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2016-05-26
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@ Moon! It's not the East or the West side... it's the Dark Side
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2016-05-26
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@ Colombia
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The price is €136.29 + your country tax.
Shipping to germany is free btw!
For a total of €162.19 I really don't care.
My current N9 was € 436 back in 2012, but that 's a very different story.
Yeah, what a scam, with the huge profit they have on the programme!
Sure, you could say it's just their claim, but the math really checks out.
Let me tell you the story as I remember it. The SailfishOS phone by Intex was announced one year ago with the announcement that once it reaches India, it will be available globally. Mind that it would be the first Intex device to go global, so all the warranty/service support by Intex would have to be created (and then train all their foreign partners with a completely different OS).
Shortly before that, Jolla quit the hardware business, so the availability of the device was an outcome of the agreement with Intex.
Later in 2015, Jolla almost went bankrupt, survived it, but since the original Intex phone was scheduled for the end of the year, many people expected the deal to be off, as Jolla was definitely not a stable partner at that time.
A pleasant surprise came this February before MWC in Barcelona, where at a Mer Meeting it was announced that the deal is still on, but it will be unfortunately limited to India only.
This was received with a disappointment in the community and many people called for Jolla to at least make a developer programme and ship few Intex devices to Europe. This seemed quite impossible - as mentioned above, there's no Intex warranty network outside of India, so servicing the devices would be unimaginably costly. Also the Intex phone is supposed to have advertising in the system, which would not be very welcome by Jolla's community.
Some Indian members of the community promised to try and send the devices from India (=no warranty), but people still begged Jolla to do this and ship it officially.
Now Jolla stepped up and heard those voices, but as Intex certainly plans to go global at some point (they had the plan one year ago and now appeared at MWC), it would hurt their brand if there were Intex phones sent outside of their market without any support. People could connect the "lack of support" and "Intex" and refuse to buy their phones once they officially expand their operation. That's certainly why Jolla went all the way to put their branding on it and offered it to the developer community. Without any profit, to keep the support for them alive. Remember that soon all original Jollas will be out of warranty and developers will not have anything to develop on (there are not many stable ports). Even if Fairphone and Turing phones get their official SailfishOS versions, they will still be in a drastically different price range.
Please consider the context before using the "scam" word. IMHO this operation is as far from scam as possible. Even if they made the profit, which they won't (let alone with only 1000 devices) they transparently published all terms, so there is no misinformation.
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2016-05-26
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@ Hamburg
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The thing is that you are not actually ordering a device, you are paying a fee for a programme.
That you've stated "you're ordering a deice" [sic], goes to show that it's entirely possible that some consumers may be mislead.
glad you're happy with your purchase and I hope others will be too. I'm sure that most buyers will not have an issue with it not having a warranty.
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2016-05-26
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@ Ruhrgebiet, Germany
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We'll see. Soon™ I guess.
And optimist as I am, I expect Jolla to have learned their lessons and deliver as announced this time.
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2016-05-26
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@ Czech Republic
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The length of your reply suggests that I may have offended you by my post. I'm sorry, I did not intend to cause any upset.
If this is actually an Intex device then why not give people the opportunity to purchase it as a proper product with a warranty?
It doesn't look like they've learnt very much from the tablet fiasco. I hope that all programme members will go home happy but due to their execution of this programme, I feel like there's another round of ranting and raving coming from unhappy customers and Jolla have no one else to blame but themselves.
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2016-05-26
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@ Hamburg
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This thread should have been in off-topic long time ago and I don't want to feed it...
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2016-05-26
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@ Colombia
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My academic background (or present in fact) pushes me to have my claims as cited as possible and you cannot do that in few sentences.
I thought I answered this in my reply quite well. Warranty isn't something that falls out of the sky - Jolla is not a HW company anymore, so they can't provide it. Intex doesn't have the infrastructure yet so they decided not to.
However, when you are criticizing that it is a developer programme, but it is open to everyone, how would you choose just the "real" developers?
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2016-05-27
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@ Southerrn Finland
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It's good question. Other companies have offered devices to developers before, arguably they didn't choose them very well. I am a little surprised that they are including Alien Dalvik with this device as without it they probably would have attracted less fanboys, thus it might have ended up in the hands of more developers. Not to mention that it's likely that they had to pay a licence fee to Myriad which probably increased the programme fee.
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2016-05-27
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Dude. Travel around countries and even areas of big countries will give you the same thing. News media in all countries ignore someone to paint a picture. Travel the world and you might find the differences intresting. Let's say. You will only talk to males one day, the next the only the only females. the conversion will differ from a mix and you will see patterns.
Let's say that you have want to read US posts for a week. Tell you a lot of that area.
Or this...http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=3959
Or you think it worse to single out and ignore a country than a single user?
Now what is this called?
I don't judge. Just asking.
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