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Originally Posted by Den in USA
I think you are right, the majority of N900 owners didn't know what they were getting into. They bought the N900 with no expectation of having to "tweek" it in order to get it to work. For them, "tweek" means setting preferences in a menu. This is not to say that some of them cannot be made productive members of the community but most will only use these forums to ask for help and search for software. The community needs to figure out how best to handle that (but that is the subject of other threads and Brainstorms).
What is interesting is that one would think that the majority of N900 buyers are N8xx owners and therefore up to speed on Maemo 4/5 OS. Instead it appears that most N900 buyers on this forum are smartphone owners and do'nt even know what it means "to flash".
(pun not intended).
To get back to your point, Texrat, the N900 buyers probably don't realize that all of us N770, N800, N810 owners have spent the last two years tweeking our devices while being educated by this fine forum.
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2010-01-08
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Well, it should be noted that this wasn't really Nokia's decision.
2) removal of USB OTG (ok not everyone)
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Which half?
I took him half seriously.
Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Sing it, brother!
Well you also have to take into account some n770, n800, and n810 owners are not happy with the direction Nokia seems to be taking right now.
1) Smaller screen
2) removal of USB OTG (ok not everyone)
3) cell phone radio in device (it does increase the cost of the device).
So not everyone is moving on, some moved to other devices while others are waiting for Nokia's next Maemo device to see if it will be closer to what they expect from the older tablets.
You're describing my situation. I've jumped on the Android bandwagon for now but I remain interested to see what Nokia will release as the next Internet Tablet device (note: not cell phone) since I still want more evolved Debian based Internet Tablet.
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
I must have missed that. Whose decision was that?
Well, it should be noted that this wasn't really Nokia's decision.
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I've not read the entire thread, I started reading when it was first posted; however I lost interest when some things were stated...
But I'll say this. I truly do not believe that Nokia, rampant Nokia fans, nor Maemo followers want anything to change. As it stands now, I just don't see it.
If a person says something that's a bit out of center with what is known about Nokia will do, it's immediately compared to Apple or Google. If you're able to see the good points in other platforms, you're instantly labeled a "fanboy" (or whatever spelling therein) and you're relegated to troll status.
If you desire a feature in a phone - video calling, MMS, a secured friggin' USB port - you're going to get attacked for not being happy that the N900 is not some phone, but a pocket computer that has phone radios in it. And if you step outside of that semantic landmine, you'll likely find yourself attacked for how you're not following lockstep into what the others are chanting in unison.
Simply put, there is hardly an environment friendly to discussion on some items that also include constructive criticism. I hate to sound harsh about it, but to feel like I now belong to a community that was just fine when I owned and loved my N810, yet got upset with me when I was upset at Nokia for abandoning me and kept stating "Get over it" and now I'm part of a community that is turning a blind eye to other platforms and can actually learn certain things from those other platforms... it's disturbing.
Maemo is powerful. But it needs more than a powerful OS to make it.
But I'll say this. I truly do not believe that Nokia, rampant Nokia fans, nor Maemo followers want anything to change. As it stands now, I just don't see it.
If a person says something that's a bit out of center with what is known about Nokia will do, it's immediately compared to Apple or Google. If you're able to see the good points in other platforms, you're instantly labeled a "fanboy" (or whatever spelling therein) and you're relegated to troll status.
If you desire a feature in a phone - video calling, MMS, a secured friggin' USB port - you're going to get attacked for not being happy that the N900 is not some phone, but a pocket computer that has phone radios in it. And if you step outside of that semantic landmine, you'll likely find yourself attacked for how you're not following lockstep into what the others are chanting in unison.
Simply put, there is hardly an environment friendly to discussion on some items that also include constructive criticism. I hate to sound harsh about it, but to feel like I now belong to a community that was just fine when I owned and loved my N810, yet got upset with me when I was upset at Nokia for abandoning me and kept stating "Get over it" and now I'm part of a community that is turning a blind eye to other platforms and can actually learn certain things from those other platforms... it's disturbing.
Maemo is powerful. But it needs more than a powerful OS to make it.
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Originally Posted by danramos
The USB Consortium.
I must have missed that. Whose decision was that?
My understanding is that there were issues affecting the implementation of USB host/client/charging detection so the plan was to ship a software update to Extras after release to enable host. Unfortunately the USB Consortium said, "Either it works 100% or you don't get to call what you're putting in the device USB. If you want to call it USB you have to disable host in hardware."
Since Nokia definitely wanted to call it USB, here we are. Blame the USB people for looking out for something other than consumer interests.
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I don't quite understand that GA.. if the technology was capable how did they disable it in hardware? Removed a few pins that would otherwise have enabled it?
And they did it because the USB Consortium said so?
And they did it because the USB Consortium said so?
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Damned Vogons.
The USB Consortium.
Since Nokia definitely wanted to call it USB, here we are. Blame the USB people for looking out for something other than consumer interests.
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2010-01-08
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
That is definitely wrong. The EU agreement on common charging specifically allows not using micro USB connector for charging if there is a good reason to do it. So all Nokia needed to do is use the micro USB connector for USB only and keep a standard 2mm for charging.
The USB Consortium.
My understanding is that there were issues affecting the implementation of USB host/client/charging detection so the plan was to ship a software update to Extras after release to enable host. Unfortunately the USB Consortium said, "Either it works 100% or you don't get to call what you're putting in the device USB. If you want to call it USB you have to disable host in hardware."
Since Nokia definitely wanted to call it USB, here we are. Blame the USB people for looking out for something other than consumer interests.
The fact that the N900 has no USB host support is one hundred percent due to Nokia decision.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Sure, there is certain amount of fanboism, but I wouldn't say that everybody saying anything negative about Maemo or Nokia gets attacked automaticly.
If a person says something that's a bit out of center with what is known about Nokia will do, it's immediately compared to Apple or Google. If you're able to see the good points in other platforms, you're instantly labeled a "fanboy" (or whatever spelling therein) and you're relegated to troll status.
If you desire a feature in a phone - video calling, MMS, a secured friggin' USB port - you're going to get attacked for not being happy that the N900 is not some phone, but a pocket computer that has phone radios in it. And if you step outside of that semantic landmine, you'll likely find yourself attacked for how you're not following lockstep into what the others are chanting in unison.
Simply put, there is hardly an environment friendly to discussion on some items that also include constructive criticism.
For example see this thread from yesterday:
Bye (for Now)
OP of that thread says that he's not getting N900 and is leaving Maemo platform. However he does it constructively and states very reasonable and logical reason for it. Notice how there are no attacks or negative personal comments at all. Few people try give him/her reasons to stay, but it's all done in courtious way.
Still I think you make good point by pointing out fanboism. Negative trolling and fanboism can fuel each other and create even more noise to community. One of the reason why I think we need more selective but strict moderation, before the constructive people leave elsewhere.
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1) Smaller screen
2) removal of USB OTG (ok not everyone)
3) cell phone radio in device (it does increase the cost of the device).
So not everyone is moving on, some moved to other devices while others are waiting for Nokia's next Maemo device to see if it will be closer to what they expect from the older tablets.