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2010-12-10
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Originally Posted by turbowei
Some people should go buy an iphone and leave us alone
I dont know how many people really care about their phone being Open, but I can bet they are not even the majority of folks who purchased n900.
Open source zealots, please get off your high horses, and smell the coffee. There are far too many great close sourced alternatives in the market.
A phone/OS without close sourced apps is a zombie. Look at the great linux. Two critical pieces are close sourced. Skype and Flash, without which the only linux desktop users are left would be RMS himself.
And for a much more consumer driven device like a phone, the key for its success is app. As long as you have great apps for the platform, few people care about it being 'open source' or 'close source'.
is all i can say - and best wishes on future bliss in Appland.
Those of us who bought into the n900 for the linux aspect
will still be here hacking away, batching, moaning, complaining and coding
-- doing all that stuff that makes the new apps free-loaders
want to just fall off somebody else's tree.
(CLUE - we did not buy it because it was going to be an OOBE,
we bought it because we knew it could be bent to our desires)
Those who want closed source packages have an entire planet full
of excellent pre-packaged already-stamped-out-for-you
and-wipes-your-budding-be-happy-no-carisms lockware.
There are far too many great close sourced alternatives in the market
for people who whine about OSS to be hanging around here dribbling nonsense.
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2010-12-10
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@ Gothenburg in Sweden
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#14
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Flash??? I guess those people whining about no flash 10 is because they dont havve the latest codecs or whatever crap to get the latest pornsite and webcam communuitys working.
else I dont see why all this whining about shitty flash.
Flash is dead at endof 2011 anyway...
else I dont see why all this whining about shitty flash.
Flash is dead at endof 2011 anyway...
Originally Posted by theonelaw
Some people should go buy an iphone and leave us alone
is all i can say - and best wishes on future bliss in Appland.
Those of us who bought into the n900 for the linux aspect
will still be here hacking away, batching, moaning, complaining and coding
-- doing all that stuff that makes the new apps free-loaders
want to just fall off somebody else's tree.
(CLUE - we did not buy it because it was going to be an OOBE,
we bought it because we knew it could be bent to our desires)
Those who want closed source packages have an entire planet full
of excellent pre-packaged already-stamped-out-for-you
and-wipes-your-budding-be-happy-no-carisms lockware.
There are far too many great close sourced alternatives in the market
for people who whine about OSS to be hanging around here dribbling nonsense.
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2010-12-10
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
I am not John C Dvorak, I don't predict things.
Flash??? I guess those people whining about no flash 10 is because they dont havve the latest codecs or whatever crap to get the latest pornsite and webcam communuitys working.
else I dont see why all this whining about shitty flash.
Flash is dead at endof 2011 anyway...
Without "shitty flash", you would be still staying in html4 era, where obviously RMS lives, There would NOT be the rich, rich multimedia and interactive web as we have grown used to these days.
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2010-12-10
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#16
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Originally Posted by theonelaw
When they introduced the N770 wasn't it part of Nokia's long-term strategy to eventually add phone features to it? I sure hope that it didn't come about because some bright spark woke up in the morning and suddenly had a flash of inspiration and thought "well we got the N810 and we make phones, how about adding phone capabilities to the N810 and call it the N900?"
a big company putting a telephone into
a linux computer meant that some people put some serious effort
into bending some financial ears.
The Nokia effort has made an effort which is covered with warts
and lipstick, but the fundamental fact remains that the basic
premise was actually marketed has been an epic landmark.
Whilst Apple has been steadily addressing defects in the earlier iphones and adding new features to later ones (albeit mostly features that already industry standard) and Google has been churning out new releases of Android what has Nokia been doing? It had renamed maemo to meego and symbian^3 & symbian^4 to plain symbian. That is the epic fail.
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2010-12-10
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#17
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Originally Posted by turbowei
And some (like me) would argue that that is a good thing. When I go to a company website I'm usually looking for information. I don't want to be blasted by a flash intro with loud music and self indulgent voiceover. Flash (and Javascript) can be tolerated if used in moderation and used only when there is no HTML equivalent.
Without "shitty flash", you would be still staying in html4 era, where obviously RMS lives, There would NOT be the rich, rich multimedia and interactive web as we have grown used to these days.
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2010-12-10
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What something positive for once? Really?! REALLY!!! You mean this is another thread about how Nokia failed and how I switched to an iCrap or HTC Generic. Fool this kind of talk isn't allowed here you shall be punished.
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2010-12-10
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Originally Posted by kureyon
Yes,
...what has Nokia been doing? It had renamed maemo to meego and symbian^3 & symbian^4 to plain symbian. That is the epic fail.
and that just about nails that point shut.
But that is not what OP was on about, to be pedantic.
Nokia achieved the absolutely brilliant goal of
putting telephony into an open linux garden
(which is what this thread started out about
and on which point the OP is absolutely correct)
and then proceeded to toss the whole creation directly into the rubbish bin.
(which, although also absolutely correct,
one can read about almost anywhere else until utter nausea sets in.)
I think describing their collectively corporate behaviour as
schizophrenic would insult both Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and schizophrenics everywhere.
Split personality disorder would be a better analogy.
Any of this look like Nokia?
* Fluctuating picture symptoms
* Fluctuating levels of function from highly effective to disabled
* Severe headquarter turmoil or other management issues
* Time distortions, time lapses, and amnesia and amnesia and amnesia
* Depersonalization and derealization
* Depression
* Mood swings
* Suicidal tendencies
* Support disorders (insomnia, night terrors, and sleep walking)
* Anxiety, panic attacks, and phobias (flashbacks, reactions to stimuli or "triggers")
* Community and Developer abuse
* Compulsions and rituals
* Psychotic-like symptoms (hearing voices of other CEOs inside of their head and visual flashbacks)
* Distribution disorders
* Comatose responses to support requests
* Amnesic episodes and time loss and time loss and time loss and time loss
* Trances and out-of-market experiences
* tendency toward self-persecution, self-sabotage, and sometimes self or other directed violence.
Prognosis
DID does not resolve spontaneously, and symptoms vary over time.
[Strikethrough]Individuals[/Strikethrough] Corporations with primarily dissociative symptoms and features of posttraumatic stress disorder normally recover with treatment. Those with comorbid addictions (dual OS?), personality, mood, or production disorders face a longer, slower, and more complicated recovery process.
Individuals still attached to abusers (Telcos!) face the poorest prognosis; treatment may be long-term and consist solely of symptom relief (cute graphics and fancy marketing) rather than personality integration (community accommodation). Changes in identity, loss of memory, and awaking in unexplained locations and situations often leads to chaotic personal lives.
Corporations with the condition commonly attempt suicide.
create the most splendid things for society
and thereafter do some of the most puzzlingly dumb things.
Somewhat like an sanity-insanity pendulum.
That we find ourselves on the receiving end of this madness
makes the n900 an interesting ride...
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Three n900s: One for stable working platform,
One fordevelopment testing Chopping Onions
One forsaltwater immersion power testing resurrected ! parts scavenging
My Mods for Wonko's Advanced Clock Plugin:
ISO8601 clock mod and Momental_IST clock mod
Printing your Email with the N900
Three n900s: One for stable working platform,
One for
One for
My Mods for Wonko's Advanced Clock Plugin:
ISO8601 clock mod and Momental_IST clock mod
Printing your Email with the N900
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2010-12-10
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@ N900: Battery low. N950: torx 4 re-used once and fine; SIM port torn apart
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#20
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Originally Posted by turbowei
Maybe, competing with Flash accelerated advent of HTML5. If so, it's the only positive aspect of Flash. Its negative aspects are slowness and vulnerability.
I am not John C Dvorak, I don't predict things.
Without "shitty flash", you would be still staying in html4 era, where obviously RMS lives, There would NOT be the rich, rich multimedia and interactive web as we have grown used to these days.
You can use open-source Gnash for playing Flash, if it's necessary for you to be able to see Flash on Linux.
Skype... It's closed source, probably backdoor, clearly bends to governments' requests. It's strongly recommended to use something else, if you can. But unfortunately, clones of Skype are rare, and open-source clone of Skype hardly exists.
I do, in fact, have one Linux computer without either Flash or Skype. It's the N900. Nokia put some sort of Skype on it, but I have never logged into it.
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Thanks to theonelaw for brilliant and amusing essay.
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My n900 my Viagra, Halleluyah !
Last edited by tusharmax; 2010-12-10 at 00:21.