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Rob1n is offline Rob1n
2010-02-17 , 16:44
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#111
Originally Posted by attila77 View Post
Exactly, and all things equal, why change (rhetorical question, not directed at Rob1n) ? Moblin was also DEB until a little over a year ago, I don't believe Moblin devs forgot how to do DEBs. So they know DEBs, we know DEBs, the two formats are a fair match featurewise, OBS now supports DEBs, too, license info can be embedded in DEBs, Maemo 6 is DEB, so the reason to switch is... ?
Presumably the reason is whatever one Moblin came up with to switch in the first place. This seems to be down to a requirement to store licensing info which, from what I've read, DEB files are just as capable of doing, so I'm just as confused as you are.
 

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2010-02-17 , 16:45
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#112
Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
Unbelievable. (this forum needs the smiley banging his head on a brick wall so I don't have to search for it everytime it's applicable )
I take this back.. It's not unbelievable. It's exactly what I already said back on a previous page.

Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
When moving to an rpm-base everything from network config files, to system config files, to a mess of other things moved to weird locations. It's like moving from XP to Vista.. they just change stuff to change stuff. And it makes it worse that no two rpm systems changed stuff in the same way.. thery're all different.
This was my argument from the beginning. I had no care that RPM sucks, or doesn't suck, or can or can't do this and that. What I have noticed in the Linux world:

People who do RPM-based systems like to re-invent the wheel thirty times instead of wanting to take whats already there, working, tested in public, and maybe improving it. They just like starting over for no reason at all.

People who do DEB-based systems.. actually look DEB-based. So much so most are just considered to be "debian" based.

People who do Slackware based.. also use the same tools and look like slackware.

Same for any other distro.. if it's based on a package manager made and built and ran from an original distro: they tend to look similar.

Then there's RPM and Red Hat. 100's of RPM-based... nobody wanting to look like Red Hat. Gotta all do something different... gotta annoy the hell out of me.

*shrug*.. Life goes on and what-not.
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2010-02-17 , 16:47
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#113
Another way of stating that would be that only derivatives of Debian itself use the Debian package format, but that lots of independent projects have chosen to use RPM.
 
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2010-02-17 , 17:06
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Originally Posted by ewan View Post
Another way of stating that would be that only derivatives of Debian itself use the Debian package format, but that lots of independent projects have chosen to use RPM.
I dunno about that. I'm sure there's independent deb distro's.. but they use the same basic tools.

That's what I don't get - Why does every "individual" project have to reinvent the wheel over and over again? To what purpose?
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2010-02-17 , 17:17
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Originally Posted by ewan View Post
Another way of stating that would be that only derivatives of Debian itself use the Debian package format, but that lots of independent projects have chosen to use RPM.
and what, exactly, is the difference between a derivative and an "independent project"?

the very thing fatalsaint is critizing maybe ("reinventing the wheel")?
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2010-02-17 , 17:26
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#116
FYI: the discussion on meego-dev has shifted from rpm vs. deb to
MeeGo based on some upstream distribution vs
MeeGo as a new, incompatible distribution (current plan)
http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/mee...ry/thread.html

There are some plans to create Debian Mobile distribution
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel.../msg00428.html
probably based on http://www.emdebian.org/grip/
 

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2010-02-17 , 17:30
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Originally Posted by Rob1n View Post
Where's that documented? I can't find anything concrete having searched for moblin + zypper and meego + zypper.
There's quite a lot of mention of moblin + zypper (specially around OBS circles), but I the shipped image uses yum indeed (use=PackageKit points to it. both managers are available in the repos).

Still, the discussion is even more stupid, since replacing yum with zypper is nearly uninstall one install the other one. Both can use the same remote repository metadata format.
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Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
There's quite a lot of mention of moblin + zypper (specially around OBS circles), but I the shipped image uses yum indeed (use=PackageKit points to it. both managers are available in the repos).
This calms me a bit. I've no issues with Yum+RPM.

I've never heard of zypper.. though did decide to google it. See it is mostly for SuSE - which I don't use because I hate YaST. Maybe zypper is better.. but still: Yet another RPM manager. RPM is becoming the perl of Packaging Systems.. (I do love perl, but the "Yet Another Perl <insert>" is what I'm getting at.)

I personally think if DEB+Apt and RPM+Yum don't do what you need.. then do it right. Start over. That's why I don't mind Pacman for Arch, tgz for Slack, emerge for Gentoo, Conary for Foresight.. etc. They actually built their own, from the ground up, all with their +'s and -'s.

But to take the framework of someone else.. just to make your own wrapper for it - Wow how Lazy.

(This is said with the full understanding that my pyPianobar is a very Lazy approach to pandora radio being based on pianobar which is not mine . If Pandora Radio was open API, I would have started from scratch.)
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I hope they stick with Yum, if only because I am skeptical of things that originate or are supported by Novell. (Ever since the MS deal and until it expires.)
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2010-02-17 , 17:52
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#120
Originally Posted by titan View Post
FYI: the discussion on meego-dev has shifted from rpm vs. deb to
MeeGo based on some upstream distribution vs
MeeGo as a new, incompatible distribution (current plan)
http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/mee...ry/thread.html

There are some plans to create Debian Mobile distribution
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel.../msg00428.html
probably based on http://www.emdebian.org/grip/
My plans are direct integration into Debian, but I already wrote this in the reply. Emdebian Grip will just require to much effort, and MeeGo is not arm-only (but Emdebian Grip is).
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