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Darius2006

2007-11-27, 01:43

Hi,
My friend is a happy owner of
Nokia 7700 touch smartphone

http://images.google.com/images?num=100&hl=en&resnum=0&q=Nokia+7700&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

and
Nokia 7710 touch smartphone
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&um=1&hl=en&q=Nokia+7710&btnG=Search+Images

Darius

Capt'n Corrupt

2007-11-27, 01:47

Uh... I'm happy too, but this isn't the place to discuss such things..

}:^)~
YARR!

Capt'n Corrupt

Darius2006

2007-11-27, 02:03

Uh... I'm happy too, but this isn't the place to discuss such things..

}:^)~
YARR!

Capt'n Corrupt

AFAIK, N900 is going to be successor of Nokia 7700 and Nokia 7710.
It is a right place to say, Nokia released tablet touch smartphones
already 3 years ago.
GSM + Bluetooth + touch + gprs + hsdps

I still see no idea why N770, N800, N810 are not entirely based on
N7700, N7710 tablet touch smarphones from the past ?

What has made Nokia to remove GSM part from N770, N800, N810,
already available in previous tablet touch models ?
Was OS an issue ?

Darius

Milhouse

2007-11-27, 04:33

AFAIK, N900 is going to be successor of Nokia 7700 and Nokia 7710.
It is a right place to say, Nokia released tablet touch smartphones
already 3 years ago.
GSM + Bluetooth + touch + gprs + hsdps

I still see no idea why N770, N800, N810 are not entirely based on
N7700, N7710 tablet touch smarphones from the past ?

What has made Nokia to remove GSM part from N770, N800, N810,
already available in previous tablet touch models ?
Was OS an issue ?

Darius
The "K" in AFAIK means "know" but I really don't think you have a clue what you're talking about - you have no idea if the N900 will be a successor to previous Nokia touchscreen phones yet you prevent this as fact. Then you ask one of the dumbest question that ever gets asked on this forum - why isn't it a phone? Do some research - it's been answered a thousand times and makes an awful lot of sense to most people.

Can't you find an iPod/iPhone forum to frequent? Please?

;)

pearl62

2007-11-27, 04:36

I had a 7710, and I found it incredibly frustrating because of a few bugs... and the fact that the OS (series-80) was a dead end. Also, only RS-MMC cards.

sachin007

2007-11-27, 04:39

Even i had the 7710. Eve though it was a little sluggish. I loved the widescreen display. remember this was way back in 2005. Nice phone with great speakers.

Darius2006

2007-11-27, 13:01

The "K" in AFAIK means "know" but I really don't think you have a clue what you're talking about - you have no idea if the N900 will be a successor to previous Nokia touchscreen phones yet you prevent this as fact. Then you ask one of the dumbest question that ever gets asked on this forum - why isn't it a phone? Do some research - it's been answered a thousand times and makes an awful lot of sense to most people.

Can't you find an iPod/iPhone forum to frequent? Please?

;)

My dear friend,

I was really not aware till yesterday's day, Nokia released tablet touch smartphones like N770, N800, N810 already 3 years ago.
Real tablet touch smartphones with GSM + GPRS + HSCDS with wide screen.
Finally I know from other users of Nokia 7700 / Nokia 7710, OS (Symbian) was an issue, to many bugs in OS Symbian made Nokia to its (Nokia 7700) to a market.

Now I know why some guys claim N770 is not from N-Series.
Nokia 7700 was not a success, Nokia 7700 was Nokia's defeat.

Now I know the reason to move from Symbian to open source Debian
and have hundreds of free developers and thousands of free testers.

Great idea.
Does it mean Symbian as OS comes to end soon ?
Next release of N95 already with Debian OS and touch screen ?

Frankly speaking , making Linux/Debian based gizmos is a great idea, see Google's Android project (joined as a developer).

What is wrong with your idea of iPod forums ?

Darius

TA-t3

2007-11-27, 13:24

At least move the discussion to the off-topic forum please, this is the N810 forum.

Darius2006

2007-11-27, 16:23

At least move the discussion to the off-topic forum please, this is the N810 forum.

My dear friend,

don't try to close our mouths.
N770, N800, N810 each one is downgrade to N7700, N7710.
3 years ago Nokia released excellent rich multimedia tablet smartphones
with camera, gsm + GPRS, www browser, messaging, images, fm radio, videoplayer.music player, Bluetooth.

Following 3 years I get the same product downgraded, GSM part removed
but priced much higher than previous tablet models.

I was told, OS and OS bugs were an issue.

I just need to know if I should decide to buy another tablet made by Nokia, i.e. N810 or await a new tablet model, already GSM enabled,
i.e. tablet touch smartphone as 3 years ago, due 2008.

Please don't generate spam, just give an answer, what went wrong with N7700, N7710.
I just need to know N810 will not to follow the same development path as N7700, N7710.
I have to make the right decision, should I buy a new laptop at $500 or a new N810 at the same price.

Please help me make the right decision.
That's all.

Thanks.
Darius

Darius2006

2007-11-27, 16:30

ragnar

2007-11-27, 16:34

Karel Jansens

2007-11-27, 16:48

The Nokia 7700/7710 (no, it's NOT the "N7710", please stop confusing yourself :) was a Symbian Series 90 UI powered smartphone. Symbian development focused on the Series 60 UI, for many reasons. As has been released, future versions of the Series 60 will once again support touch screens.

The Nokia 770 (it's not called the "N770"), the N800 and the N810 are Linux powered Internet tablets, built from scratch on top of open source components. There is very little shared with the 7710 device - although Nokia certainly uses some same technological components in multiple products - since the underlying codebase is fundamentally different. It is "not the same product with the GSM part removed".

Exactly. You might also add that Symbian Series 90 was almost painfully slow on the 7700 and 7710 (I think the 7700 was an "extended prototype" -- a bit like the Zaurus 5000 -- and not even meant for sale to the general public).

There was, in fact, one thing that did make it from the 7710 to the 770: Hildon. The user interface on the 7710 is an early version of Hildon on the Internet Tablets.

But that's it. "Darius2006" is making an oversized fool of himself by even suggesting that the two product lines have more than a passing resemblance. Ignorance isn't a bad thing in itself, but flaunting it is...

emory

2007-11-27, 17:21

I had a 7710, and I found it incredibly frustrating because of a few bugs... and the fact that the OS (series-80) was a dead end. Also, only RS-MMC cards.

It is an old device, predating the N770 by about a year.

They ran Symbian Series 90, not S80. S80 is the OS for the older communicator devices, 9300, 9500, 9300i, and older.

Edit: Oh, it looks like a few other people already did the clarifications. Sorry!

ragnar

2007-11-27, 17:50

Exactly. You might also add that Symbian Series 90 was almost painfully slow on the 7700 and 7710 (I think the 7700 was an "extended prototype" -- a bit like the Zaurus 5000 -- and not even meant for sale to the general public).
There was, in fact, one thing that did make it from the 7710 to the 770: Hildon. The user interface on the 7710 is an early version of Hildon on the Internet Tablets.

I have one 7710: the speed is acceptable in some use cases, but not so much in others. Going back to its browser for instance serves as a really good reminder on how much progress there has actually been made since that device.

The story of Hildon is interesting. Having been involved in its design I can certainly say that yes the initial baseline has bases on the Series 90 UI, but then again, the end result that is right now in the device - or that was even in the 770 timeframe - isn't really so closely the same.

To be specific, Task launching is different, portraying applications as running is different, task switching is different, task closing is different, the Home view is different, status access, text input methods, connectivity behaviour, main applications are all really different from the Series 90 UI style...

There are some elements that have currently remained: menus, overall style of dialogs etc., but really it's not as big of a list as you might assume. :) Also there are some things that if you create UI's on touch screen devices that rather naturally form into certain design patterns. Still, it's not invalid to point out the Hildon roots. :)

pauljohn32

2007-11-27, 18:08

get a laptop if you are unsure. n800/n810 stilll too limited to substitute. no printing, no battery saving suspend mode (hibernate), most apps unstable in one way or another. n810 only preferred for people who like to play with stuff and are pretty good at Debian linux.

TA-t3

2007-11-27, 18:16

My dear friend,

don't try to close our mouths.
First, I don't consider myself your dear friend, in fact you're starting to annoy me. Which is really a first on ITT.
Secondly, nobody's trying to "close your mouths". Please re-read what I wrote. There are multiple forums on ITT, in case you haven't noticed. You're posting about a completely irrelevant topic in the N810 forum, I merely suggested you move that to the proper, made-on-purpose forum called Off Topic, right here on ITT, where this discussion would be fine. Instead you post a new irrelevant thread in an N810 forum.

Oh, why am I even bothering, I know you don't care for such things.

EDIT: I was a bit grumpy there, but only the Nigerian mafia call me 'dear friend' these days..

kingka

2007-11-27, 18:47

this is the best thread ever.. did anyone catch heroes last night?? sylar is crazzy!! just killed maya's brother. i mean. wtf

TA-t3

2007-11-27, 19:08

lol... well, as we're so incredibly off-topic anyway, why not? Let's talk about Heroes.. :D

kingka

2007-11-27, 19:44

yea,my good friend... maya (maja??) is a cutie. i hope she doesnt die :( and wtf is up with kensae?? is he good or bad? man, this is intense....

Greyghost

2007-11-27, 21:04

I just need to know if I should decide to buy another tablet made by Nokia, i.e. N810

Probably not. Given what you've said, it seems unlikely that the experience of owning an N810 will rise to the level of your expectations.

fpp

2007-11-27, 21:10

What we need is this guy's invention, implemented as a vBulletin plugin. And right now.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/11/12/100954554/index.htm

Darius2006

2007-11-27, 23:02

What we need is this guy's invention, implemented as a vBulletin plugin. And right now.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/11/12/100954554/index.htm

Yahoo already installed stupid-filter and most of spam goes directly to trash.
Sometimes individual replies from maemo developers list go there too.
Building stupid-filter was my job 15 years ago.

BTW.
A nice Nokia 7700 blog comes from Finland.

http://nokia7700.blogspot.com/

Fans of N7700, N7710, N770, N800, N810

Already I know why Nokia 770 is not included into N770 N-Series product-line.
Nokia 7700 was great product but not market success.
Nokia 770 resembles to much its predecessor Nokia 7700.

Please have a look at Nokia7700 blog very for nice pictures.

To Nokia guys.
This place is not a shopping place.
So please don't force me to buy N810 immediately.

And don't be ashamed with your Nokia 7700, Nokia 7710, Nokia 770, really excellent first touch tablets made by Nokia.
Nokia 7700 was even more than Nokia 770 tablet, Nokia 7700 was already media rich touch tablet with camera and gsm.

I still have no answer why N810 is not smartphone yet.
3 years earlier Nokia 7700 was already excellent smarphone with gprs, bluetooth.
Look at dismantled parts of Nokia 7700 and GSM part.
I would prefer GSM module than keyboard in N810.

Darius
Thanks.
Darius

Karel Jansens

2007-11-27, 23:16

Nokia 7700 was great product but not market success.

That's quite understandable, as the 7700 was never available commercially!!!!!

The 7710, which could actually be bought, did not sell too shabbily for what it was: a weirdly-shaped, totally new device with a completely new operating system.

mike-y

2007-11-27, 23:27

pearl62

2007-11-27, 23:40

It is an old device, predating the N770 by about a year.

They ran Symbian Series 90, not S80. S80 is the OS for the older communicator devices, 9300, 9500, 9300i, and older.

Edit: Oh, it looks like a few other people already did the clarifications. Sorry!

Sorry, yes it was Series 90. Even more limiting!! I was actually very happy with the phone at the time, but it a weird problem with the dialer... Every time I called the AT&T conference call setup number, an automated operator would come on asking for the access code, but the 7710 wouldn't recognize an off-hook, so it wouldn't give me the on-screen dial pad. Very frustrating, and pretty much killed using it for work purposes for me anyway.

There really wasn't anything else like it at the time though... besides MS PocketPC/SmartPhone stuff, which is far worse.

Milhouse

2007-11-27, 23:42

Fans of N7700, N7710, N770, N800, N810

For the last time there's no such thing as a N7700, N7710 or N770 - you've already been corrected once, pay attention please. Don't bother posting again unless you can get the basics right! :)

As for the 77x0 devices, other than being handheld wide screen devices I fail to see what else they have in common with the current range of Nokia Internet Tablets. You're flogging a dead horse here trying to prove your argument which is that Nokia should go back to these old products in order to move forward - er no, actually Nokia have already learned all they needed to from those devices, which may explain why there is no phone/GSM module in the NITs.

I could tell you why Nokia didn't include phone functionality in the Nokia Internet Tablet range, but you probably wouldn't understand, but if you could you wouldn't believe me because you've already convinced yourself they should be mobile phones.

Please buy an iPhone.... :)

Karel Jansens

2007-11-27, 23:49

ok, I just looked up specs on the 7700/7710

64mb memory (or 90) is less than n800/n810

Old simbian OS instead of open source linux maemo platform

640 x 320 resolution screen (way less than the 800x480 on the 770/n800/n810)

NO WIFI.

I'm sorry, why would I want one of these old devices? it looks infererior in every single spec category than the internet tablets. Not to mention, you have to pay for a data plan if you want to browse the web. with my 770, I don't need to pay for a data plan, I just connect to a wifi hotspot, and I'm on the internet.

All good points, but the 7710's design is almost 4 years old. You also forgot to mention that it only takes MMC cards up to 1GB, that its videoplayer is incapable of displaying more than 18 fps and knows only of a couple of antediluvian formats.

But, quite interestingly, the 7710 came with a plastic stand that has an uncanny resemblance to the 770's stand. So "Darius2006" was right all along! They're the same!!! OMG!!!!

A couple of good points of the 7710 (some compared to other Symbian devices, others to the Internet Tablets):

- It had true multitasking. My UIQ-based P910 phone switches "Palm-like": if I switch applications, it loses information on a non-predictable basis.
- It came with a portable office suite (Documents To Go, I think. Or maybe QuickOffice). My N800 comes with nothing.
- It had transparent input windows, both keyboard and HWR input area, something still missing in the Internet Tablets.
- It had a better camera than the N8X0. Not that that is much of an achievement, but there you go.
- It had an actual PIM suite! Out of the box! And there's me thinking Nokia doesn't know this is possible.

But mostly it kinda sucked because it had so little memory that it sometimes reported negative numbers. (that last one's a joke, but only just)

Milhouse

2007-11-27, 23:56

But mostly it kinda sucked because it had so little memory that it sometimes reported negative numbers. (that last one's a joke, but only just)

Have you seen the size of the thing as well - it's so thick there's no way I could get that into a pocket... and I can't imagine putting it to the side of my head to talk into, the same designer must have been responsible for the 77x0 monstrosity as the original n-gage.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/kuramateusz/7700blogspot/rozkrecona/19.jpg

Now that you mention negative memory it reminds me of when I managed to get a VAX to allocate -1 page of virtual memory and not surprisingly a very bad thing happened: the entire machine locked up solid - my first but not last success at crashing the mighty VMS! Worse still, the machine was located about 5 miles away at the time with no onsite support so someone (not me!) had to walk (no transport) all the way to reboot it. :)

Darius2006

2007-11-28, 00:03

For the last time there's no such thing as a N7700, N7710 or N770 - you've already been corrected once, pay attention please. Don't bother posting again unless you can get the basics right! :)

-- stop spamming.
and stop your mentoring philosophy
it's only up to me to use a description I like.

I like N7700, N7710, N770, N800, N810 line
because it's agreed with Nokia's philosophy to build better products.
Each one in the above series is further development of Nokia tablet.
Don't be ashamed of your products, your marketing strategy, your success and defeat.
Just do your job.
_______

As for the 77x0 devices, other than being handheld wide screen devices I fail to see what else they have in common with the current range of Nokia Internet Tablets.

-- your problem is your problem
Look at the following Nokia 7700 blog from Finland.

http://nokia7700.blogspot.com

You're flogging a dead horse here trying to prove your argument which is that Nokia should go back to these old products in order to move forward -

-- exactly what Nokia already does.
Nokia 770 was released with no camera
and Nokia 800 was released already with camera.

Nokia 810 was released with camera and no cell phone part
and Nokia 900 is due with wimax and cell phone circuitry.

____
er no, actually Nokia have already learned all they needed to from those devices, which may explain why there is no phone/GSM module in the NITs.

-- mayby mayby, don't speak for Nokia,

I could tell you why Nokia didn't include phone functionality in the Nokia Internet Tablet range, but you probably wouldn't understand, but if you could you wouldn't believe me because you've already convinced yourself they should be mobile phones.

-- philosophy and poetry is not my strong point as yours

Please buy an iPhone.... :)

-- Nokia is in competition war with Apple
and iPhone is flag ship in the war.

-- Nokia products in US have half the EU's price.

There is nothing wrong in competition.
But global markets are open and Apple's products are readily available in Europe and there is no way to stop private import.
Thousands of guest students bring back gizmos, cell phones, laptops from US to Europe.

Nokia's plans are to release Tablet cell phone as soon as possible.

You are fully aware Debian based products are not hot product, ok for Linux fans but not generating market share and profit.

It's ok to develop Linux based gizmos.
It's ok for Nokia and for Google,developing Android.

If you are on staff of Nokia, you shouldn't be ashamed of Nokia 7700, Nokia 7710, Nokia 770 models.
Really excellent to me.

If you are downgrading these models today how can I trust you in what you say today about N810.
You have told the same about these models 3 years ago, trying to sell them to new buyers.

You can succeed presenting such marketing strategy.
I don't trust you.
Your comments are to much business-profit-orientated.

Closed.
No more response pls.

Milhouse

2007-11-28, 00:23

Whatever. :)

Did you discover who created the Maemo "virus" you "found" the other week, and have you uncovered the Microsoft mastermind responsible for this very site?

pearl62

2007-11-28, 06:43

7700 = Darth Vader's phone

fpp

2007-11-28, 06:53

Oh, and Darius : please learn to trim your quotes, especially when your 50-line rant about whatever just crossed your mind has nothing to do whatsoever with the 50-line post you are quoting...

And why close this thread ? It's fun ! and useful too, it replaces an entire forum all by itself. Hey, let's talk about UFOs. Did you know that Nokia is hiding its very own UFO in Helsinki, which it got from the Soviets who found it in the tundra and traded it for wodka ?

Maybe the aliens designed the 7700 and 7710. That would explain everything, really.

emory

2007-11-28, 17:01

Yahoo already installed stupid-filter and most of spam goes directly to trash.
Sometimes individual replies from maemo developers list go there too.
Building stupid-filter was my job 15 years ago.

Big deal. That isn't so hard:

grep -i "darius2006" Internets | xargs rm -rf

Or, for those of you operating killfiles:

/^From:.*Darius2006@*\.*/h:j

\o/ win!

emory

2007-11-28, 17:37

If you are downgrading these models today how can I trust you in what you say today about N810.
You have told the same about these models 3 years ago, trying to sell them to new buyers.

You can succeed presenting such marketing strategy.
I don't trust you.
Your comments are to much business-profit-orientated.

Closed.
No more response pls.

I forgot that Nokia wasn't a business. Apparently they're a charity for people that refuse to use current products.

Nokia isn't forcing you to buy anything. If you want to use a 770, use a 770. You haven't lost any functionality from when you bought the 770. The N800 and N810 are capable of doing more. This is partially hardware of course, the 770 is slow running OS 2006.

If you don't want to buy an IT, don't buy an IT. If you have worked in this industry as long as you say you have, then why would it surprise you so much that product lines change, hardware improves, and revisions are frequent?