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2010-10-07
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Originally Posted by MartinK
Thanks. It seems there's room for both, so that would be great.
OK, I'll add 1km option, maybe also 2km ? I checked if it's possible to use sub kilometer values but an implementation detail currently prevents this. Concerning the 1 tile corridor, I'll have to check the source, its been a while since I wrote that part of the code
Actually i was looking at the code on my flight home and it seems it uses powers of 2 to specify the range around the origin to download. Based on that it seems that only 2.5 km is available, but it's likely i missed something. Could you please explain what that power of 2 number is and how one could specify an arbitrary distance? It was trivial to add the button to request 2.5 km but i haven't had a chance to test if it actually works. It does make me wonder if the range is in km--it almost seems like it might be instead some multiple of the current map scaling. That would make my experience with downloading tiles make more sense.
Yeah, it is quite confusing. This is because it is quite time consuming to check which tiles are available and which need to be downloaded. ModRana currently just lists the maximal number of tiles that would be needed, thats why there is the ~ before the number
I changed the size estimation function for the next version so that it removes tiles that are available, so it should show the number o actually needed tiles after the tile estimation job finishes.
There is setting in options that disables the automatic tile download...but I'll have to check if it's actually working/implemented
The activation should be much easier when widgets finally become clickable, etc.
Regarding the tracklog selection, what about a longclick near the track + "do you want to select track XY"popup ?
The next version will have a logging feature (basically stdout piped to a textfile in MyDocs). This may help to find the root cause of the lockups. BTW any guesses why such hard lockup can even happen ? IMO there is a hardware watchdog that is checking multiple device parameters and should prevent this or just restart the device...
There is definitely room for improvements in power-saving.
I was thinking about skipping the drawing loop if I can detect that the screen is off (it currently redraws even when the screen is blanked - as do many other apps IMO). As drawing and module state updates are two separate loops, logging etc. should still run normally.
I could also add less pretty but more power efficient optional drawing methods (like not redrawing the map while it's being dragged, moving the map just once a while (like in mappero), etc.).
I really appreciate your responsiveness to issues and work to improve modRana.
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2010-10-07
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Well, sorry in advance if I will now repeat myself or someone else here but just where is the "save position" option in this app?+?????
I mean: here I am, in the middle of totally unknown place, in a foreign country, some smiley driver has just brought me to some sort of a hotel. Ok. I'm still alive and that's definitely a good sign. I grab my N900 with ModRana in it, all nice and ready to go but....how the heck do I pinpoint my, what they call, hotel on the map in my device so I could at least hope to find my way back?
Come on, people, isn't it the BASIC service of all the GPS software in the whole jumping world??? Or have I not spent some 30 mins yesterday thumping my fingers out in search for that simple option and supposedly basic option in Modrana???? Name it whatever you want: "My POI", "Favorites" or "My stuff" but that's what you need to have in ANY GPS...or am I dreaming?
I mean....I've been receiving every now and then messages from this stack on improvements - this is just great! But how about improving it so it fits the end user BASIC needs?
Last edited by Reeby; 2010-10-07 at 09:40.
I mean: here I am, in the middle of totally unknown place, in a foreign country, some smiley driver has just brought me to some sort of a hotel. Ok. I'm still alive and that's definitely a good sign. I grab my N900 with ModRana in it, all nice and ready to go but....how the heck do I pinpoint my, what they call, hotel on the map in my device so I could at least hope to find my way back?
Come on, people, isn't it the BASIC service of all the GPS software in the whole jumping world??? Or have I not spent some 30 mins yesterday thumping my fingers out in search for that simple option and supposedly basic option in Modrana???? Name it whatever you want: "My POI", "Favorites" or "My stuff" but that's what you need to have in ANY GPS...or am I dreaming?
I mean....I've been receiving every now and then messages from this stack on improvements - this is just great! But how about improving it so it fits the end user BASIC needs?
Last edited by Reeby; 2010-10-07 at 09:40.
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2010-10-07
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@reeby - not an answer, but a workaround:
at your hotel, do menu-> search -> near position -> sleep -> hotel
this will (hopefully) show you the place you're at as the closest of the returned options. Select it, and then
tools -> add to POI will save it so that you can later refer to it (menu -> POI then Go to/Show map/Route to etc.)
It's still devel software, remember :-).
ps. I haven't used the track logging stuff in modrana, but I'd assume that if you log a track starting FROM your hotel, that would let you later view the track to help you plan a return?
at your hotel, do menu-> search -> near position -> sleep -> hotel
this will (hopefully) show you the place you're at as the closest of the returned options. Select it, and then
tools -> add to POI will save it so that you can later refer to it (menu -> POI then Go to/Show map/Route to etc.)
It's still devel software, remember :-).
ps. I haven't used the track logging stuff in modrana, but I'd assume that if you log a track starting FROM your hotel, that would let you later view the track to help you plan a return?
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2010-10-07
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Originally Posted by Pigro
Thanks, but it wouldn't be a nice option in the middle of Siberia.
@reeby - not an answer, but a workaround:
at your hotel, do menu-> search -> near position -> sleep -> hotel
Originally Posted by Pigro
Nice try. Thought about it. It it would probably be a turn-it-on-and-put-it-in-your-pocket solution if Nokia has turned on their brains (or whatever they have up there) when they were making a decision on equipping this monster with a 1200 battery.
ps. I haven't used the track logging stuff in modrana, but I'd assume that if you log a track starting FROM your hotel, that would let you later view the track to help you plan a return?
Originally Posted by Pigro
No hard feelings but that's how all the great apps originated, didn't they? Devil, primers, betta or what else they called them those days. But that's the start. And on how attractive this start is, depends how successful the software will become. After all Microsoft has started in a stinky garage.
It's still devel software, remember :-).
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2010-10-07
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Originally Posted by Reeby
If you have been following this thread then you would know how responsive a developer MartinK is. Need a feature? Ask nicely and I'm sure he would consider it. In fact a huge amount of the changes/additions to the program since its initial release are as a result of users' suggestions.
I mean....I've been receiving every now and then messages from this stack on improvements - this is just great! But how about improving it so it fits the end user BASIC needs?
Last edited by kureyon; 2010-10-07 at 12:33.
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2010-10-07
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Originally Posted by kureyon
Exactly my thought two months ago
I Need a feature? Ask nicely and I'm sure he would consider it. In fact a huge amount of the changes/additions to the program since its initial release are as a result of users' suggestions.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=118
Originally Posted by kureyon
I have all the respect in the world for this guy. And I'm sure like every talented person he could use some voice from the dumb user, devil's advocate opinion, fresh look.
I you would know how responsive a developer MartinK is.
Originally Posted by kureyon
What use for me all this "squilte" options if the app is missing the essentials?
I In fact a huge amount of the changes/additions to the program since its initial release are as a result of users' suggestions.
I mean, yes, I could always go back to Mappero but...I do like the developer's drive and attitude and (believe it or not) still have all the trust in the app. That's why I'm sharing my concern here and now. Otherwise, I would've just pressed "uninstall" last night.
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2010-10-07
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Just create a gps track for a few minutes. It will show you where you where (the hotel) and the impact on battery life is very small.
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2010-10-07
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Originally Posted by Reeby
Fair enough, and I agree that the ability to add any random map location as a POI would be very useful (i'm sure MartinK will consider this when he sees your post, probably just an oversight that he missed your original request).
Thanks, but it wouldn't be a nice option in the middle of Siberia.
However, POI's or Street names will work as I described in 99% of cases, so I don't see it as a biggie to wait until the developer gets around to looking at it for you. The other stuff he's working on is important to optimise download sizes, and if you're ever caught in your siberian wastes then you'll be needing a large preloaded set of map data regardlss of POI's (as you'll have bugger all mobile coverage I reckon).
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2010-10-07
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Updated and giving the sqlite a good work out. Some things i've noted so far:
1) On the initial switch it didn't import the tiles i already had into the DB. Not sure if this was just doing something wrong on my part or if that just how it is.
2) When downloading for a particular zoom level, it downloads according to the zoom level used in the map scaling preference. For instance, if i have it on x2 scaling and i tell it to download, it downloads the levels below, which it should but it's not clear if that is all it is getting or if it is also getting the actual zoom level you are on (assuming "0 down/up" as the batch download setting). Of course when i first fired it up i was forgetting i had the scaling on and so when it told me it needed 330,000 tiles i was a bit taken aback. 5KM around from my location at the zoom level i was "at", visually anyway, is only about 25 tiles when using the scaling. I figured out that it was downloading the actual zoom level and not the current displayed level of zoom.
3) When there are large numbers of tiles being downloaded, say over 400 (as i've done a couple different batch downloads), the count downloaded doesn't update until it is finished, so you have no real idea how much time might be left in the download.
4) When there are large numbers of tiles to download, and you "click to estimate size", it simply freezes the phone for about 30 minutes and then causes a hard reboot. Download sizes that have caused a reboot when estimateing, 48K, 98K, 330K, 498K tiles. I've since stopped asking for an estimate and have just gone ahead with downloads (though i jumped from 400 to 98K in my downloading. The data counter is spinning so i know it's working, but as mentioned in 3 the display in modRana isn't updating). Even with a small amount of tiles (400), the estimation took a long time to finish and hung the phone for a few minutes.
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5) Large tile downloads take a lot longer to download than you would think. I get about 100KB/sec down here at work but the download (which is using almost 96-100% cpu) is only piddling along at about 12.4KB/sec. is there any way to get it to us more bandwith and finish sooner?
Last edited by ThePooBurner; 2010-10-07 at 18:59.
1) On the initial switch it didn't import the tiles i already had into the DB. Not sure if this was just doing something wrong on my part or if that just how it is.
2) When downloading for a particular zoom level, it downloads according to the zoom level used in the map scaling preference. For instance, if i have it on x2 scaling and i tell it to download, it downloads the levels below, which it should but it's not clear if that is all it is getting or if it is also getting the actual zoom level you are on (assuming "0 down/up" as the batch download setting). Of course when i first fired it up i was forgetting i had the scaling on and so when it told me it needed 330,000 tiles i was a bit taken aback. 5KM around from my location at the zoom level i was "at", visually anyway, is only about 25 tiles when using the scaling. I figured out that it was downloading the actual zoom level and not the current displayed level of zoom.
3) When there are large numbers of tiles being downloaded, say over 400 (as i've done a couple different batch downloads), the count downloaded doesn't update until it is finished, so you have no real idea how much time might be left in the download.
4) When there are large numbers of tiles to download, and you "click to estimate size", it simply freezes the phone for about 30 minutes and then causes a hard reboot. Download sizes that have caused a reboot when estimateing, 48K, 98K, 330K, 498K tiles. I've since stopped asking for an estimate and have just gone ahead with downloads (though i jumped from 400 to 98K in my downloading. The data counter is spinning so i know it's working, but as mentioned in 3 the display in modRana isn't updating). Even with a small amount of tiles (400), the estimation took a long time to finish and hung the phone for a few minutes.
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5) Large tile downloads take a lot longer to download than you would think. I get about 100KB/sec down here at work but the download (which is using almost 96-100% cpu) is only piddling along at about 12.4KB/sec. is there any way to get it to us more bandwith and finish sooner?
Last edited by ThePooBurner; 2010-10-07 at 18:59.
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Maybe a screen widget can do this? Can the widgets do things like "jump to zoom level 16"? If so, I could make one for 9, and one for 16, and just jump between them.
Another issue: The reason I need to zoom back is because there's no way I've found to jump to the destination on a route. When using address lookup, I like to verify that the target looks sane, since I've seen Google return bad results at times when it doesn't quite know where something is. (eg. Putting you in the middle of a town when it can't find a street.) Being able to jump to a turn or the destination would be a nice feature.
Thanks again for this awesome app!