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2009-10-08
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#32
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt
JavaScript is well supported on the maemo browser, so you could code apps with HTML/CSS/JavaScript.
Javascript is a very flexible OO-langauge that shares similarity with Ruby. It's very easy to get into, even if you are just doing procedural programming.
JavaScript is not an object-oriented language though. It's object-based, which is a little bit different. It has some weird concepts, too. It might be easy to learn but hard to comprehend the more advanced stuff.
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2009-10-08
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#33
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Originally Posted by javispedro
Umm, excuse me? It wasn't implied anywhere that I use a GUI to generate HTML.
No, you don't mean HTML then. You position the elements using a GUI, and that's where the easiness comes from.
Originally Posted by javispedro
'Easier' is a matter of experience and skill. They're all just languages that have the exact same control of flow statements, and roughly the same syntax. Generally the 'difficulty' comes not from the language, but the that you're trying to implement, and the tools available to you.
I code HTML and Javascript by hand and I can tell Python is waaaaaay easier (and nicer!). I'd even consider C to be easier.
That said Javascript/DOM is not the best environment for all apps. But it's a great environment for *many* apps. It carries a number of advantages including easy development, easy testing, instant distribution, no installation, etc.
I believe the OP was referring to this when he mentioned Javascript, as its generally synonymous with browsers these days.
Originally Posted by javispedro
Uhhhh... Thanks for the tip, but no.
So, wait for a proper PySide GUI instead.
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2009-10-08
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#34
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt
Oh, like any other interpreted language... Surprising.
It carries a number of advantages including easy development, easy testing, instant distribution, no installation, etc.
Only with a proper GUI toolkit you can actually easily code window layouts and not document layouts like HTML is supposed to do.
And then I'd disagree on the "easy testing" part, but hey, you can code in whatever language you want...
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2009-10-08
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#35
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Originally Posted by pycage
Well, this is debatable. It's a prototyped language, is dynamic, and classless, so in that way it's different than traditional OOLs, but it retains the key characteristics necessary to receive the OOL designation .
JavaScript is well supported on the maemo browser, so you could code apps with HTML/CSS/JavaScript.
JavaScript is not an object-oriented language though. It's object-based, which is a little bit different. It has some weird concepts, too. It might be easy to learn but hard to comprehend the more advanced stuff.
The ECMA also considers ECMAScript an OOL (page 13 -- section 4); of which javascript is a dialect.
Yes, I agree, it's easy to jump into, but so incredibly dynamic, that advanced concepts can be a bit challenging to understand. But this can be said of any language, no? (consider C-pointers/objects/polymorphism/aspects/etc for the novice!)
It can also get very messy if the coder doesn't adhere to good design principles (much like C). This is where I've noticed Javascript gets a lot of slack. But it is possible to write beautiful, highly functional code.
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2009-10-08
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#36
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Originally Posted by javispedro
This doesn't need to be Javascript vs Python war. There's room for them both to be easy to develop on.
Oh, like any other interpreted language... Surprising.
Originally Posted by javispedro
Window-like layouts in a browser is a snap! Simply markup your elements in a DIV, you can even dress it up using CSS, then use Javascript to manipulate it (show/hide/rotate/opacity/width/height/position/destroy/duplicate/change contents/etc). Instant window. Honestly, it takes 1min max.
Only with a proper GUI toolkit you can actually easily code window layouts and not document layouts like HTML is supposed to do.
Originally Posted by javispedro
Easy in that all you have to do is hit refresh in the browser to quickly run your code. It's very forgiving for rapid prototyping/development. Again, I didn't say that python, by implication, is less easy.
And then I'd disagree on the "easy testing" part, but hey, you can code in whatever language you want...
I appreciate and respect your opinions. I think in this case, we've a clash of perspectives. Perhaps some day you'll get into DOM/Javascript development and grow to appreciate it. It's really quite fun and forgiving, and I'd highly recommend it!
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2009-10-09
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#37
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Originally Posted by zerojay
Because that's what works when making apps. If you know how to get javascript apps to work on maemo 4 tell us all
Where do you get the idea that Maemo apps HAVE to be writtin in Python.. or anything else, for that matter? There are and will be bindings for all sorts of languages.
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2009-10-09
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#38
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Originally Posted by adem3311
I think he was implying that there are many other languages beyond Python for app devel on maemo. This is true, there are a whack, including command line scripting tools.
Because that's what works when making apps. If you know how to get javascript apps to work on maemo 4 tell us all
Of course, a Javascript app from the command line would be neat (if not a bit pointless given the many mature choices).
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2009-10-09
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#39
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt
No need for a war. They can peacefully co-exist. I usually code my AJAX backend stuff in Python.
This doesn't need to be Javascript vs Python war. There's room for them both to be easy to develop on.
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2009-10-09
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Originally Posted by adem3311
You mean, like that? http://puelocesar.wordpress.com/2009...ent-for-maemo/
Because that's what works when making apps. If you know how to get javascript apps to work on maemo 4 tell us all
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