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JulmaHerra | # 231 | 2015-01-29, 20:15 | Report

The decision to drop exfat is most unfortunate from compatibility point of view. I'm afraid it will have negative impact on adoption rate because average user will not be convinced just by saying "oh, you don't have to pay for Microsoft!!" Hopefully our foss-fanatics are happy now that we can have our own, incompatible geek-way to annoy average users, so we can express some creativity in explaining why it's good thing. Luckily, SDXC is not that common yet, so it might take some time before serious issues arise - but be assured, this decision will definitely not receive any understanding or mercy in hands of reviewers.

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Dave999 | # 232 | 2015-01-29, 20:16 | Report

It's says nowhere that 2,5 3G stretch goal got an end date. So I guess we are still in business.

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benny1967 | # 233 | 2015-01-29, 20:22 | Report

Originally Posted by nthn View Post

To be fair, you didn't pay for a stretch goal, you paid for a tablet.

Actually, I didn't even pay for a tablet. I just donated money and hope(d) for the best. Indiegogo isn't a webshop.

At the time when it all happened, I trusted Jolla, though. And I thought that when they'd announce something, I could rely on it.

Originally Posted by nthn View Post

Said stretch goal also never mentioned anything about using a specific kind of filesystem format.

No, because

µSD SD > 32Gb by definition is SDXC+exFAT and
any experimental btrfs/ext4/...-filesystem on SD-cards is already supported on SailfishOS and doesn't need more funding for either development or licensing.

Originally Posted by nthn View Post

When that goal was reached, a poll was made on TJC, where reaction to a proprietary filesystem was lukewarm at best.

The poll was useless after the goal was reached because the goal was reached. Also, given the thousands of supporters for the tablet, the number of votes on any of the suggestions in said thread can be safely ignored. Even after having said that: Of the three most popular answers in this poll, two support exFAT.

Originally Posted by nthn View Post

However, again, as long as the SD card remains inside the tablet, you never, ever, need to worry about which filesystem the SD card uses (and why would you take out the SD card anyway, it's so small it would get lost immediately)..

Why have removable storage if you don't remove it? The whole point of the SD card is to get swapped from one device to another.

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rcolistete | # 234 | 2015-01-29, 20:42 | Report

Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post

So that was it. I don't trust them any more. I paid for a stretch goal to achieve standard-compliant SD-support >32GB. (For non-standard solutions like Ext4, no stretch goal would have been needed. They work already, many people use them today on their Jolla phones.).

In 27/11/2014 Jolla Tablet campaign said :

Originally Posted by

Goal #1 - $1,500,000: MicroSDHC support up to 128GB
Once we reach the first goal, every Jolla Tablet will be upgraded to support microSDHC cards up to 128GB! You’ll never have to worry about running out of space again. Currently Jolla Tablet supports cards up to 32GB, besides having 32GB internal storage.

So the stretch goal was to support 128GB microSD.

Now Jolla Tablet Indiegogo site says :

Originally Posted by

We would also like to say thanks in helping us reach the stretch goal of $1.5M and enabling support for microSD cards up to 128GB. This perk generated a tremendous amount of discussion and at Jolla we are definitely listening.
We’ve decided to move forward with an open source memory card solution. This enables you to use memory cards up to 128GB on your Jolla Tablet for back-ups and extra storage. Due to Microsoft’s licensing limitation, cards over 32GB, that are formatted in Jolla Tablet, will not be readable with Windows computers or devices that advertise microSDXC support (cameras/phones/tablets). We feel that this suits best with our community's wishes and Jolla's values.

I.e., microSD up to 128GB will be supported by Jolla Tablet (not just 32GB as before), but not using exFAT from Microsoft license. I suppose there will be an easy-to-use format option in Sailfish 2.0 Settings with FAT32 (up to 32GB microSD), EXT4 and/or BTRFS (for any microSD size). Currently, to format a microSD in Sailfish it is needed to use CLI commands :
https://together.jolla.com/question/...icrosdxc-card/

So Jolla listened to the community open-source wishes, discussed here, in TJC, etc.

Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post

Can somebody please tell me what my money was used for? Certainly not for the advertised goal. So what reason would I have to trust them with this new campaign? You pay for an alleged 64GB version, and in 2 months they decide that the whole thing got a re-design again and doesn't need that much memory any more because of whatever clever software design trick. You paid for 64GB on Indiegogo? No money back, sorry.

You are mixing stretch goal with perk. When you perk you select a product in some configuration, like Jolla Tablet with 64GB.

Anyway, the microSD 128GB stretch goal will be honored. But not using exFAT.

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peterleinchen | # 235 | 2015-01-29, 20:42 | Report

Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post

The decision to drop exfat is most unfortunate from compatibility point of view. I'm afraid it will have negative impact on adoption rate because average user will not be convinced just by saying "oh, you don't have to pay for Microsoft!!" Hopefully our foss-fanatics are happy now that we can have our own, incompatible geek-way to annoy average users, so we can express some creativity in explaining why it's good thing. Luckily, SDXC is not that common yet, so it might take some time before serious issues arise - but be assured, this decision will definitely not receive any understanding or mercy in hands of reviewers.

The best and (as I see it) most matching comment to that TJC debacle!

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szopin | # 236 | 2015-01-29, 20:48 | Report

Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post

so we can express some creativity in explaining why it's good thing

If FOSDEM is gonna look like this, I swear I'll pull my exFAT 128GB card from my camera

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rcolistete | # 237 | 2015-01-29, 20:49 | Report

Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post

Add to that, I paid for 3G that was never on the table like ubuntu edge which was refunded in full. Instead two fake stretch goals. I want my money back and buy a$200 kebab instead.

No, you haven't payed for 3G, you have not selected a Jolla Tablet perk with 3G, because there wasn't that option. There was a strech goal of US$2.5 million to have 3G, i.e., if reached, there would be additional perks with Jolla Tablet 3G and to include 3G capability to previous Jolla Tablet perks. Like Jolla Tablet 32GB->64GB costing US$25.

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mscion | # 238 | 2015-01-29, 20:53 | Report

Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post

Please add a 3g perk.

Personally, couldn't care less about the 3g. Tethering (using LTE here) is fine as I carry my phone with me all the time anyways. Plus I would have to pay extra to carrier to get the 3g for the tablet. Also glad the extra memory option is being made available. Also good with ext4. I'm happy.

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benny1967 | # 239 | 2015-01-29, 20:54 | Report

Originally Posted by rcolistete View Post

I.e., microSD up to 128GB will be supported by Jolla Tablet (not just 32GB as before)

There seems to be a misunderstanding. I am not an engineer, nor have I ever disassembled SD-cards and -slots, so I might still be wrong. But: From all I read on the web, SDHC cards (up to 32GB) and SDXC cards (above 32GB) are electronically identical and differ only in the file system used.

So if the original tablet concept included a µSD-slot that was capable of handling cards up to 32GB, it was already capable of handling cards up to 128GB without any further change - as long as those cards didn't comply to the standards and specifications and weren't formated as exFAT.

So it is my understanding (and I'd really be happy to be proven wrong) that when you write "not just 32GB as before", it's just not true. It was always more than 32GB. Even the Jolla phone can handle cards above 32GB with file systems other than exFAT.

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MINKIN2 | # 240 | 2015-01-29, 20:58 | Report

Well, £15 for an extra 32gb and a bit more battery life ain't that bad, I guess? Does seem like this might be the start of an installment plan, some of us have already bought the case as an extra.

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