Originally Posted by sondjata

Ummm no.
Office for Mac makes MS a nice piece of change.

Originally Posted by aflegg

Yes, and it's a matter of *law* that Microsof achieved that dominant position through a series of canny business decisions, borderline unethical business practices and downright illegal abuse of any power it did have.

And it was this lack of belief in the product by the rest of IBM's business that led the "PC" to actually becoming a success. There was a need for a respectable desktop machine, and the IBM name gave it that level of acceptability.

The openness of the design, caused by it being thrown together on a shoe string using off-the-shelf parts, allowed the clones to rise up; and the non-exclusive deal MS had to allow them to provide the same OS to these clones.

I think Nokia's Internet Tablets will be Psion to the Hildon Symbian. Lots of people will use Hildon, as it's now spun off to its own GNOME upstream project. It's being used in Moblin and Ubuntu Mobile, as we know - and more are bound to follow.

However, these guys using it are customising it, designing UIs around it and recognising that good UIs sell devices and get users. Ubuntu Mobile is already more open than Maemo: you just have to follow the mailing lists to see that there's no talk of keeping such-and-such closed to "protect their IP". Nokia are open: but they're not open enough. They design a UI based on that on the failed 7710, for market continuity. That's as crazy as Sun thinking people want all Java apps to look the same on any platform with their god awful Metal PLAF.

Nokia may well have recreated the PDA market with decentish web browser and coolly hackable devices. But Apple, Ubuntu and Intel will rule the roost with consumer devices we won't worry about recommending to friends or colleagues.

This is a strawman. In this forum we don't care if Nokia as a phone company go bust, do well or anything else. We only care about Nokia's Maemo devices. Which, if you're playing the numbers game, have a tiny percentage of the market compared with the iPhone, iPod Touch - probably the abysmally selling UMPCs - and, inevitably, the MID-style devices.

1) Again, who's talking about Nokia's phone range? Who cares? The point of the Internet Tablets, according to Ari Jaaksi et al is that you have a small phone which you can use to make calls (oh, and manage your calendar, apparently ;-)) which you use as a gateway out. The brand of phone is as interesting to me as what make my ADSL modem is.

2) That's one too many time you've suggested people who disagree with you aren't capable of discussing such topics rationally and intellectually. Please stop that.

Cheers,

Andrew

Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

It might be interesting to know that Windows (with its DOS predecessor) is practically the only software product Microsoft has ever managed to make money on. Even Office doesn't generate money. And the only reason Windows makes money, is because pc makers are still practically obliged to bundle it with their stuff, a position Microsoft achieved by simply breaking the law and "coercing" governments to do nothing until any legal action was too late to make a difference.

Originally Posted by Texrat

<snipped> clarification about MS

Originally Posted by Texrat

I do agree with the remainder of your post though.

Originally Posted by Texrat

I do find it funny that I make a very simple observation about Mil's IT friends post and it garners so many harsh rebuttals... especially attempts to draw me off onto one tangent after another. I stand by my original premise: IT folks are more likely to find the N800 suitable to helping them with support work than an iPhone or iPod. I'm still waiting for someone to counter that instead of attacking ME or trying to pull me into side topics.

Originally Posted by ysss

those people attacking Texrat better rethink what it is they're trying to achieve and get to the point.

Originally Posted by Texrat

I stand by my original premise: IT folks are more likely to find the N800 suitable to helping them with support work than an iPhone or iPod. I'm still waiting for someone to counter that instead of attacking ME or trying to pull me into side topics.

PS: If you have personal problems with me or what I write, I'd prefer you take it up with me in a private message, thanks.

Originally Posted by SD69

Ah, it's not that the premise is wrong; it's the fact that your defense of the NIT has been reduced or shifted to this premise that is noteworthy. With the second generation, Nokia positioned the NIT as an Nseries multimedia device (added the webcam, Rhapsody, Skype, etc.). And now when another multimedia device comes along, and Apple and Nokia would seem to be directly competing on devices and services, you now defend the NIT as being for helping "IT folks with support work." They were not the target customer base for the N800, so it says something that that is now your argument (along with "be patient and wait for the future third party SW development" argument).

Originally Posted by Texrat

I won't address the bulk of your post because you're getting into mechanics and my points were not intended to go in that direction.

2. You are reading far too much into that line. It was not meant in the way you take it. I did NOT make the statement you allege, nor is any such meaning stated or implied. Period.

[...]the many ill-conceived comparisons between iProducts and the tablets[...]

[...]those claiming Nokia will not be able to respond to Apple's challenge-- [...] such statements display a severe lack of understanding of the subject. It has nothing at all to do with "agreeing with me", but rather, doing one's homework and making an effort to grasp the subject in which one elects to engage.

I quite frankly do not understand your persistent animosity toward me Andrew. I believe it to be completely unwarranted and can't understand why you consistently look for ulterior motives and meanings that aren't in my posts.

PS: If you have personal problems with me or what I write, I'd prefer you take it up with me in a private message, thanks.

I do find it funny that I make a very simple observation about Mil's IT friends post and it garners so many harsh rebuttals... especially attempts to draw me off onto one tangent after another. I stand by my original premise: IT folks are more likely to find the N800 suitable to helping them with support work than an iPhone or iPod. I'm still waiting for someone to counter that instead of attacking ME or trying to pull me into side topics.

"We are excited about creating a vibrant third party developer community around the iPhone and enabling hundreds of new applications for our users," said Mr Jobs.

He added that it would take until February to release a software development kit (SDK), as Apple both wanted to "provide an advanced and open platform", at the same time as protecting iPhone users from viruses and privacy attacks.

The SDK will also allow developers to make applications for the iPod touch, which uses the same underlying architecture as the iPhone.