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#102
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Upgrading a single package is
Actually that's the opposite of what he says. dist-upgrade will upgrade a package allowing changes to other packages, including installing new ones or removing old ones. He said he didn't want that - which is what apt-get upgrade did... but he wants to do that only on a certain list of packages.
You're probably onto something with dselect.
Code:
apt-get install <package name>
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2010-02-17
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As said, we can chase around and see which features require one line in one system and two (or some bash-foo) in another, but the bottom line is after all these years they pretty much accumulated the same features. Things like OBS can make a difference, but the package format itself - hardly, being more of a question of familiarity and preference.
Sounds pretty much spot-on to me 
For those interested about the details, see http://man-wiki.net/index.php/8:dpkg-statoverride
Originally Posted by Rob1n
I've no idea - I've never built a debian package. I was responding to the comment that .deb "packages up the files with the permissions that they were given when you build the deb package". If there's a alternate way to specify these permissions with .debs, then I don't see it makes much difference which format you use.
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‘stat overrides’ are a way to tell dpkg to use a different owner or mode for a file when a package is installed. (note: I use the word ‘file’ here, but in reality this can be any filesystem object that dpkg handles, including directories, devices, etc.). This can be used to force programs that are normally setuid to be install without a setuid flag, or only executable by a certain group.
For those interested about the details, see http://man-wiki.net/index.php/8:dpkg-statoverride
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
In fact (having actually read the manual), it's going to be dependent on the tool. Using yum you could do:
Right, but how do you get the dependency names?? For example:
A single line just installed my package with dependency handling without using any loops, cut's, line editing/parsing, etc. Assuming, of course, my dependencies are in the repo's on my system, and that the package I'm installing doesn't depend on other weird crap.Code:dpkg -i MyOwnDebIMadeYay.deb && apt-get -f install
How do I do that with RPM?
Code:
yum localinstall file.rpm
Otherwise, you could probably use rpm with "--no-deps" to force installation, then "yum update" to pick up the dependencies.
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Originally Posted by javispedro
Yum is not RPM vs DEB.. Yum is not universal.
Yum has a feature where it will install rpms from disk with dependency checking. "how can I install a .deb from disk using apt-get" is a _very_ common question in fedora->debian newbies (see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=880612 , http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-b...sg1661126.html ), which is something I find pretty ironic considering the current context
Another problem I have with RPM's (and have already mentioned).. I have already specified no less than 5 primary managers for RPM: URPMI, Yast, Yum, Apt and up2date. Confusing much?
Nearly every DEB system I've encountered uses Apt by default.
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2010-02-17
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But if you add apt-get to the dpkg side, you have to add yum or an alternative to the rpm side.
My opinion here is that fragmentation is good, but I don't plan to enter this one religious war (note debian has aptitude; in fact apt is deprecated).
Last edited by javispedro; 2010-02-17 at 17:30.
Originally Posted by fatalsaint
You're forgetting zypper, which is one MeeGo will not be using.
Another problem I have with RPM's (and have already mentioned).. I have already specified no less than 5 primary managers for RPM: URPMI, Yast, Yum, Apt and up2date. Confusing much?
My opinion here is that fragmentation is good, but I don't plan to enter this one religious war (note debian has aptitude; in fact apt is deprecated).
Last edited by javispedro; 2010-02-17 at 17:30.
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2010-02-17
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Nor is Apt, to be fair.
Yum is not RPM vs DEB..
Originally Posted by fatalsaint
And we only have a single OS to worry about here - yum offers these features, so if they're required (and MeeGo sticks with RPM), then yum is required as well. It really doesn't matter what RPM management tools random other distributions choose to use.
Nearly every DEB system I've encountered uses Apt by default.
As I've said, I've got absolutely no preference myself. In my experience, there's nothing that's being done using DEBs in Maemo that can't be done with RPM, and there's also nothing that RPMs provide that we're lacking in the current DEBs.
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2010-02-17
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#108
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Originally Posted by javispedro
Except for as I said: Nearly anywhere you find DEB, you find APT. Not the case with RPM. So while I agree apt is a tool addon like Yum is an add-on to RPM.. Yum can't really be used to help the RPM argument because it's not everywhere by default. Apt is usually there by default.
But if you add apt-get to the dpkg side, you have to add yum or an alternative to the rpm side.
You're forgetting zypper, which is the one MeeGo will be using.
My opinion here is that fragmentation is good, but I don't plan to enter this one religious war (note debian has aptitude; in fact apt is deprecated).
Unbelievable. (this forum needs the smiley banging his head on a brick wall so I don't have to search for it everytime it's applicable
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2010-02-17
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#109
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Originally Posted by Rob1n
Exactly, and all things equal, why change (rhetorical question, not directed at Rob1n) ? Moblin was also DEB until a little over a year ago, I don't believe Moblin devs forgot how to do DEBs. So they know DEBs, we know DEBs, the two formats are a fair match featurewise, OBS now supports DEBs, too, license info can be embedded in DEBs, Maemo 6 is DEB, so the reason to switch is... ?
As I've said, I've got absolutely no preference myself. In my experience, there's nothing that's being done using DEBs in Maemo that can't be done with RPM, and there's also nothing that RPMs provide that we're lacking in the current DEBs.
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2010-02-17
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Originally Posted by javispedro
Where's that documented? I can't find anything concrete having searched for moblin + zypper and meego + zypper.
You're forgetting zypper, which is the one MeeGo will be using.
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apt-get upgrade is really the only "safe" measure in apt that only upgrades things that only require other upgrades. Anything else works like a dist-upgrade, which is what I guess -F does NOT do.
But again.. I've never seen a need for this..
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