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jalyst | # 471 | 2013-03-31, 10:01 | Report

It's not about answering questions all the time, it's about having an actively evolving dialogue...
One which helps identify things they've neglected to think about much or at all, not just one that satisfies curiosities or eases concerns of devs/end-users.
This has all been discussed/explained, they did initially see the value in it & planned to engage, that died quickly though unfortunately.
Twitter/FB & the media drip-feed are far too ad-hoc for that sort of thing, we had a chance to do something with much more substance.
Anyway, all is not completely lost yet I guess, hopefully shmerl will get some more responsiveness from them soon, maybe I'll try again.

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danramos | # 472 | 2013-03-31, 17:06 | Report

Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post

Well they HAVE listened to us. But they should care about theyr bussiness in the first place. Not a few fanboys at TMO. Thats a fact.

I think you've missed another opposing "fact" to your so-called fact: How they treat the "fanboys" at TMO and how TMO "fanboys" react might be a barometer of things to come in the same way I'd made that point about Nokia ages ago. Nobody at Nokia wanted to listen back then either--I used to get a lot of "this isn't the place to get Nokia to pay attention" and I pointed out how it would serve them well to do so. You see how well that turned out?

Perhaps it would behoove them to start making more friends at TMO, seek out opinions and motivate participation from the developers who are among the many "fanboys" at TMO. I would think that it's exactly WHEN THEY ARE at this early point that they should especially value such opinions and community-building ahead of a release and during development.

...Or don't, and continue to ignore them. Let's see how well that turns out again. If nothing else, even if they succeed in finally putting this thing out, this adds more fuel to the notion that they're not interested in openness too.

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mikecomputing | # 473 | 2013-03-31, 17:29 | Report

Originally Posted by danramos View Post

I think you've missed another opposing "fact" to your so-called fact: How they treat the "fanboys" at TMO and how TMO "fanboys" react might be a barometer of things to come in the same way I'd made that point about Nokia ages ago. Nobody at Nokia wanted to listen back then either--I used to get a lot of "this isn't the place to get Nokia to pay attention" and I pointed out how it would serve them well to do so. You see how well that turned out?

Perhaps it would behoove them to start making more friends at TMO, seek out opinions and motivate participation from the developers who are among the many "fanboys" at TMO. I would think that it's exactly WHEN THEY ARE at this early point that they should especially value such opinions and community-building ahead of a release and during development.

...Or don't, and continue to ignore them. Let's see how well that turns out again. If nothing else, even if they succeed in finally putting this thing out, this adds more fuel to the notion that they're not interested in openness too.

Compare Nokia with Jolla is just ridicilous. Again Jolla has communicated WAY more than Nokia already.

Infact they have a small team directly connected to the community:

https://sailfishos.org//community.html

They'r are on the big channels like Facebook, twitter, linkedin, IRC but still people complain.

Jolla has several times said to us to get involved in merproject.

If people could more of our non constructive time a TMO to start port apps and get involved in Merproject, it would be way more constuctive way to move forward!

To me it looks there is more active people in whining at TMO than there are active people in the merproject and thats make me wonder if there is a community future et all

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marxian | # 474 | 2013-03-31, 18:41 | Report

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shmerl | # 475 | 2013-03-31, 18:57 | Report

I wouldn't even start comparing Nokia (today) and Jolla. Nokia became M$ vassal and patent troll. Jolla is working on innovate product and developing an open source [eventually] OS. Some rough communication is kind of a problem, but it's not the reason to compare them with Nokia.

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jalyst | # 476 | 2013-04-01, 03:56 | Report

Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post

If people could more of our non constructive time a TMO to start port apps and get involved in Merproject, it would be way more constuctive way to move forward!
To me it looks there is more active people in whining at TMO than there are active people in the merproject and thats make me wonder if there is a community future et all

It's incorrect & unfair to characterise what this initiative was intended to be as non-constructive & whining.
It's now not far from that through no fault of ours, but it could've been so much more...

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mikecomputing | # 477 | 2013-04-01, 08:51 | Report

Originally Posted by jalyst View Post

It's incorrect & unfair to characterise what this initiative was intended to be as non-constructive & whining.
It's now not far from that through no fault of ours, but it could've been so much more...

I did not mean you or the rest who is active setting up question document etc thats a good iniative. But there are many others who already cries about jolla is not open, were is the device and so on. But again patience

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danramos | # 478 | 2013-04-01, 12:53 | Report

Originally Posted by shmerl View Post

I wouldn't even start comparing Nokia (today) and Jolla. Nokia became M$ vassal and patent troll. Jolla is working on innovate product and developing an open source [eventually] OS. Some rough communication is kind of a problem, but it's not the reason to compare them with Nokia.

I think you missed the part where I pointed out how Nokia OVER THE YEARS eventually became the M$ vassal. I am comparing Jolla today to the Nokia of 2007 when I had first started poking around here at InternetTabletTalk/TalkMaemoOrg. In that way, yes--I can make that parallel to my argument.

If Jolla intends to attract the previous Maemo users and developers, it seems to be that TMO is, once again, the place they should be paying attention to. You can argue any point you want, but it doesn't change that.

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jalyst | # 479 | 2013-04-28, 15:16 | Report

Okay, so just now stskeeps (Carsten) has found someone else to engage in this with us, no promises, but they may have time for some limited "back n forth" via the docs.
Probably not too much here, here's where we discuss content relating to the docs, & how to organise content that's being added, or moved elsewhere.
He has forwarded the GDocs links to them, fingers crossed....

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Morpog | # 480 | 2013-04-28, 15:24 | Report

Isn't @cybette (Carol Chen) responsible for Jolla's community relationship?