managers are in-fighting in an organization, then it means those at the top are seriously lacking in leadership skills so pre-Elop already you had a rudderless leadership...
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
Don't get me wrong. It's a nice device. But I cannot shake the feeing that it is an incomplete device.
So in short what you mean is the fiasco is nothing to do with the device's abilities but with its "deployment, support and marketing"...
So if you are able to get thru those 3 fiascos the n9 is a pretty sweet device.
Since I'm part of this community, I know of the Nokians that have described their struggles to get something out of the door that we'd like. The N900, I wasn't initially a fan, panned it due to the screen. Got one, loved it... but the long lock in time on the GPS - and it didn't work well for me when I lived in Pittsburgh, PA - and lack of true 3G speeds (I'm with AT&T) bothered me.
But the N9. I get 3G speeds, love swipe UI, but Aegis screwed whatever freedom I wanted and the unlocked kernel brings more issues than resolving problems around perceived freedom.
And how it was regarded and pushed out, I'd say it easily fits under the fiasco category. At least it wasn't like the catastrophe that the Lumia series has been so far. That's a different story.
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2012-10-17
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Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE
So... we agree?
yeah, the marketing plan, the promotion the support etc etc... were indeed a fiasco.
so, with all respect to you guys, I disagree. It's Nokia's strategy that was a fiasco (combined with non-existant Meego harmattan polishing) that is the real fiasco here.. not the N9
Fiasco to me. Nokia bigwigs are to blame.
Hell, I've been a cellphone enthusiast since the 7110.
the N9 (along with 7650 & N900) was the only device that kept me awake at night just thinking about what I saw.
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2012-10-17
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Originally Posted by gerbick
The unlocked kernel only disables you from having a device lock or MfE account code...Everything else works fine (i'm in open mode since it was first released)...
Don't get me wrong. It's a nice device. But I cannot shake the feeing that it is an incomplete device.
Since I'm part of this community, I know of the Nokians that have described their struggles to get something out of the door that we'd like. The N900, I wasn't initially a fan, panned it due to the screen. Got one, loved it... but the long lock in time on the GPS - and it didn't work well for me when I lived in Pittsburgh, PA - and lack of true 3G speeds (I'm with AT&T) bothered me.
But the N9. I get 3G speeds, love swipe UI, but Aegis screwed whatever freedom I wanted and the unlocked kernel brings more issues than resolving problems around perceived freedom.
And how it was regarded and pushed out, I'd say it easily fits under the fiasco category. At least it wasn't like the catastrophe that the Lumia series has been so far. That's a different story.
Yes its incomplete; nothing to hide there...The community however has done much to cover the perceived flaws but some like video playback are hw issues that may / may not be solved...
Mentioning Nokians, you would then know that those very Nokians wouldn't stand for a sub-standard product but they needed to get it out of the door and did the best they could in those circumstances wrt the N9...
For Lumia its a ship-wreck since day 1 so its useless even mentioning it
Oh and gerbick you are a gadget junkie aren't you? Then why do you still use the one-year old dated N9?
Due to it being in your own words "great but could have been f***ing awesome"? Says alot about the n9's pull doesnt it regardless of the fiascos?
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2012-10-17
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gerbick, I'm losing you there.
first you agree with previous posters it was a fiasco , then you call it "great" and coulda been awesome.
maybe we perceive the word "fiasco" differently. english is not my native language but I think fiasco means disaster..total failure
so you contradict yourself cause deep inside you seem to like the N9. you just had somewhat higher expectations. i see you.
but.. a "fiasco". i mean... you can't call it like that dude... we'll catch an old maemian (like the egyptian) curse or something : p
first you agree with previous posters it was a fiasco , then you call it "great" and coulda been awesome.
maybe we perceive the word "fiasco" differently. english is not my native language but I think fiasco means disaster..total failure
so you contradict yourself cause deep inside you seem to like the N9. you just had somewhat higher expectations. i see you.
but.. a "fiasco". i mean... you can't call it like that dude... we'll catch an old maemian (like the egyptian) curse or something : p
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It's a fiasco because they sold it to Azerbaijan but not to Germany, UK, France or other countries. It didn't get a deal from many carriers. It was hard as hell to find - I had to source them for other people on top of finding two for myself - and ultimately it was EOL in under a year despite "years and years of support" only to be lied to. And hell, if my Nokia N9 breaks now, I'm ****ed.
Fiasco in deployment, support and marketing outside of a few areas. Fiasco in how they went about things. Sure, it won some awards. But so did the Yugo.
About the "beta test being over"... they're right. Now they're out to plain out screw us. Release the Lumia 900, no upgrade path. It's dead about a year later.
Sounds familiar? The problem isn't the operating system. It's Nokia's management. They screwed over each iteration of Maemo. They thought that Microsoft wouldn't have done the same - but they did. Trust in the wrong people... totally.