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	joerg_rw	2014-06-01 , 13:30
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Originally Posted by ed00

I was thinking would simple money transfer service work ?
something like : http://www.riafinancial.com/global/s...-transfer.aspx
it has locations all over the world : https://www.riamoneytransfer.com/ria-locator
This might simplify the whole donation process
You can even send ca$h

Yes, as I understand it this service at least allows CC payments to international bank accounts(!) for US citizens - already a great option for all those US donors who can't use anything but CC.

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	endsormeans	2014-06-04 , 19:48
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Originally Posted by endsormeans

This is true...
The only way I could ever ever ever possibly be upset ...would be that my donation money got stuck in a legality limbo and not get used for what the intention was.

Well just received email.
Though gdc cannot (understandably) at this moment recommend it...(since the neo900 ug donation conditions are diff. and there are understandable uncertainties...)...and putting in the notes the transfer info... they will attempt the transfer (saying there aren't any probs along the way with transferring) ..
This is great...it means that donations won't be drained by multiple processing fees.,,

correction ...possibly great for those who didn't use cc .
Credit card donations get returned to the card.
Not sure at the end of all this how much will be left once it reaches neo900 ug...
after the fee eating services take their chunk ..

UPDATE: Recorrection

From at least my sitch...
GDC DID refund my remaining cc donation to Neo900 UG.
Great! Just got confirmation.

Hehe...I was unsure whether it went to Neo900 UG or considering some confusion surrounding how cc donations were to be handled...and certain particular circumstances if it would make it/ had made it back to the credit card...
naturally figuring it eventually went to the credit card...

So..of course... I directly transferred another 100 Euros last Saturday.
I don't want it back ...the fees taken along the way will just accumulate.
If we go to 1st run production ...just consider my 200 Euro donation/deposit (minus of course.. all the devel, r+d and necessary bla-bla-bla

)and and apply it to my final bill.
Hopefully that sounds adequate.

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sulu	2014-06-04 , 20:41
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A question just popped up in my head:
If someone donated more than 100 Euros to GDC and now got his refund (-13.2%), how do you track who donated how much and therefore how much discount he gets on the final device due to already spent R&D contributions?

Example (disregarding the bonus):
If person A donated exactly 100 Euros in the first place then his R&D contribution would be 13.20 Euros. So if the final device would cost 700 Euros he'd still have to pay 686.80 Euros.
If person B donated 200 Euros his R&D contribution would be 26.40 Euros, and therefore he'd still have to pay 673,60 Euros.

Do you have an agreement with GDC to transfer this kind of info? And if you have, how do you manage the organisational overhead this certainly brings?

Personally I'd be fine to consider this difference a true donation, but others might not be.

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	endsormeans	2014-06-04 , 21:04
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The math doesn't make sense..

Person A.donates 100 Euros minus 13 =if the final device would cost 700 Euros he'd still have to pay 686.80 Euros.
Ok...wo--wowowo no how does your math make sense period...so where does the other 84 euros out of the 100 donated go?

donate 200 Euros minus 26 (understandably mathematically proportionate ..as being 2x that 13%....not sure if that is exactly what is done...but for arguement ...lets say ...sure....)

So...If person B donated 200 Euros his R&D contribution would be 26.40 Euros, and therefore he'd still have to pay 673,60 Euros.
200 Euros donated you get a grand bill out of an initial 700 euros as having to STILL pay 673? That is messed up math man.

And How did you come up with the same final billing shy of 13euros difference for both parties even though one donated double the amount?
Your basic math here is flawed

By this estimation a person making a donation/ deposit of say 700 Euros would be contributing 91 Euros and his final bill would be 609 Euros. Not only is the math flawed ...it is blatantly unfair as the individual who donated 100 euros definitely isn't paying anything proportionately....wheras the individual dumping money by the bucket to help fund this devel has to hemorrhage MORE money to fall further behind.
Very bad math... which if applied.... would dictate ANY donation would be folly.

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sulu	2014-06-04 , 21:27
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Originally Posted by endsormeans

And How did you come up with the same final billing shy of 13euros difference for both parties even though one donated double the amount?

It assumes you got your donation back from GDC instead of having it transfered to Neo900 UG directly.
This way you get everything back except those 13.2% R&D, which ist 13.20 Euros for an initial 100 Euro donation and 26.40 Euro for a 200 Euro donation.
To pay the device again (this time to the UG instead of GDC) you have to pay the assumed 700 Euros minus your still valid 13.2% R&D contribution, which differs in absolute amount depending on how much you donated in the first place.

Edit:
Maybe this example makes it easier to understand:
Lets not talk about the final price but about your 100+ Euro donation.
If you initially donated 100 Euros you got 86.20 Euro back from GDC and have to pay those 86.80 Euros to the UG to make it valid again.
But if you donated 200 Euros and now decide to not donate the full 200 Euros again but only the basic 100 Euros you do not have to pay 86.80 Euros but 73.60 Euros because your 2x 13.20 Euros R&D are still in the pool.

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	dos1	2014-06-04 , 21:29
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Originally Posted by sulu

It assumes you got your donation back from GDC instead of having it transfered to Neo900 UG directly.
This way you get everything back except those 13.2% R&D, which ist 13.20 Euros for an initial 100 Euro donation and 26.40 Euro for a 200 Euro donation.
To pay the device again (this time to the UG instead of GDC) you have to pay the assumed 700 Euros minus your still valid 13.2% R&D contribution, which differs in absolute amount depending on how much you donated in the first place.

That's why we ask donors to provide the invoice from GDC, so we can know exactly when and how much was donated back then.

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	endsormeans	2014-06-04 , 21:51
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Originally Posted by sulu

It assumes you got your donation back from GDC instead of having it transfered to Neo900 UG directly.
This way you get everything back except those 13.2% R&D, which ist 13.20 Euros for an initial 100 Euro donation and 26.40 Euro for a 200 Euro donation.
To pay the device again (this time to the UG instead of GDC) you have to pay the assumed 700 Euros minus your still valid 13.2% R&D contribution, which differs in absolute amount depending on how much you donated in the first place.

Ah I see where you are coming from now...
yes....do not forget too the cost to the individual here.
As example...thankfully my initial donation got forwarded on to neo900 ug...since if it had made it back to the card....for myself...saying ..if (by sheer luck) no additional fees were applied when it got back to me and I then took that refund of 84 euros went to my bank it will now cost me AN ADDITIONAL 20+ Euros (regardless of the amount I am sending) to bank transfer that 84 Euros to Neo900 UG
So thankfully (at least for myself ) the money was simply transferred from GDC to Neo900 UG....because that would have been extraordinarily exceptional waste.

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	pichlo	2014-06-04 , 22:30
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Originally Posted by peterleinchen

That smells like total BS from CDN banks.

Not just CDN. It might be simpler within the eurozone but here in the UK an international transfer is a major undertaking. Different banks have different requirements (and different charges) but all of them require, on top of the IBAN and SWIFT codes, at least the full account name, the name and address of the account holder and the name and address of the bank where the money is going.

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	endsormeans	2014-06-04 , 22:32
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Yup........

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	joerg_rw	2014-06-04 , 22:48
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Neo900 UG will remember every single cent you donated, no matter to whom and what it been spent for. We want to make sure you won't regret having donated

The final price of device will include and cover any R&D expense, as well as BOM expense and production cost and management ($this) and shipping cost, etc. And from that we, for example, might charge you only the remaining amount, after we subtracted the money you donated and we virtually will have refunded to you same moment you will regularly order the device when sales open. The details of how to establish this have still to get specified by my lawyer and tax adviser since we definitely need to do this in a way that's absolutely legal and correct, but in the end you will be happy having donated.

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Last edited by joerg_rw; 2014-06-05 at 04:27.