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#1
As I read in the mynewpalm Thread, LG has aquired WebOS and is currently building Smart TVs with it.

They look kind of nice when I compare the usability with the courser and so on.
I am just wondering, how much Web OS is there in Web OS 2.0. Any one knows? Is it open source?

I am thinking of getting a Smart TV later this year, but I can't see myself with android...

Anyone here has any information about the OS and ecosystem?
 
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#2
2015 Will be the year when the OS war movement to tvs for real. WebOS tv are ok and With 2.0 Will be even better. Samsung will move to Tizen With their 2015 tvs. Panasonic launching With firefox OS. At the same time android Will move into tv area as well With sony and others...just look at what they all announced at CES 2015 and you Will get a taste...

http://youtu.be/shztxHbwQs8

One bad thing With LG is that IT seems they wont upgrade webOS 1.0 tvs(2014) to 2.0. Rembember that could be the same next year as well. if so IT sucks. https://mobile.twitter.com/AVForums/...97668567461888
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As a person with a 2014 LG WebOS 55" smartTV, let me tell you this. The likelihood of it getting an update past the year it's released is next to zero.

I like the UI, enjoy the speed, don't like the Magic Remote too well (wife hates it, that means I should too... but I like the absence of buttons).

If you're looking for cards, and other WebOS standards from the Palm/TouchPad, you'll be disappointed. On the backend, it seems like they stuck pretty close to Open WebOS on the backend. But if you're out to tinker with it, I doubt they'd allow it due to the inclusion of the store, et al (willing to bet they used certs, et al that aren't readily available to the open source)

Personally, I'm leaning more and more to a "dumb" TV and perhaps one of the Intel HDMI (like this) and making my TV into a display for whatever is attached to it and will allow me to upgrade and tinker as I see fit.

Just a thought. But so far, what I've seen supports the open WebOS statements above. I've yet to really dig too deeply though. Perhaps will once I get some time...
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#4
yea..
what gerbick said.
updating past the 1st yr tends to be NOT the norm when it comes to smart tv.

I've got and used the sony google tv ...not bad.

Had a lg smart tv ...not bad

the chromecast tv wasn't bad.

the new idea google will be running with (can't remem it's name at the mo.) integrates vocal command ...and searches (quasi) intelligently for queries.... could be interesting...

Apple tv (personally) won't even bother with.

Best smart tv "device" - platform - diversity of service - ease of use etc....I ever used (and still do) was / is my Boxee Box .
It simply beat all the others in every category. (at the time)

Thing is with smart tv devices is...
1- the content providers can and do decide on a whim to jump ship and go with a competitor device who is doing better. And that can work against or in favour of your choice.
2- updates...will there be any at all, will it be buggier after updating, how long to work out said bugz, etc.
3- how open is the device/ platform? How configurable...If you think that matters...that is...

Far as Samsung with Tizen goes...we'll see. Proof is in the pudding ...chickens before they hatch...etc.
Only serious things smart tv wise that should be anticipated with Samsung are
a- Tizen ...
b- they snarfed up the entire Boxee Box team (good for them since the last Boxee device they created was also live tv integrated and a few other innovations unfortunately it had a prob with serious-serious device overheating ...it wasn't a good sitch for the boxee team...) and for some years now they have been working for Samsung...so I would be expecting Samsung to be utilizing the hell out of their abilities.

Consequently ....Boxee Box... itself ...doesn't receive anymore updates...
But... a kind Boxee (team member) soul managed to open- 'er up and gave it to the community before the lights were shut off ... which resulted in Boxee+ the hackers edition...which is community supported to this day.

Beauty of the Boxee is... it is a child of XBMC ...which I love.
XBMC is grand ...updates always happening ....good platform....scads of channels...been around forever...has some apple tv services (if you look for 'em)..etc...
way way way too many to list

So for myself with alot of trying and using all kinds of smart tv devices and platforms...my Boxee and my XBMC in the end are what I found to be the most flexible ...have the most versatility...updates...open on top of all that...and still offered more than it's competitors....
I haven't had cable tv since I got my 1st Boxee (almost 5 years now) and happily haven't looked back...(I can't stand cable) and so now I enjoy my Boxee + and XBMC .

Of course everyone has their fav. device and platform ...

Best suggestion really-really-really do your homework...
just make sure you pick something that has longevity and real usability.
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Originally Posted by FlashInTheNight86 View Post
My 32" Sony LCD TV turns 10 this year, see absolutely no point in getting any Smart-Apple-Google-whatever-crap TV when you can get a dumb one and plug whatever you want in for the money you just saved, and upgrade seamlessly in future. Use mine for movies only (HDMI from notebook or RCA from N900), and will likely discard once I get a video projector, since TV takes a lot of place.
the point is that all those non-smart entrly level models usually lacks some inputs, have worse panels and what not. It's not just a lack of smart tv platform.
 
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I don't think you need any inputs other than HDMI with CEC (all current TVs have it).

Even though I would really like to try webOS TV (after having used webOS on smartphones and tablet), I must agree that buying a smart TV is pointless. I am now a happy owner of a Raspberry Pi (with OpenELEC on it) for some months and can't express enough how well it replaced the 'smart' in smart TV for me.

1080p playback (sure, if you need 4K, you need to go for something else), quite fast navigation, endless possibilities (home automation, DVB-T, hundreds of apps, ...). I think that current smart TVs can't do one quarter of what KODI/XBMC does and aren't that user friendly either (at least from my experience). And for the price of $35, it's a no-brainer.
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want smart tv on an old 10 yr tv...easy.
Considering Maemo.org is the home to all us Macgyver's.... really .... take a look at the type of input the tv can take....hdmi....
or if the tv and pc will take this type of connections..
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-PC-VGA-to...item2348f4beac
or this...
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/6Ft-DVI-to-HD...item4877f8241e
or this...
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10-FT-15-PIN-...item3a995c7a7c

It depends on what ports (specific) ports exist on your tv and what ones exist on your laptop / desktop.

For sound output...my suggestion is a headphone male connector(to pc headphone port) with female stereo Left and Right connector ends to output to your stereo. like this...
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/3-5mm-Stereo-...item51c9a3d2ea
and then use standard stereo connectors to your stereo system....
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2-RCA-Male-to...item19e5a6a1d8

I have a lenovo t400 (and in a slight deviation ...a 3 tb external storage connected to the laptop ...filled to the brim with film and audio with my fav stuff stored on it...) with XBMC installed on the laptop sitting discreetly beside my 2 yr old 60" Sony and hooked up to my stereo.
And to enjoy sitting on the couch surfing...I use this..
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/3in1-Mini-2-4...item4d1b82ec53

Total cost was stupid minimal...less than $35 for the remote and cables...
Flat out kick-arse-nice setup.
I did my setup originally some 5 years ago...
got a bigger better tv in the meantime...
haven't used standard tv since....
Haven't looked back since
No way I could go back to cable or "normal" tv.
I get more channels...more programming on xbmc than ever I could any other method.
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@endsormeans Good point, this is also a nice solution. The only problem I see might be the power consumption. I have the Pi almost always on and I calculated that if I was playing videos non-stop whole year, it would cost about 6EUR with my power provider. Of course, you must add the consumption of the monitor/TV and speakers, but the power consumption of the Pi is unbeatable.
 

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@endsormeans Good point, this is also a nice solution. The only problem I see might be the power consumption. I have the Pi almost always on and I calculated that if I was playing videos non-stop whole year, it would cost about 6EUR with my power provider. Of course, you must add the consumption of the monitor/TV and speakers, but the power consumption of the Pi is unbeatable.
Totally agree nodevel..
Messed around with a beagle and pi ...love 'em...
but yea power consumption is the thing with 'em....mitey good. run 'em off a potato. But having thx sound screamin at you with surround sound on a huge screen is ...well..wicked.
Otherwise...best low cost solution...
a laptop ...even an old beastie tucked away discreetly ....
tv (even an old one will do fine) ..
xbmc...
stereo...
connectors...
remote...
potato chips...
nachos and beer...
voila!
Instant bliss and envy of all your neighbours.
Me ...in the living room I got a boxee box and a sony google tv currently set up on my mantle beside the tv...and a lap with xbmc ontop of 1 of my speakers...so I flip 'tween them when the desire hits.
In my prime shop I have a nice large monitor (not too distracting...have been thinking about getting a projector lately though...) ...my surround sound system hooked up to my component stereo system and a lap with xbmc on it... (I'll throw up a couple of pics tomorrow when the sun is up and the lighting will be good...)
So when the lady wants (gadzooks) her shows I have no prob retiring to the shop and putting on something great music ...program....or film wise.
(Frankly I like my shop set up better.. anyway )
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PIMP MY N8X0
Everything you need tightly explained in layman's terms ..in an easy to understand format.. and a video walkthrough to boot.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGS
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAY
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242gb ON N800
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634

THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PRO
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AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTS
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think ama just buy a raspberry pi, stick the latest XBMC on it and stick it to the back of a tv. winning right there.
 
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