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2010-01-21
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Originally Posted by smarsh
None of those points feel like a problem to me since nobody is suggesting perfection - I'm sorry if it seemed like I did.
- some people are just not native and shouldn't be expected to become so for our comfort
- some use, even if perceived to be challenging, is legitimate within the culture of the poster. It's just the way things are
- the police would need to be experts in english grammar and current usage. Anyone here?
- quis custodiet ipsos custodes (thanks Juvenal)?
We'd like to keep the lower few percent off and maybe encourage the elders (relatively speaking) to a higher bar.
Non-natives are not an issue for a filter that does "lolz". Nor is it a word in any language (I know).
As for your last two points, we don't need experts as this isn't OxfordForumsExtremeNaziEdition, we simply want less garbage. And at that rate, the custodes are ourselves.
Besides, eve if the software were a bit nazi-like, you'd need chronic issues with lulz and a smiley fetish to actually bury yourself. We're talking 100 bad posts here. Less if you really overdo it.
Edit: Like that ^, lol.
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2010-01-21
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Originally Posted by ndi
Aha! And who gets to choose the standard?
Shoot. I volunteered.
I wouldn't call that horrible. Less than perfect. [serious]Seriously now, I hope that's not your real standard for horrible
Originally Posted by ndi
Why is it a mystery?
However, I agree, lazy writing. And for the love of... please someone pin a sticky explaining the difference between N900s and N900's.
I've seen this on banners in the UK. It's eating me up inside, it's so simple, yet a complete mistery.
Originally Posted by ndi
Banning challenging Irish rock bands is a bit steep, isn't it?
Yes we could. You could ban lol, u, 2, u2, and improve as the need arises.
Originally Posted by ndi
Which would in fact discourage those posters who would like to correct their mistakes and learn...
Which reminds me - edited posts should be re-rated, maximum of one or two edits.
Last edited by smarsh; 2010-01-21 at 21:26. Reason: Nothing grammatical, I assure you.
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2010-01-21
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Originally Posted by ndi
To quote Churchill, "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put."
I never suggested scanning for prepositions at the end of sentences. I meant overall, most annoying part of each, as needed.
However, I agree, lazy writing. And for the love of... please someone pin a sticky explaining the difference between N900s and N900's.
I've seen this on banners in the UK. It's eating me up inside, it's so simple, yet a complete mistery.
I am never insulted by the truth. I only take something personally if I detect intent. Plus, I volunteered.
*Checks post for spelling and typing errors before hitting 'send'*
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2010-01-21
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Originally Posted by smarsh
Well, me, duh.
Aha! And who gets to choose the standard?
lol.
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2010-01-21
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Originally Posted by smarsh
Frankly, a smart answer would be "the community, guided by the standards imposed on us by the moderators and community leaders", but it'd be overkill.
Aha! And who gets to choose the standard?
Do we need a defining standard to lower the usage of l33t speak and plain childish behavior simply for the love of childish behavior? (sorry, my spellchecker like "behavior" to "behaviour").
Originally Posted by smarsh
I meant it's so easy a rule yet a mistery to so maby who misuse the apostrophe.
Why is it a mystery?
Originally Posted by smarsh
Ha! Didn't see that one.
Banning challenging Irish rock bands is a bit steep, isn't it?
Originally Posted by smarsh
I fail to see how that would be discouraging. You review the post, and submit. You can edit and post will be re-evaluated. Maybe again. Not endlessly because for one it would be bad for activity on forum and because one could use the forum as a spellchecker, not its original usage (assuming such a software uses red to point out mistakes)
Which would in fact discourage those posters who would like to correct their mistakes and learn...
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2010-01-21
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy
Agreed, but extremely poor spelling usually seems to go hand-in-hand with low-content posts.
That's my point. I want good content. I don't actually care too much about the odd typo, grammatical error or spelling mistake.
It's not about a typo or two or even grammatical errors... It's the "lol n900 is graet lol what do u thinks lol" and "hello i did not use search how do i make a phone call lol" posts/posters that need to be moderated out with an iron fist for the forum to remain usable for the rest of the users.
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2010-01-21
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Originally Posted by ndi
I don't think you did, but the challenge is trying to think about what really makes sense in a cultural context. Like it or not, things like lol or whatever are appropriate for specific (sub) cultures. Regardless of their existence in a dictionary they exist and are legitimately used by probably millions of people every day. No, this doesn't make them right, but it does make them part of the vernacular, so to speak.
None of those points feel like a problem to me since nobody is suggesting perfection - I'm sorry if it seemed like I did.
Originally Posted by ndi
I fail to see why this is a good thing. Regardless of how many posts it would take to bury myself, you are trying to judge others by your own standards. There are quite large problems with this approach that we should avoid if at all possible.
We'd like to keep the lower few percent off and maybe encourage the elders (relatively speaking) to a higher bar.
Non-natives are not an issue for a filter that does "lolz". Nor is it a word in any language (I know).
As for your last two points, we don't need experts as this isn't OxfordForumsExtremeNaziEdition, we simply want less garbage. And at that rate, the custodes are ourselves.
Besides, eve if the software were a bit nazi-like, you'd need chronic issues with lulz and a smiley fetish to actually bury yourself. We're talking 100 bad posts here. Less if you really overdo it.
Edit: Like that ^, lol.
Leading by example is certainly not a bad thing though. Keep your posts clean and simple, respond to queries or comments that are legitimate in your own correct style, hope for the best.
Whilst I'm on the subject, Kathy, your example of so-called weak communication is not weak at all, it's just an example of a sub culture. Perhaps even a dialect. Laziness be damned.
(I know whereof I speak, having spoken a dialect unintelligible to those from outside of the area in which I was born for several years until we moved (I was born in the Black Country) - definitely not BBC-speak...)
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2010-01-21
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy
I Googled for that for 5 minutes before giving up.
To quote Churchill, "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put."
Originally Posted by RevdKathy
I almost dropped my mouse laughing. If you ever get caught by the police, drop me a message, I'm catching the first plane over. _This_ I have to see. I've never seen a monocle dropped in a tea cup before.
It sickens me too. I sneak around with a big felt tip pen at night and correct notices for "Onion's 5 for £!" and Tesco selling "Fuel, clothes and CD's"
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2010-01-21
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Originally Posted by hqh
In your opinion. If I was to post:
Agreed, but extremely poor spelling usually seems to go hand-in-hand with low-content posts.
It's not about a typo or two or even grammatical errors... It's the "lol n900 is graet lol what do u thinks lol" posts/posters that need to be moderated out with an iron fist for the forum to remain usable for the rest of the users.
The n900 is great what does everyone here think.
Does this make for better content?
It is possible to be correct whilst also being dim. It is impossible to ascertain the difference unless you are a person (and possibly charged with weeding out the dim.)
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