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    eson | # 271 | 2016-06-07, 14:36 | Report

    I was thinking about some sort of cover for the Jolla C, and found this...


    https://www.conrad.de/de/bugatti-boo...z-1387348.html

    ...could it be suitable, while waiting for the real thing?

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    bluefoot | # 272 | 2016-06-07, 19:20 | Report

    Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
    Not really; if anything, Dalvik has at least one additional abstraction layer over a "native SF app".

    My experience is completely contrary to yours, anyway.
    Then why do Android Apps in AD not suffer any kind of performance penalty and work nominally, but Sailfish apps the opposite (and UT not).

    No your experience is not. Everyone's is the same.

    I see we're back to pretending that major problems do not exist. I seem to recall you were party to the original discussions about this, and had no answer for it then, and don't now.

    @MartinK

    Ubuntu Touch's UI needs serious work. That's slow / stuttery. Native apps, or more particularly the browser are very quick and make proper use of all available resources - moreso than in Android, vastly more so than SF.

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    Win7Mac | # 273 | 2016-06-07, 19:22 | Report

    Originally Posted by eson View Post
    I was thinking about some sort of cover for the Jolla C, and found this...

    https://img.conrad.de/medias/global/...B.EPS_1000.jpg
    https://www.conrad.de/de/bugatti-boo...z-1387348.html

    ...could it be suitable, while waiting for the real thing?
    Are there any other Intex/Aqua phones with same size?

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    szopin | # 274 | 2016-06-07, 19:25 | Report

    Originally Posted by bluefoot View Post
    Then why do Android Apps in AD not suffer any kind of performance penalty and work nominally, but Sailfish apps the opposite (and UT not).

    No your experience is not. Everyone's is the same.

    I see we're back to pretending that major problems do not exist. I seem to recall you were party to the original discussions about this, and had no answer for it then, and don't now.

    @MartinK

    Ubuntu Touch's UI needs serious work. That's slow / stuttery. Native apps, or more particularly the browser are very quick and make proper use of all available resources - moreso than in Android, vastly more so than SF.
    That's because the whole OS is a browser

    edit: love how your experience trumps everyone elses, here a vid of iOS (so quick and instant) reddit app launching:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE9J75POtYE
    0:19-0:22 to get the initial screen, 2 second on Jolla with quickditt, totally slow and useless and on non-anecdote level, bluefoot waits 5 seconds for the quickditt to launch (sure, no idea if it has more features, but surely trumps sailfish, it's just slow I read on a forum)

    edit2: android variants:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9YzB5j1_64
    0:24-0:29 (though at least the main window is loaded by 26, so 2s as SFOS)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS6UPDCEIyI
    0:06-0:11 (main window again at least displays in 1-2 seconds)

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    KylliOrvokki | # 275 | 2016-06-08, 06:24 | Report

    Originally Posted by eson View Post
    Is the party hackable?
    It's (not) surprising how one can get to places just by asking nicely.


    Opening apps in Jolla and general use is quite fast even with Jolla 1. Based on "much" feeling with daily use with 3 phones. Iphone 6 plus and Jolla 1, SailfishOs port on Oneplus One.

    Default browser is "slow". How much optimization is default browser lacking compared to Firefox? etc.
    https://wiki.mozilla.org/E10s

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    eson | # 276 | 2016-06-08, 06:33 | Report

    Originally Posted by Win7Mac View Post
    Are there any other Intex/Aqua phones with same size?
    Donīt know for sure, but if there is, they're probably not accessible from Europe. Intex is an India only company, as far as I know.

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    abranson | # 277 | 2016-06-08, 21:56 | Report

    Originally Posted by bluefoot View Post
    Then why do Android Apps in AD not suffer any kind of performance penalty and work nominally, but Sailfish apps the opposite (and UT not).

    No your experience is not. Everyone's is the same.

    I see we're back to pretending that major problems do not exist. I seem to recall you were party to the original discussions about this, and had no answer for it then, and don't now.

    @MartinK

    Ubuntu Touch's UI needs serious work. That's slow / stuttery. Native apps, or more particularly the browser are very quick and make proper use of all available resources - moreso than in Android, vastly more so than SF.
    Any actual link to the details though? I'm not just citation needing, I'm actually interested to see some technical details of your problem, if there are any available. I've asked around people running Sailfish on 4-core phones such as the Fairphone 2 if they've seen it be limited to 2-cores like you said, but they don't really. Everyone seems to think that Sailfish apps perform better than AD.

    I don't see the point in downplaying Sailfish for Ubuntu Touch or vice versa. They're practically siblings, and need to support each other if they're going to stand the slightest chance against the big players. They're both so similar that they can share app sources, and they're targeting different markets so they needn't feel threatened by each other. This bickering is futile.

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    KylliOrvokki | # 278 | 2016-06-09, 06:57 | Report

    Originally Posted by abranson View Post
    Any actual link to the details though?
    Following Nexus 5 port progress I remembered this:
    http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...&postcount=383
    Maybe this is what is referred here?

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    r0kk3rz | # 279 | 2016-06-09, 08:15 | Report

    Originally Posted by KylliOrvokki View Post
    Default browser is "slow". How much optimization is default browser lacking compared to Firefox? etc.
    https://wiki.mozilla.org/E10s
    SFOS Browser has been using E10s since the beginning, so now that its close to being used in Firefox by default we might see some more progress on optimization of it.

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    romu | # 280 | 2016-06-09, 08:28 | Report

    I've got an iPhone 5S with iOS 9.3. And to be honest, I hope it would be way faster than the SFOS stock browser, it's not stellar.

    IMHO, the major concern about the SFOS browser is it runs a totally outdated Gecko engine and more and more websites are just not browsable.

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