The article makes a very good point. The company was in much worse shape than everyone (helloooo Symbian lovers) realized. And Nokia got over 7 billion dollars for it. Poor Blackberry will probably be happy to be sold for half of that. That is why Elop was paid that much.....
The article blows a lot of conspiracy theories by outside haters, many actually residing members on this board. It is sad to see how many people mis-represented Elop tenure. He did good, he got paid well.
He handed Nokia to Microsoft. To what end do you consider that as a good job - and to whom?
For Microsoft? Job well done. To the Nokia shareholders - not a good job at all. It's not about Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo, it's about the shareholders, the (former and present) employees and his responsibility to them. And to me, he didn't do a "great" job.
Elop is fantastic. He managed to lose the company, and now the stock is at its highest in almost two years. It's only $1.50 below the last guy's low. Lumiaturd, you're a phvckin' idiot.
He actually saved the company. Got rid of all the Symbian dead wood, crootch scratching coding defective Maemoturds, and Nokia got more money than they ever would have for such a unit.
The article makes a very good point. The company was in much worse shape than everyone (helloooo Symbian lovers) realized.
Did it provide any proof? If not it's just more p155, wind and disinformation.
Do you know what 'guerilla marketing' is? It's a tactic used extensively by large North American corporations. They use "independent" tech bloggers and trolls (much like yourself) to pebble dash the internet with disinformation about how great and innovative they are and how defective and unstable their rivals are. Within Microsoft this process is known as 'the slog'; repeat a lie often enough, spread it widely enough and a sizeable percentage of the unwashed masses will absorb it and believe it to be true. They will repeat it and cite the bogus articles from the "independent" bloggers as their proof. It is this disinformation that people find when they Google related topics.
It's very effective, I've even seen articles in newspapers like the Guardian where it's obvious the author had spent 30 minutes Googling and then repeated the disinformation he'd found without doing the slightest bit of work to verify any of it.
Even the BBC reported yesterday that Samsung are 'catching up with Apple', I couldn't help but wonder what metric they could possibly be measuring. They clearly have bought into the marketing hype (aka bull5h1t) that is Apple's one great strength.
It is sad to see how many people mis-represented Elop tenure. He did good, he got paid well.
I gave Elop far too much credit, I thought his destruction of NOKIA was wilful and his intent was to kill NOKIA and take it's IP to Microsoft as a club to bash Google and Apple with seeing as they couldn't compete on merit. I was wrong. Elop destroyed NOKIA all right but rather than walking away from the wreckage carrying the prize he's walking away from the prize having bought the wreckage.
If you want a measure of his performance (other than Samsung) how about Xiaomi? In the time Elop has been in charge of NOKIA Xiaomi have gone from zero to being valued higher than Microsoft paid for NOKIA and its customer base is overwhelmingly in China. NOKIA had very strong growth in China prior to Elop's disastrous intervention. Can you guess what OS Xiaomi use?
The comparison with BlackBerry is erroneous too imo, prior to BB10 BlackBerrys were just J2ME feature phones linked to a service. You could buy a generic qwerty feature phone comparable to a BlackBerry for < £50. A few years ago loads of UK teenagers had BlackBerrys because they spent a lot of time texting their friends and BBM was miles cheaper than SMS. Now of course they can WhatsApp each other and get it on any device they like so why have a BlackBerry? BlackBerry's services have lost their value, the devices never really had much.
The new BB10 devices are too expensive and it's probably too late for them to lower their sites. NOKIA also went through that, they released flagship after flagship but it wasn't until they released the cheapo 520 (a taliban phone as you'd call it) they actually got something that would sell.
I can certainly see the point, though I do wonder if jumping Android back in 2011 would have made the difference. Can Elop be rewarded for the WP decision? HS seems to argue that the company was in a much worse situation than it was thought already when Elop joined.
If Nokia was in that bad situation, was the plan indeed to sell Nokia right from the start to MS when Elop joined? Not just a secret and evil plan by Elop, but a joint decision inside the company when they took Elop.
In retrospect I do belive that to be the case.
There are some clues that the plan to get rid of Mobile Phones Department was long in the making.
I wondered about it when first the Lumia devices and later the Asha devices came out, it looked a bit funny to me that the models were marketed with emphasis on the new brand name, and the strong Nokia brand was played down. That makes sense if the plan was already to sell the business of to somebody (not microsoft specifically, might be it was unclear back then who the buyer would be)
If this was the plan all along, I have to credit the top management with more respect than I usually give managers of any kind, they had a sharp plan and it was executed with clearheadness.
Did it provide any proof? If not it's just more p155, wind and disinformation.
Do you know what 'guerilla marketing' is? It's a tactic used extensively by large North American corporations. They use "independent" tech bloggers and trolls (much like yourself) to pebble dash the internet with disinformation about how great and innovative they are and how defective and unstable their rivals are. Within Microsoft this process is known as 'the slog'; repeat a lie often enough, spread it widely enough and a sizeable percentage of the unwashed masses will absorb it and believe it to be true. They will repeat it and cite the bogus articles from the "independent" bloggers as their proof. It is this disinformation that people find when they Google related topics.
It's very effective, I've even seen articles in newspapers like the Guardian where it's obvious the author had spent 30 minutes Googling and then repeated the disinformation he'd found without doing the slightest bit of work to verify any of it.
Even the BBC reported yesterday that Samsung are 'catching up with Apple', I couldn't help but wonder what metric they could possibly be measuring. They clearly have bought into the marketing hype (aka bull5h1t) that is Apple's one great strength.
I gave Elop far too much credit, I thought his destruction of NOKIA was wilful and his intent was to kill NOKIA and take it's IP to Microsoft as a club to bash Google and Apple with seeing as they couldn't compete on merit. I was wrong. Elop destroyed NOKIA all right but rather than walking away from the wreckage carrying the prize he's walking away from the prize having bought the wreckage.
If you want a measure of his performance (other than Samsung) how about Xiaomi? In the time Elop has been in charge of NOKIA Xiaomi have gone from zero to being valued higher than Microsoft paid for NOKIA and its customer base is overwhelmingly in China. NOKIA had very strong growth in China prior to Elop's disastrous intervention. Can you guess what OS Xiaomi use?
The comparison with BlackBerry is erroneous too imo, prior to BB10 BlackBerrys were just J2ME feature phones linked to a service. You could buy a generic qwerty feature phone comparable to a BlackBerry for < £50. A few years ago loads of UK teenagers had BlackBerrys because they spent a lot of time texting their friends and BBM was miles cheaper than SMS. Now of course they can WhatsApp each other and get it on any device they like so why have a BlackBerry? BlackBerry's services have lost their value, the devices never really had much.
The new BB10 devices are too expensive and it's probably too late for them to lower their sites. NOKIA also went through that, they released flagship after flagship but it wasn't until they released the cheapo 520 (a taliban phone as you'd call it) they actually got something that would sell.
Are you saying that the Finnish article is spam? On the contrary, it is very cogent in discussing why ELOP got so much more money than previous CEOs. And it says what many suspected that reliance on Symbian and waiting for too long to make a change made Nokia rotten to the core. ELOP got them over 7 billion for rotten business. And they kept their IP. He did a great job for them. It's all dollar and cents, and you and I are not privy to that accounting
Are you saying that the Finnish article is spam? On the contrary, it is very cogent in discussing why ELOP got so much more money than previous CEOs. And it says what many suspected that reliance on Symbian and waiting for too long to make a change made Nokia rotten to the core. ELOP got them over 7 billion for rotten business. And they kept their IP. He did a great job for them.
It's a justification piece on behalf of a board who were complicit in the destruction of NOKIA.
There are two possible reasons the board went along with Elop's absurd plan that would inevitably result in the failure of NOKIA:
1) They were utterly incompetent cretins who couldn't see Elop's real motive
2) They received personal inducements
In the same way Elop so ridiculously retrospectively tried to use Samsung's success as justification for his m0r0n1c strategy, even though in reality so much of Samsung's success was really due to him effectively withdrawing NOKIA from the competition, the board are now spouting shite in order to justify their roles in the carnage.
Windows Mobile had already been comprehensively spanked by Symbian, WinCE Phone 7 was never going to succeed. Everybody but you knew that, I still recall your laughable comments at the time about it being exactly what the majority wants.
Elop's 'burning platforms' press release and Feb 2011 announcement were clearly calculated to do maximum possible damage to NOKIA. Even when HTC slavishly copied the Lumias Elop's response was to fawn over them and welcome them to the 'Windows Phone ecosystem'. It should be obvious to everyone who he was really working for.
It's all dollar and cents, and you and I are not privy to that accounting
Oh, well how convenient! Their published accounts show there was no need for panic reactions but if only we were allowed to see their super special secret accounts we'd all agree lumbering NOKIA with a foul stinking turd of an OS that nobody likes was a great idea.
It's a justification piece on behalf of a board who were complicit in the destruction of NOKIA.
There are two possible reasons the board went along with Elop's absurd plan that would inevitably result in the failure of NOKIA:
1) They were utterly incompetent cretins who couldn't see Elop's real motive
2) They received personal inducements
In the same way Elop so ridiculously retrospectively tried to use Samsung's success as justification for his m0r0n1c strategy, even though in reality so much of Samsung's success was really due to him effectively withdrawing NOKIA from the competition, the board are now spouting shite in order to justify their roles in the carnage.
Windows Mobile had already been comprehensively spanked by Symbian, WinCE Phone 7 was never going to succeed. Everybody but you knew that, I still recall your laughable comments at the time about it being exactly what the majority wants.
Elop's 'burning platforms' press release and Feb 2011 announcement were clearly calculated to do maximum possible damage to NOKIA. Even when HTC slavishly copied the Lumias Elop's response was to fawn over them and welcome them to the 'Windows Phone ecosystem'. It should be obvious to everyone who he was really working for.
Oh, well how convenient! Their published accounts show there was no need for panic reactions but if only we were allowed to see their super special secret accounts we'd all agree lumbering NOKIA with a foul stinking turd of an OS that nobody likes was a great idea.
agree. Symbian stank so bad in 2009 and later, that the whole devices unit became radioactive
