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Originally Posted by jsuggs
From following the enhancements and bugs from Meego.com it seems like they are trying to get everything into the base OS. I think the only difference you'll see from vendors are applications that ship with a particular device (i.e. Nokia may ship with free satnav) and look and feel. I don't think you'll be missing base functionality if you decide to go with one vendor or another.
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2010-06-29
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#152
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Originally Posted by sevla
To add to what Pelago said... to clarify how I read qgil:
I'm confused.. From Qgils post it sounded like Harmattan will have a different look and feel from the reference Meego handset interface.
Is that not the case?
MeeGo Trouch Framework == Actual UI (User Interface) for device
Reference Applications == Default Apps maintained/made by MeeGo dev's
Nokia Set of Applications == Nokia specific Applications maintained/made by Nokia.
The UI + Apps == UX (User Experience)
So Harmattan will have a (slightly) different "UX", but the same "UI"..
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2010-06-29
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#153
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one thing came to mind, didnt nokia during maemo consider the closed source software like the brower ui and the media player their way to make nokia maemo different from some potential other maemo?
heck, will we be seeing multiple branded devices where various bundled programs are different from whats found on other meego devices, and with the same problems we are seeing relations to long term maintenance?
if that will be the case i think i say thanks but no thanks.
ah, i see fatalsaint touched on that. Given that, color me worried as i already hold one device with a nokia logo on it that i would love seeing properly maintained rather then replaced in this consumerist rat race of ours.
heck, will we be seeing multiple branded devices where various bundled programs are different from whats found on other meego devices, and with the same problems we are seeing relations to long term maintenance?
if that will be the case i think i say thanks but no thanks.
ah, i see fatalsaint touched on that. Given that, color me worried as i already hold one device with a nokia logo on it that i would love seeing properly maintained rather then replaced in this consumerist rat race of ours.
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2010-06-29
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#154
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Originally Posted by jsuggs
I imagine the main thing you'd be missing out on is Ovi Store and all the DRMd stuff. Plus possibly some proprietary Nokia applications like Maps. But we'll see how it is when Harmattan is released.
This probably just more of a personal nit-pick of mine, but I (think) I would rather install "the base handset experience" instead of the Nokia (or any other vendor customization) branded one. Mainly because I don't like the "branding" as it usually doesn't add any real value over the stock system.
Ovi Store I can pretty much live without, generally Extras has better software anyway
Added: Flash would also be a big thing you'd probably miss. But we'll see how the stock MeeGo Handheld UX looks like when the N900 port is done, as I guess "unsupported" means having only the open source parts.
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2010-06-29
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#155
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
MeeGo Touch is the ui library (add-on over plain Qt). The "user interface" consists of lots of stuff in addition to that, including app launcher, homescreen, system status bars etc.
MeeGo Trouch Framework == Actual UI (User Interface) for device
If you need to develop applications, you need the UI library. You probably won't need the homescreen or app launcher. Don't count on all of this being made available.
If you asked me, you don't need to wait for this release to develop applications. You can already develop meegotouch applications for your current N900, without flashing it. You could also distribute those apps to current "mainstream" n900 users.
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2010-06-29
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#156
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Originally Posted by vivainio
So by your definition all we'll see tomorrow is modified QT libraries?
MeeGo Touch is the ui library (add-on over plain Qt). The "user interface" consists of lots of stuff in addition to that, including app launcher, homescreen, system status bars etc.
If you need to develop applications, you need the UI library. You probably won't need the homescreen or app launcher. Don't count on all of this being made available.
If you asked me, you don't need to wait for this release to develop applications. You can already develop meegotouch applications for your current N900, without flashing it. You could also distribute those apps to current "mainstream" n900 users.
... That would suck. Bad.
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2010-06-29
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#157
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Well, you'll also have the set of reference applications, basing on Quim's post to meego.com.
So by your definition all we'll see tomorrow is modified QT libraries?
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2010-06-29
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
No, there will be reference applications I believe. Plus the actual desktop/everything else packaged up nicely and working I'd guess.
So by your definition all we'll see tomorrow is modified QT libraries?
... That would suck. Bad.
As for the MeeGo Touch library, I'd personally avoid it - more information/some discussion at http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=524
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2010-06-29
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Originally Posted by w00t
Right, and I've seen that thread and I plan to avoid the M*.. but I was also under the impression we would see a desktop and an interface beyond just a few apps you launch from xterm as a "k, this is what the library looks like".
No, there will be reference applications I believe. Plus the actual desktop/everything else packaged up nicely and working I'd guess.
As for the MeeGo Touch library, I'd personally avoid it - more information/some discussion at http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=524
So I'm getting a bit of mixed signals here...
All we're really seeing tomorrow is a generic, non-descript desktop made for the sole purpose of showing the M* QT library which will be used in Nokia's Harmattan.. but the actual interface itself is nothing important?
Or does the interface we see tomorrow (if we see one? more confused..) included as part of the framework and we think Nokia will use that as well?
I had thought the MeeGo touch Framework would have included some basic things such as a desktop, launcher, basic user input, etc.. I was evidently incorrect in that.
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2010-06-29
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
While I don't have any firm idea, I'm pretty sure there *will* be interface stuff. The netbook release didn't just include a bunch of applications and say "here, go run them", for example.
Right, and I've seen that thread and I plan to avoid the M*.. but I was also under the impression we would see a desktop and an interface beyond just a few apps you launch from xterm as a "k, this is what the library looks like".
Originally Posted by fatalsaint
From what has been said in the past, this is a reference only. Vendors (including Nokia) are free to ignore that to any extent they want, provided they keep API/ABI compatibility in the underlying libraries.
Or does the interface we see tomorrow (if we see one? more confused..) included as part of the framework and we think Nokia will use that as well?
Originally Posted by fatalsaint
From having looked at it, it does. (mcompositor, etc) - though of course, whether this is what will be demonstrated tomororw is anyone's guess.
I had thought the MeeGo touch Framework would have included some basic things such as a desktop, launcher, basic user input, etc.. I was evidently incorrect in that.
I'm just going to stop bothering and speculating until tomorrow to be honest. It's too late to change anything, and too early to get worked up over it. If it turns out to be a flop, then I'll be the first lining up to point out how ridiculous it is.
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