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Nokia has invested a lot in Ovi Maps. While it has lot of potential, it's not perfect. However, instead of trying to find an alternative product, why not give some suggestions on how it could be improved?
Please put only one idea per solution, this way each idea can be voted separately.
Brainstorm Link (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions/)
Based on the amount of votes, I created a new brainstorm just for Turn by Turn Navigation. (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_turn_by_turn_navigation/)
This is really a very important issue.
The all future of Nokia is in is ability to take the right decision know. This time they needs to act fast. We all know that’s not the usual company practice.
Everybody that cares with the future of Maemo should participate in this brainstorm:
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions/?solution=free_turn_by_turn_navigation_on_ovi
Nokia should implement free turn by turn navigation on OVI. Although it’s a difficult decision for Navteq, it’s better to make it now, while in the position of world best map supplier. The model should be; the users add corrections and traffic information to the available maps.
The revenue should come from advertisement.
Add CHEAP Turn by Turn Navigation. In former years there was a 3 year license Modell. But it was also very expensive.
Actually there are in the maximum a one year abonnoment possible for OVI Maps (only S60) and it is mostly as expensive as the 3 year license Modell. :(
And I know myself. I'm to stingy to order a one day license when I need it. Even I'm driving with continious looking on the navi. And I guess this is not a secure solution. :(
I BOUGHT Route 66 Mobile for S60 for my N95. It was about 70€ but a great software. And not a Abonnement. It's now MINE and I can continue using it on my N95. I would love something like this on the N900.
Well, I think it could be improved by having greater integration with the calendar and address book apps, as the link in my sig suggests... why not have a look at that? 8-)
I added suggestions for Location Sharing and Off-line maps.
Maps need the ability to create and upload landmarks...
this is not a luxury feature anymore, it is a qualifier
Maps need the ability to create and upload landmarks...
this is not a luxury feature anymore, it is a qualifier
I agree. Creating any custom content, not just landmarks, is a must for modern navigation applications.
Looking at http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions/ I don't know whether it is good to have brainstorms with such a wide scope.
For instance, only having turn by turn navigation is a deep topic. You could have one brainstorm about this topic and list there all the possible solutions, being an fOvi Maps implementation one of them.
Now there are 16 solutions listed and the whole brainstorm about Ovi Maps is difficult to manage.
quim,
i actually think this is one of the better brainstorming entries.
lots of choices and available options - just what you expect from a brainstorming session!
what we now need is the capability to boil down the most viable and desired options and decisions into a formulated plan of action.
Well, now put yourself in the position of Ovi Maps. Imagine that one of the 15 proposals is due next week and the other 14 are not even roadmapped. Should we resolve "Implemented" selecting only the one solution or should we leave the item open until, say 7 of the 15 eally different proposals are implemented?
In the meantime, imagine that Feature X proposed in Solution N is not implemented by Ovi Maps yet but there are several alternatives that implement it very well. Do we need to keep that part open because the solutions need to be around Ovi Maps or would users be happy just by getting the features from anybody now?
I believe some of the most voted "solutions" would deserve a brainstorm in its own. Turn by turn navigation is a good example.
I 2nd on the landmarks thing. Plus search could be improved, couldn't find the postcodes I tried (UK).
Well, now put yourself in the position of Ovi Maps. Imagine that one of the 15 proposals is due next week and the other 14 are not even roadmapped. Should we resolve "Implemented" selecting only the one solution or should we leave the item open until, say 7 of the 15 eally different proposals are implemented?
In the meantime, imagine that Feature X proposed in Solution N is not implemented by Ovi Maps yet but there are several alternatives that implement it very well. Do we need to keep that part open because the solutions need to be around Ovi Maps or would users be happy just by getting the features from anybody now?
I believe some of the most voted "solutions" would deserve a brainstorm in its own. Turn by turn navigation is a good example.
I see your point. Maybe we should use this brainstorm to see what ideas are popular and then create a separate brainstorms for those?
OK, I made a new brainstorm for Turn by Turn Navigation. Here is the Talk Link (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=429683) and Brainstorm Link (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_turn_by_turn_navigation/). Please vote for the proposal. :)
louiskkchan
2009-12-18, 03:15
good to have n900 to download the map from home country onto N900 directly (without software on PC suite). N900 is so powerful so I don't see why we still need to connect it via PC Suite
OK, I made a new brainstorm for Turn by Turn Navigation. Here is the Talk Link (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=429683) and Brainstorm Link (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_turn_by_turn_navigation/). Please vote for the proposal. :)
You create duplicate for existing brain storm. I don't think it is good idea.
Original brainstorm is here: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions/
Feature parity with the Symbian Ovi Maps seems like the most logical and easiest thing to ask.
Agree, all the latest Symbian stuf should be in like online routing and saving favorites etc.
Just make it like Ovi Maps 3 on symbian to start with.
You create duplicate for existing brain storm. I don't think it is good idea.
Original brainstorm is here: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions/
See post 12 (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=426227&postcount=12). There is a reason for this "duplicate". ;)
jcompagner
2009-12-19, 16:07
Just make it like Ovi Maps 3 on symbian to start with.
+1 on my E90 Maps 3.0 was fine to use it did all the basic things a navigation software needs to do. Before 3 it had some issues but 3 fixed a lot.
The ability to add a point- ie landmarks would be great!
I never remember where the restaurant is that I read a review about is located. If I could read the review, add then a point on the map so when I turn on my GPS when I am in the area - voila there it is.
Maybe a proximity alarm too ;)
+1 for landmark
Anwarboy11
2009-12-23, 14:20
ovi maps is so **** !!!
went into town today (manchester) decided to use ovi maps to locate my nearest hmv, it found it but my location was all wronge, and when asked for directions they were all wrong, when i said track me.... that didnt work either.
it took a while to set up and didnt work in the end anyway.
how poor. =(
what we need is a standard google maps app like the one the iphone has, somthing that makes it simple to get directions and follow them on a map, and fast
osfight.de
2009-12-23, 14:54
Nokia has invested a lot in Ovi Maps. While it has lot of potential, it's not perfect. However, instead of trying to find an alternative product, why not give some suggestions on how it could be improved?
Please put only one idea per solution, this way each idea can be voted separately.
Brainstorm Link (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions/)
Based on the amount of votes, I created a new brainstorm just for Turn by Turn Navigation. (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_turn_by_turn_navigation/)
To what are u referring exactly? In general people say that Ovi Maps 3.0 is not yet released for N900. So the rating would apply to the new version, right? Or does the 3 in 3.0 only refer to the maps and not the program?
On the other hand it looks like OVI maps needs a complete new team of developers, as what they offer now is completely useless and you honestly have to ask yourself who is responsible for that.
I actually do not see hope for OVI until a major new release. So I won`t vote till something comes up from which we actually can start from, the current position is indiscussible.
I really hope that Nokia steps up their development efforts on the Ovi Maps front.
It is my single biggest complaint about my N900. I consider it completely useless in its current form, and I routinely have to make excuses or apologize about its functionality when people open it. I honestly wish I could uninstall it so that when I let people see my device they don't accidentally click on it...it is really that bad.
Anyway, instead of just complaining, I've been trying to start adding suggestions in the brainstorm. Would there be any possibility of this app opening up so the community could help out with the development effort?
One last thing, but is it just me or is the brainstorm servers running REALLY slowly? I'm getting timeouts relatively frequently.
OK, I made a new brainstorm for Turn by Turn Navigation. Here is the Talk Link (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=429683) and Brainstorm Link (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_turn_by_turn_navigation/). Please vote for the proposal. :)
The "sub" brainstorm about Turn by Turn Navigation is not getting many votes. So maybe having a new brainstorm of each idea that gets many votes, is not that great idea after all.
Well, now put yourself in the position of Ovi Maps. Imagine that one of the 15 proposals is due next week and the other 14 are not even roadmapped. Should we resolve "Implemented" selecting only the one solution or should we leave the item open until, say 7 of the 15 eally different proposals are implemented?
In the meantime, imagine that Feature X proposed in Solution N is not implemented by Ovi Maps yet but there are several alternatives that implement it very well. Do we need to keep that part open because the solutions need to be around Ovi Maps or would users be happy just by getting the features from anybody now?
I believe some of the most voted "solutions" would deserve a brainstorm in its own. Turn by turn navigation is a good example.
What if there could be away to flag a solution instead of the entire brain storm "implemented"? This way people can still continue voting on the other solutions or add new ones.
Lazarpandar
2009-12-24, 20:57
Do you all realize how much money some of these would cost to implement?
"The revenue should come from advertisement" There aren't enough users to make this a viable source of revenue.
Who's going to vote no for any of these this is stupid. Of course we want more features, this applies to any application. Nokia and the maemo team know this. But putting up very obviously one sided polls doesn't solve anything. (If they did, I'd be making a poll on whether or not the community wants a fully functional PS3 emulator.)
The original post in this thread is exactly like those comments on iTunes "VOTE YES IF U THINK APPLE SHOULD GET THE BEATLES ON ITUNES", so incredibly short-sighted.
jcompagner
2009-12-24, 22:24
All these votes for specific things are not really helping now, the only thing they should do is make ovi maps on the N900 just as good as ovi maps 3.0. Thats jut the goal
and about revenue thats also simple, just do the same thing as on S60, i had a 3 year contract there. including sub contracts like City explorer. So they made money from me. And i would do the same for the N900 but they have to improve it because what we have no is just so bad...
For those wanting offline maps for the n900, you can do it.
http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html
That has instructions for S60, but it is the same for the N900, just find the correct location:
/cities/diskcache/
All these votes for specific things are not really helping now, the only thing they should do is make ovi maps on the N900 just as good as ovi maps 3.0. Thats jut the goal
and about revenue thats also simple, just do the same thing as on S60, i had a 3 year contract there. including sub contracts like City explorer. So they made money from me. And i would do the same for the N900 but they have to improve it because what we have no is just so bad...
I'm not familiar with Ovi Maps 3.0 or the S60. However I am very familiar with non-cell-phone handheld GPS devices such as Garmin GPSMAP 76CSx which works without any Internet or cell connections or contracts. All the functionality including turn-by-turn navigation is built into the device software. In my opinion, the goal would be to make the N900 work more like a Garmin and less like other cell phones.
Cell phone users seem too quick to give money up per minute, per call, per month. You shouldn't have to do that for a GPS and some maps. Garmin makes good money licensing maps (one-time) and for map upgrades/updates (every couple of years). Why can't Ovi Maps do the same?
OVI Maps is a non-starter for people looking at my N900. The bottom line is that it needs to be competitive with Google Maps on the iPhone and Andoid platforms at the same price -- free -- or the N900 and Nokia will continue to be marginalized.
With devices like the TomTom XL340S with turn-by-turn directions, live map updates, and text-to-speech capabilities retailing at $100-120, there isn't a lot of room for a half-baked solution here, even if the N900 GPS problems (namely can't get a fix in any reasonably amount of time) can be resolved.
Automatic rerouting would be nice when on the move, also would be nice to see where I am, the little red spot on the purple route doesn't stand out too well...
Well, now put yourself in the position of Ovi Maps. Imagine that one of the 15 proposals is due next week and the other 14 are not even roadmapped. Should we resolve "Implemented" selecting only the one solution or should we leave the item open until, say 7 of the 15 eally different proposals are implemented?
In the meantime, imagine that Feature X proposed in Solution N is not implemented by Ovi Maps yet but there are several alternatives that implement it very well. Do we need to keep that part open because the solutions need to be around Ovi Maps or would users be happy just by getting the features from anybody now?
I believe some of the most voted "solutions" would deserve a brainstorm in its own. Turn by turn navigation is a good example.
A month later...
Is it me the only one thinking that http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions/ has gone out of control? Brainstorm proposals need to be around a concrete proposal.
Now what? Imagine that one of the 21(!) "solutions" is under development. Should we move the whole proposal to In Development and leave a big question mark about all the rest?
A concrete example:
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions/#free_turn_by_turn_navigation_on_ovi is the most "popular" brainstorm at http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm and
"Solution #2: Free turn by turn navigation on OVI (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions/#free_turn_by_turn_navigation_on_ovi)" is the 5th most popular proposal of solution.
I want to comment officially on it, since there was an official announcement last week about Nokia Maps offering free navigation. However, if I move the brainstorm to Under Development selecting that solution at the same time the other 22 proposals will be carried away with the move.
Maybe some of them will be implemented by Ovi Maps but I don't want to get into more details now. Please tell me how to proceed.
A concrete example:
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions/#free_turn_by_turn_navigation_on_ovi is the most "popular" brainstorm at http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm and
"Solution #2: Free turn by turn navigation on OVI (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions/#free_turn_by_turn_navigation_on_ovi)" is the 5th most popular proposal of solution.
I want to comment officially on it, since there was an official announcement last week about Nokia Maps offering free navigation. However, if I move the brainstorm to Under Development selecting that solution at the same time the other 22 proposals will be carried away with the move.
Maybe some of them will be implemented by Ovi Maps but I don't want to get into more details now. Please tell me how to proceed.
I suggest having a status per solution rather than a status per brainstorm, this way a solution can be marked as implemented, while another is still under consideration or under development... is it too late to restructure the brainstorm/solution format?
because putting each idea in a separate brainstorm will create a mess, the idea of brainstorming is to mention all related ideas to the subject being brainstormed to trigger participants come up with more and more related ideas.
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