Originally Posted by ivgalvez

It took a lot of time to go through all this nonsense and bitterness. Time we need for more important stuff.

Arie: all this distinctions you are making about the "Harmattan" community and naming yourself as their representative is pretty sad.

I don't want to enter into this game of FUD and childish arguments.

The fact is that the Community Awards criteria and selection process have been publicly discussed for weeks before the submissions start, both at TMO and mailing list and no one has expressed any concern about it except, precisely, the members of the Council.

Two options were proposed, first one that applying members of the Council wouldn't get any involvement in CA decision, leaving Woody as only judge (we questioned Quim if he wanted to be part of jury but he declined). Second option was that Councillors wouldn't vote for themselves but will help in organizing and selecting the rest of candidates.

Second option was chosen. I can presume Arie would have protested also on first one saying that only one person deciding was dictatorial.

Regarding the voting process, I can say that at first round only 16 people were selected as winners and that 2 of 4 Councillors applying didn't enter that list. Even more, it was needed to go to final round of voting and agreement to include the fourth candidate into the winners list.

It's absolutely understandable that anyone could prefer any other candidates to some of the selected ones. Precisely, we had different opinions on who deserved the prizes, but at the end, we have reached consensus and this Council is going to speak with one voice, so we won't publish our preferences or personal votes on candidates.

Originally Posted by nicolai

All those people complaining about the judging process:
You are to late! You should have raised your hand weeks ago.

You all did know that the council members would decide about the
community award and you all know that there were council members
running for it.

What's the point in waiting after the final decisions was made?

Originally Posted by lma

Wouldn't it be be better if council members just stepped aside for their own award nomination, but the entire council decided the rest?

Originally Posted by Estel

@lma
Sounds reasonable. We'll discuss this in next council meeting - completely stepping down (of submitting Councilors) from deciding was a way for maintaining transparency, but Your idea sounds like better option.

/Estel

Originally Posted by geneven

I (really) hate to say this, but the right way to handle this is for the whole council to be ineligible. Oh well, what's wrong with making your first important act in office distributing booty to a fellow member of the Power Elite? Never Mind...

Originally Posted by Estel

@geneven
Well, being ineligible was my my first proposition, even before election - at the correct place, where such serious things are discussed with reasonable people, i.e. mailing list.

To my pleasant surprise, 100% of feedback was like "there is no problem with councilor applying for device", and even few voices like "Councilors should receive devices by default, as without mentioned past contributions, they wouldn't be elected".

After all, there was 100% consensus, that submissions by Councilors are OK, and submitting Councilor should just step down from deciding about his own submissions. I've also asked qgil, and he haven't presented any objections.
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But, *of course*, it was predictable, that someone is going to create mini-dramas about it on TMO Judging by Your comments for past few weeks/months, it seems, that You feel quite comfortable in trollish such shoes?

@Dave999
I don't know who deleted your post, but whoever did it, had much rationale to do so - You've not, apparently, spared 30 seconds to read about rules for submissions. BTW, congratulations on self-thanks, whichever way You achieved it

/Estel

Originally Posted by SD69

Hello,

It is unfortunate there is so much concern at this point.

When it was announced that community awards would be self-nominations only (I expressed my opinion that the awards also allow nominations of others but that option was decided against), I volunteered to step aside from the judging process.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=20

AFAIK, no one asked me to step aside. I also repeated this to remaining council after that, and there was no request to step aside.

I believe I would have received an award even if I had not participated in the decision making (recall that several people on Council had nominated me for council). So I don't think I personally benefited from my participation, and I do think the selection process was improved because of my participation.

This is the first free maemo device that I have ever received despite much community service. Several people requested, and were awarded, devices who already had one free device and I would rather that the process hadn't allow for that. We even got requests from people who received a free device, broken it, and were asking for another. And requests for an N9 from people who already had an N950. I have neither. We got requests from people who were obviously being greedy or who had walked away from the community or who otherwise clearly didn't deserve it. And some people didn't request a device who I thought could have rightfully done so. Trying to be as objective as I can, I do not think my award should be controversial.

Also, if Quim Gil or other Nokia representative had decided these awards, they almost certainly would have automatically included all of Council. In the early years, council automatically received free sponsorships to maemo conferences and free devices. This time was a bit different because the process was more transparent and everyone had to apply in public. I think the transparent process meant there was one device available that normally would not have been.

These devices were for community service, and so those who are not developers were intentionally not at a disadvantage, for the first time that I recall. And yes the awards were for contributions over the last couple years, so for example people who were only active in harmattan development over the last six months didn't meet the time criteria. There also seems to be a desire to award any and all harmattan development, but these were maemo.org community awards, and did not consider contributions made at other places, including our valued colleagues at Mer/Nemo.

It is unfortunate that several deserving people mentioned in this thread did not receive a device. Council spent a lot of time making the decisions. I want to congratulate the winners and thank you for your service. I hope that everyone will continue to support our efforts.

Originally Posted by ivgalvez

Felipe Crochick has decided to move his award to the Coding Competition. In his own words:

"I would to suggest it to be a prize for the best maemo/n900 application so we may see more of those."

Originally Posted by nicolai

All those people complaining about the judging process:
You are to late! You should have raised your hand weeks ago.

You all did know that the council members would decide about the
community award and you all know that there were council members
running for it.

What's the point in waiting after the final decisions was made?

Originally Posted by marxian

It really should not need to be pointed out by the community that it is inappropriate for the judges of a competition to also participate in it. This is common sense. It should be clear to anyone that this type of outcome would give the impression of 'snouts in the trough'. Woody made the right decision not to participate on the grounds of a conflict of interest. The others should have done the same.

Originally Posted by marxian

It really should not need to be pointed out by the community that it is inappropriate for the judges of a competition to also participate in it.

Originally Posted by SD69

It is unfortunate there is so much concern at this point.

Originally Posted by ivgalvez

The fact is that the Community Awards criteria and selection process have been publicly discussed for weeks before the submissions start, both at TMO and mailing list and no one has expressed any concern about it except, precisely, the members of the Council. ... Second option was chosen.

Originally Posted by SD69

This is the first free maemo device that I have ever received despite much community service. Several people requested, and were awarded, devices who already had one free device and I would rather that the process hadn't allow for that. We even got requests from people who received a free device, broken it, and were asking for another.

Originally Posted by Chuck Norris

Can we move on? I think all have made their points clear so why not just move to other threads or go and play with your favorite toy. (Whatever that is)