Morpog | # 661 | 2014-11-28, 20:14 | Report

Downvoted, even if my heart told me to upvote it.

Dave999 | # 662 | 2014-11-28, 20:16 | Report

Haha...you just contributed to Microsoft. you might actully paying Elops Salary. Think before you are paying next time

Seriously...If jolla must pay Microsoft they have to use their funds either way so jollas does it matter what money jolla are using? You still paying for it indirect, money got mixed and you can't trace "your" money so relax and let jolla use its tiny streams of money to where it's needed.

Instead I think you should request to make sure jolla using fair phone from manufacturer and material. But if you ask 1000 founders you get 1000 different request so...

Either way. GL with your request. If you are happy, we are happy.

I'm almost happy!

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shmerl | # 663 | 2014-11-28, 20:23 | Report

My friends surely are I helped quite a few to install Linux.

shmerl | # 664 | 2014-11-28, 20:25 | Report

My expectation is that most backers are interested in open technology. It doesn't mean they are necessarily tech savvy. And such people wouldn't appreciate sending their funds to an entity like MS and perpetuating exFAT lock-in. It's not really about tech savviness, but about why would people support Jolla's campaign rather than going and buying any of the tablets which are already on the market? I see it as voting with your wallet, and as such funding MS is like negating that vote.

Of course I may be wrong and people just fund for whatever other reasons. I'm just expressing what I expect.

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juiceme | # 665 | 2014-11-28, 20:52 | Report

Same here.

In fact, I delibrately and vocally refuse to support windows even when asked.
Instead I help people to install Linux distros and actively support people who use them.
And it might come as a surprise to you but I manage that easily even though the number of installations is fairly large.

MartinK | # 666 | 2014-11-29, 02:33 | Report

BTW, what about UDF? Apparently it should be supported by Windows at least and should handle big filesystem sizes just fine.

ste-phan | # 667 | 2014-11-29, 14:19 | Report

Thanks and let's pay MS with equal currency.

I got plenty of people off MSN in favour of Skype in since 2003, I will get them off Skype, don't worry.

To help solve the exFat issue for non technical users, why not add a stretch goal to make available now a few ultra-fast, correctly pre-formatted OEM SDXC cards with white screen printed Jolla logo on it.

It will fill up the somewhat empty Jolla shop and cost much less.

And unlike with a 20Euro "transport perk" for the tablet, Jolla users can use those SD cards in the Jolla phone already.


Besides, why is it that copying stuff from USB still goes so slow under Windows 7 compared to Linux on older hardware.. Sometimes MS makes it so easy to justify using an alternative.

benny1967 | # 668 | 2014-11-29, 14:24 | Report

You're not helping your case ...



(And it's GNU/Linux, not Linux.)

Copernicus | # 669 | 2014-11-29, 14:43 | Report

Ahem. It's just "Linux", thank you very much. That's the name Linus gave his kernel; it's Stallman, the man who cares about "freedom", who wants go around renaming other people's work.

If you really want to come up with a contributors-aware name for a complete Linux distribution, the correct one would be "AT&T/Berkeley/MIT/GNU/Torvalds/AndManyManyOthers/Linux". It ain't just GNU inside there.

benny1967 | # 670 | 2014-11-29, 15:02 | Report

The kernel is just one piece of the whole. You don't call it "BlueZ" just because the Bluetooth subsystem is BlueZ. The main achievement, the thing that started it all, was the idea to have a free operating system; more than that: the clear definition of what freedom in this context meant. This started 1983/1984 with the GNU project, which led to the GPL. Software projects come and go. It's Stallman's vision that drives it all and remains the only constant in the end. Without him, there'd be no Ubuntu, no Debian and no Sailfish OS. Nobody would remember a young finnish guy who experimented with a kernel in the early 1990s if this kernel wouldn't have fit the ecosystem so perfectly that others had already created.

People only tend attribute everything to Torvalds because he's better looking and aggressively marketing himself. He has the social skills that RMS lacks. That doesn't mean his version of history is true.