MyMenu

[manzn]

Hy @all,

2 weeks ago i read the freedesktop.org manual, because there are too much Icons under more....

So i wrote a package with updatefunction

it look now like this screenshot:

http://maemo.3ion.at/menuestruktur.jpg

what do you think?

Manzn

[thp]

Great - publish the source, create a package, submit it to extras-devel, let developers test it, fix bugs, submit again, promote to extras-testing, let power users test it, fix bugs, (...), promote to extras when it's been tested and stable. Thanks :)

[manzn]

@thp i still waiting for the "invitation" of extra-devel :-D

[zehjotkah]

super sieht das aus!!!
*habenwill* :D

ist das ein extra programm, oder kommt das, wenn man auf das icon links oben klickt?

english:
that looks awesome!
*iwantit* :D

is that an extra program, or comes that screen by clicking on the menu icon on the left?

[DrWilken]

Great idea...! ;)

[thp]

@thp i still waiting for the "invitation" of extra-devel :-D

Publishing the source and creating the package does not need an invitation. Only uploading to extras-devel does ;)

[Netweaver]

publish please, love to try it out !!

[manzn]

@zehjotkah

at this moment the version 0.2 support german and english

for install follow this steps:

1) you need rootsh -> pls install

2) dowload follow deb's:
http://maemo.3ion.at/mymenu-0.2.20100101_armel.deb
http://maemo.3ion.at/wget_1.10.2-2osso3_armel.deb
3) start xterm
4) sudo gainroot
5) change to the directory where you download it (with cd /home/user/.....)
6) install with this command:
dpkg -i wget_1.10.2-2osso3_armel.deb mymenu-0.2.20100101_armel.deb

and have fun :-D (under "sonstige" or "other" you find the update funktion)

for uninstall insert this command:
dpkg -r mymenu

[manzn]

ps: for missing apps or wrong assigned, report please to maemo@3ion.at

[zehjotkah]

installed works perfectly!!
thanks
video is on the way...

[manzn]

@zehjotkah thx you

@all german speeking people - here is e nice blog to read -> maemo.pocket.at
and a big thx to the moderator Helmut and the user who helped me to
build this package

[Netweaver]

not soo good, dpkg gave an error during the install. It then killed the hildon desktop app. And I was stuck. I couldn't close the terminal sesion anymore. rebooting now ... sweat ...

hail, all works fine :)

ough ... :)

One question, is it a hardcoded mapping of applications to 'subfolders' or is it based on the information embedded in the package as in the package manager ?

btw, Why is "attitude" stored in the Graphics subfolder ? Because it's a nice horizon ? ;) Oh well, I guess all these 'pure' accelerometer apps need to go somewhere :D

Looking and working really good ! Please share the joy an put it in the extras-devel. So if I brick my phone an need reflashing sometime in the future I have as little work to reinstate my personal N900 as possible.

Thanks again !

[zehjotkah]

not soo good, dpkg gave an error during the install. It then killed the hildon desktop app. And I was stuck. I couldn't close the terminal sesion anymore. rebooting now ... sweat ...

that's strage. for me it worked everything fine.
it killed hildon desktop, but restartet it then again...

it is possible to rearrange the category icons?
on your screenshot you've a different order than I...

[hstende]

How will this work if I have another language than english or deutch?

If I could help I could translate for norwegian.

[reycat]

Thanks!

Just installed it. Got the same error as Netweaver, but after a reboot everything works fine.

By the way...
Tear, Google Latitude, vpnc GUI -> Network
SDLMAME -> Games

Amazing work! Thank you again.

[manzn]

@Netweaver

at this moment the apps are hardecoded - the version 1.0 from freedesktop.org cant read based information of packages - maybee in future with the last version of freedesktop.org

@zehjotkah oh i see - this was the screenshot of v0.1

here is the screenshot of v0.2:
http://maemo.3ion.at/menustruktur1.jpg

@hstende send you later a pm - thx for your interrest

[zehjotkah]

the video is online:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYGF69-uuS8

but youtube is currently still processing it.. for HD come back in some minutes after youtube is ready...

ok, youtube is now ready, it's in HD

[manzn]

@zehjotkah & reycat

please push under System the update-menu button,
the wrong assigned apps are now in the right categories!

@zehjotkah thx for this nice video

[zehjotkah]

how long should i wait after clicking the update-menu button?
i've also tried a reboot, but nothing has changed...

[christexaport]

Is this yet in the repos? And is it optified?

[zehjotkah]

Is this yet in the repos? And is it optified?

did you watch my video? ;) (here is the link in case you've missed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYGF69-uuS8
then you would know, that it is not YET in the repos. don't know about optified...

[manzn]

@zehjotkah looks like a bug - hmm... i look on it - in normal the hildon-desktop should restart and then the update is ready

give me a few minutes/hours to get this problem

@christexaport MyMenu is at this moment not in a repo

[humble]

I love this idea!!! good work sir:)

[benny1967]

2 weeks ago i read the freedesktop.org manual, […]

what do you think?

I think it's great and it has to be in Extas for everybody to enjoy. I don't know why Nokia came up with such a braindead way of organizing (?) the menu when your work shows how great a freedesktop-compliant application menu can be.

By the way:
In case an application maintainer puts a line like
Categories=Graphics;
into the .desktop file installed by the package - will your program automatically read and interpret it correctly?

[fpp]

Excellent ! Installation went without a hitch (hildon-desktop and all), I use the French version of Maemo5 and it works with no problems (except for the mixed languages on the icons :-).

The only strange thing is that update-menu does not seem to work: it just sits there spinning in the title bar, with a black screen below, does not print anything and never ends. If I switch to another app I can't find it again, it doesn't show in the tasks lists. Is that normal ?

Oh, and also: battlegeweled is correctly placed under "Games", its cousin "Gweled" should be, too (it's not in any repo yet, but the Maemo4 .deb is installable manually).

As others have mentioned, the best way would be to use the Category from App Manager, when it becomes possible.

Thanks a lot ! menu systems have always been lacking one way or another under Maemo, and each time someone has stood up to fill the gap :-)

[zehjotkah]

whats the name of update-menu, so that i can run it in the cl? maybe the error will tell us, why it's not working.

[manzn]

@zehjotkah

pls give a little more time - i already know where the problem is

[jukey]

Hi,

nice app which should be in in extras. :)

Btw. thank you because the package is already optified.

After it's installation I got a area on the right side of the screen which looks wrong, see this Screenshot:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4242056502_db7b3fed86_o_d.png

After rebooting the device it does not happens again.

Ciao jukey

[manzn]

@jukey thx for the info - i see you already have the PR 1.1 on your device - (i don't have) - is the mymenu working on it?

[manzn]

@all

i think i have fixed the update problem

please download following deb:

http://maemo.3ion.at/mymenu-0.3.20100103_armel.deb

install the new deb and please test the update function

[zehjotkah]

unstall the previous version before?

[manzn]

@zehjotkah no - the package uninstall the old version

[zehjotkah]

update does not work. not on wlan, not on 3.5G.

[manzn]

damn -

here the debug instruction:
pls download the deb again - put the newest version now online (already v0.3) and install it

start xterm with following command:
sudo /opt/menu-update/update.sh

you should see the updateprocess in the bash - pls send me the error

thx manzn

[zehjotkah]

~ $ sudo /opt/menu-update/update.sh
sudo: unable to execute /opt/menu-update/update.sh: No such file or directory
~ $ root


BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

Nokia-N900-42-11:~# sudo /opt/menu-update/update.sh
Nokia-N900-42-11:~#

[Bundyo]

Mine doesn't :(

Also the package didn't install cleanly but that's maybe a problem in my box.

[manzn]

so a new version is out:
http://maemo.3ion.at/mymenu-0.4.20100103_armel.deb

i have cleand now the install script - pls test this

@all thx you for your requests and for your motivation to test my deb :-D

[fpp]

I updated to 0.4 successfully, but menu-update is still the same: no output when run from xterm, just a spinner when run from icon... sorry !

[manzn]

Hello fpp,

pls can you enter follow command:
ls -r /opt/*

and post oder mail me the output

[synca]

gonna wait till it gets into extras-testing but I look forward to it! If needed help to translate in dutch give me a headsup.

[amorek13]

good job awsome works great
update does not work just sits there

[Dosenblech]

Hello Manzn...me again. :)
I just updated to Version 0.4. of mymenu.
I got also a error:

Preparing to replace mymenu 0.2.20100101 (using mymenu-0.4.20100103_armel.deb) ...
update.desktop cleaned
Stopping hildon-desktop
Starting hilden-desktop
dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
rm: cannot remove '/var/lib/dpkg/info/mymenu*': No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing mymenu-0.4.20100103_armel.deb (--install):
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
mymenu-0.4.20100103_armel.deb

I hope I could help you.
Good luck.

Dosenblech

[Dosenblech]

Ähmm....sorry me again.... -
after a restart a have the old settings with "Mehr..." ?!

[benny1967]

Let me ask again which mechanisms are used to determine the folder an application goes to? Is it hard-wired? Does it try to read Category-information from the desktop-file? ...?

[manzn]

@dosenblech - thx for your info - v0.4 upgraded for your error - this problem is fixed - not the update :-(

[manzn]

@benny1967

at the moment it is hardcoded in the hilden.menu under /etc/xdg/menus - there are no Category-Infos in the .desktop files at this moment - mayby in the future

@dosenblech pls download v.04 again and install it - this was the uninstallscript

[benny1967]

@benny1967

at the moment it is hardcoded in the hilden.menu under /etc/xdg/menus - there are no Category-Infos in the .desktop files at this moment - mayby in the future

:D
This is certainly a chicken-egg problem. No developer will ever put Categories in his .desktop-files if they go unused on the N900.

But if only one applications/launcher such as yours starts using them... You could start a revolution. ;)

Anyway, once you allow users to move around applications, you need a place to store the current location of the app. The .desktop file is a good place for this... So why not write to the .desktop file in case it doesn't already include a category (or in case the category needs to be changed) and then always read from the .desktop file when you have to determine where to put an application?

[Dosenblech]

@manzn
okay - it's back again!
The show can go on..... ;)

[thp]

This is certainly a chicken-egg problem. No developer will ever put Categories in his .desktop-files if they go unused on the N900.

But if only one applications/launcher such as yours starts using them... You could start a revolution. ;)

Adding proper category support is in line with Maemo's goal of better Mainstream Linux Alignment (http://wiki.maemo.org/Mainstream_Linux_Alignment).

For the list of proper categories (Appendix A of the Menu Spec (http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html)) and the format of .desktop files, see Desktop Entry Spec (http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/) and the Desktop Menu Spec (http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/). It's better to use this proven (and widely-supported) category system than to invent a new one, and applications ported from the Linux Desktop most likely already have a proper category entry.

Oh, and as some other people have already pointed out, please gettextize (http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/manual/gettext/gettextize-Invocation.html) your program and publish the source and ideally link the source repo to Transifex (http://www.transifex.net/), so community members from all over the world can start submitting translations for your application :) Publishing the source is really more helpful than you might think.

[d-iivil]

Just two words: GREAT APP!

[DaSilva]

:D
This is certainly a chicken-egg problem. No developer will ever put Categories in his .desktop-files if they go unused on the N900.

But if only one applications/launcher such as yours starts using them... You could start a revolution. ;)

Anyway, once you allow users to move around applications, you need a place to store the current location of the app. The .desktop file is a good place for this... So why not write to the .desktop file in case it doesn't already include a category (or in case the category needs to be changed) and then always read from the .desktop file when you have to determine where to put an application?

That would be awesome!

[fpp]

Hello fpp,
pls can you enter follow command:
ls -r /opt/*
and post oder mail me the output

Sorry manz -- I'm at work and I forgot my N900 at home this morning, probably not enough awake on this first day of the year :-)

I'll do it this evening if no one beats me to it...

[stobbsc]

This looks like an awesome app. I can't wait for it to hit testing, the I'll be installing this asap :-)

[Jaffa]

This is certainly a chicken-egg problem. No developer will ever put Categories in his .desktop-files if they go unused on the N900.

You could use the sections which a user has found to get the app:


for i in *.desktop; do
PKG=`dpkg -S "${i}"`
SECTION=`apt-cache show "${PKG}" | grep ^Section: | cut -d' ' -f 2
}


This is useful for the user and also aligns with #3822 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3822).

So why not write to the .desktop file in case it doesn't already include a category (or in case the category needs to be changed) and then always read from the .desktop file when you have to determine where to put an application?

Changing a third party package's files to shuffle things around isn't very polite.

[manzn]

@jaffa thx nice input

@all i have a new version online - testet bei Tom

http://maemo.3ion.at/mymenu-0.4.1.20100104_armel.deb

nice testing - Tom means the update version is ok - plese give me a response :-D

[soleil]

How can I know which version I have ? I can't find MyMenu in AppManager

[manzn]

@soleil

in xterm enter following command: dpkg -s mymenu | grep Version

[geneven]

Wow, groovy! I guess the main menu is supposed to be the system of shortcuts you can put on the desktop, but this is very helpful.

[soleil]

My version is 0.4.20100103 and I can't update to 20100104 which the script update-menu of MyMenu

[manzn]

@soleil - the update-menu is only for the apps not for a update function for the debian package - you musst download the newest version and install it per xterm with dpkg -i mymenu-0.4.1.20100104_armel.deb

[zehjotkah]

for me the update does not work.
latest version, WLAN and 3G

edit: same output as yesterday:
~ $ sudo /opt/menu-update/update.sh
sudo: unable to execute /opt/menu-update/update.sh: No such file or directory
~ $ root


BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

Nokia-N900-42-11:~# sudo /opt/menu-update/update.sh
Nokia-N900-42-11:~#

[manzn]

@zehjotkah thx for your info

pls log in xterm as root and start it so: /opt/menu-update/update.sh
(without sudo)

[zehjotkah]

~ $ root


BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

Nokia-N900-42-11:~# /opt/menu-update/update.sh
-sh: /opt/menu-update/update.sh: not found

[manzn]

@all can anyone of you give me a ssh login to your n900 to look what the problem is? tom's and my device work fine - i can't duplicate the error on my device :-(

sorry it' s a very bad cry for help :-D

[zehjotkah]

how can i do that?
write me on msn...

[Bundyo]

You're using bash which is not available on all devices.

[manzn]

@zehjotkah

no msn :-( i write you a pn over maemo.org

[manzn]

@Bundyo

damn it - yes it juse bash - but why is bash not an every device?

[hstende]

I also have this problem.
if I run:
/opt/menu-update/update.sh
I get "/bin/sh: /opt/menu-update/update.sh: not found"
if I run:
sh /opt/menu-update/update.sh
it works ok.
ls -la /opt/menu-update/update.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1 1000 1000 1469 Jan 3 22:00 /opt/menu-update/update.sh

change heading in file update.sh
from #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/sh and then it works

[Bundyo]

Bash is big, Nokia uses busybox (http://www.busybox.net/about.html).

[manzn]

@Bundyo thx - what a misstake from me

here is the new version with /bin/sh

http://maemo.3ion.at/mymenu-0.4.2.20100104_armel.deb

[Bundyo]

Now the menu item works.

[manzn]

wow hard work :-D

big thx to you - sorry is my first package

[zehjotkah]

now update is working...

[reycat]

Installation of the last version worked flawlessly (no errors, Hildon desktop restarted without a glitch) and update-menu also works. Thanks!

[manzn]

@all no i have to thx all of you - you helped me to build this package

next barrier -> build the package for extra-devel :-D

[dread123]

works brilliant..thanks

[casper27]

Works flaweless installation. Worthy of going into Repos. Great application.

[Dosenblech]

GREAT! :)
I just updated to Version 0.4.2.20100104
Thanks....

[fpp]

Well I came in too late to be of any help, but I can confirm this last version works just fine... thanks for a great improvement to our N900 !

[manzn]

@all in this forum - is there an other developer which is interrest to help me!?

I can't pack a source package - never done it bevore - read much about it, but i think i'm too silly :-D

[andrewfblack]

@all in this forum - is there an other developer which is interrest to help me!?

I can't pack a source package - never done it bevore - read much about it, but i think i'm too silly :-D

if you ask on #Maemo there are people their that will help you package you app, Qwerty12 is one of them.

[ssjtoma]

Awesome. I just installed 0.4.2 and it works great. I'm not sure what the other package was for (wget 1.10) ?

[ssjtoma]

For those who prefer installing stuff with the application manager, I just found this:
http://qole.org/

MyMenu is in their repository =)

[arkanoid]

I have qole repository enabled but i do not see MyMenu yet :-(

[qole]

Make sure you have the Fremantle repository enabled, not the Diablo one:

Catalogue Name: Qole
Web address: http://qole.org/repository
Distribution: maemo
Components: fremantle

[ssjtoma]

I tried searching for tsocks (which is in qole's repository too) with the application manager and it didn't show up either. Using apt-get install tsocks worked though so I assume it would work for mymenu as well..

[v2px]

thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!

[manzn]

@qole big thx to you for adding my app to your repo

[fpp]

@all in this forum - is there an other developer which is interrest to help me!?

I can't pack a source package - never done it bevore - read much about it, but i think i'm too silly :-D

You're not alone :-)

There is a Maemo.org "distmaster" just to help people like you (look him up on te web site). Also, there is a Python app to help create .deb packages (PyPackager I think).

[arkanoid]

Make sure you have the Fremantle repository enabled, not the Diablo one:

Catalogue Name: Qole
Web address: http://qole.org/repository
Distribution: maemo
Components: fremantle

Yep. apt-get install mymenu worked, though. I see debian-chroot etc but not mymenu in the application catalog. Quite strange.

[arkanoid]

Got a strange problem: after installing any new program or running manual menu updater, a reboot is required as some part of desktop seem to crash and do not restart: i cannot switch windows and button in upper left corner disappears.

[soleil]

I want to personalize my categorys . Move my apllication in the category I want . Is this possible?

[TheBootroo]

YOU man are rocking hard !!!!

THAT was the main thing missing on my N900 IMHO !

THANKS !

[romanianusa]

Why are some apps not in the right category?? DrNokSnes for example...is not in "GAME." Where is the default calculator?? Liqflow IS NOT A GAME!! Pidgin Internet is an Instant Messenger and should be in a NEW category called "Conversations." In fact, I think "PHONE," "CONVERSATION" and "PIDGIN INTERNET" should in a SINGLE category called "CONVERSATION." Blobby Volley 2 is a game...so is LBreakout2 and MTouchGames. These should belong in Games category.

The program is nice, but it'll be EVEN nicer to be able to customize your own icons and move where ever you want in which ever category you want.

[zehjotkah]

Why are some apps not in the right category?? DrNokSnes for example...is not in "GAME." Where is the default calculator?? Liqflow IS NOT A GAME!! Pigin Internet is an Instant Messenger a NEW category called "Conversations." Blobby Volley 2 is a game...so is LBreakout2 and MTouchGames. These should belong in Games category.

because the categories are hardcoded to the program. he needs to do this for all programs. just send him a nice mail, with your wishes, and then after some hours press the update button...

[romanianusa]

because the categories are hardcoded to the program. he needs to do this for all programs. just send him a nice mail, with your wishes, and then after some hours press the update button...

I did..i sent it last night. Nothing changed!

[jsuggs]

Just as a FYI:
when I do "apt-get intstall mymenu", it gives me the following:

WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
mymenu
Install these packages without verification [y/N]

I just wanted to make sure that this is correct before proceeding. I don't think I've had that issue when installing any other package from qole's repositories before...

[romanianusa]

Just as a FYI:
when I do "apt-get intstall mymenu", it gives me the following:

WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
mymenu
Install these packages without verification [y/N]

I just wanted to make sure that this is correct before proceeding. I don't think I've had that issue when installing any other package from qole's repositories before...

I don't "use apt-get install," i use dpkg -i and i don't have that message.

[qole]

@all in this forum - is there an other developer which is interrest to help me!?

I can't pack a source package - never done it bevore - read much about it, but i think i'm too silly :-D

We have a paid maemo.org team member, our "Debmaster (http://wiki.maemo.org/Debmaster)," who is supposed to help developers with packaging issues.

Please e-mail him, jeremiah at maemo.org and see if he can help you.

If he doesn't help, please report back to me.

[quangmach]

i have to say ... IT'S GREAT even i can't find it in qole's repository but its fine to use apt-get to install...

But i found that the category "learn&science" is not in Upper Case
and some apps and games are not in right category . for e.g Gweled,FloboPuyo,DRNokSnes and QStarDict,Canola in "Other" instead of "Games" or "Office" and "Multimedia"
Aniway thanks for this nice app

[manzn]

@romanianusa sorry had a hard night and a harder day - much work to do - but now im right back and will do my best - that all of you are happy :-D

@qole thx for the info with the Debmaster - will write him a mail after i have updated all apps

[manzn]

@all following apps are categorized in the new update:

Games:
gweled
flobopuyo
drnoksnes

Office:
qstardict

Multimedia:
canola2
vlc

learn&science
lybniz

[zehjotkah]

it is possible to rename/traduce "learn&science" to "Learn&Science" and "Lernen&Wissenschaft" oder irgendwas anderes deutsches? that would be nice.

[manzn]

@zehjotkah

hmm... in the next version :-D

maybe you know a better name for german - "Lernen&Wissenschaft" is too long :-(

[zehjotkah]

oha, thats difficult... maybe: "Lernen&Wissen" ?

[aspidites]

edit:
The thread I linked to seems to be for an OS2008 version of PyPackager.

You're not alone :-)

There is a Maemo.org "distmaster" just to help people like you (look him up on te web site). Also, there is a Python app to help create .deb packages (PyPackager I think).

PyPackager discussion thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9617)

I haven't tried PyPackager, so I'm not sure how stable it is yet. In case it isn't, there is also a command line tool called py2deb. Documentation on how to use it is in the wiki (http://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb)

At any rate, thanks for the heads up, I'll check out PyPackager.

[qole]

You want py2deb if you want to get your package into the Extras repositories. I'm using it for my packages. But that app only works for non-compiled apps, like shell scripts or python apps. If you need to compile your app, you have to do it the "hard way"...

[aspidites]

I just installed MyMenu....wow!

The only complaint I have as of yet is of the "learn&science" folder. Perhaps "Education" or "Educational" would be a better name.

Seriously though, I'm impressed. Seems the most used apps are simply launchers where as everything else is distributed in appropriate categories. Very nice, indeed.

[manzn]

@all - new update for categorized apps

science:
easychem

gps:
emerillon

system:
emelfm2
gconf-editor

network:
fahrplan
evopedia
mgutenberg
nsschedule
FeedingIt
Qik -> moved from multimedia

other:
belltower
flipclock
kandis
nolazy
timerjinni
eggtimer
fuelpad

multimedia:
cinaest

office:
gtranslate
cbrpager

at the moment there are 214 apps in MyMenu :-D
how i start there only was 140 Apps

nice greets & good night

[jeremiah]

Hi manzn!

Thanks for your email about your package. I will download it, and see if I can help out.

I will build it in the SDK, and perhaps on the device and see what I come up with. I will mail you privately regarding the deb - unless you prefer I contact you here?

[jeremiah]

@Bundyo

damn it - yes it juse bash - but why is bash not an every device?

Because bash has some limitations for embedded linux devices.

[lemmyslender]

password safe - other? instead of system
dial centrl - network? instead of other

thanks for the hard work, loving the new menu system

[HtheB]

The only complaint I have as of yet is of the "learn&science" folder. Perhaps "Education" or "Educational" would be a better name.


Second... :D

[zaheerm]

thanks i much prefer this menu to the stock one.

A few mods needed for categories: maep should be in gps, Location Test in gps, irssi in network, Transmission in network, Tuner in multimedia

[HtheB]

Is it possible to make a "non Development" version? You can change this into "Tools".

Not everybody is a developer, which will lead the Development folder into "an empty folder which will stay empty for ever"...

Tools is very handy for apps like File browsers etc.

Is it also possible to place the following apps in the right place?

VGB - Games
DrNokSnes - Games
MaemoFTP - Network
Mussorgsky - Tools
emelFM2 - Tools
Mirror - Tools
NS Schedule - Tools

How about to add a new language (Dutch version)?
The things that needs translations are:

Network = Netwerk
Other = Overige
System = Systeem
lean&science = Educatie
Office = Kantoor
Tools = Gereedschappen
Graphics = Grafisch

I hope this is possible! :)

[manzn]

@jeremiah thx for your help - pls can you mail me, today is my last day of holiday and mail is alltime on my n900 :-D

@HtheB nice idea

what do you mean like: "mymenu to use" and "mymenu for developer"
:-D

thx for translation to dutch - pls can you also translate "Development" for me

manzn

[Jaffa]

at the moment there are 214 apps in MyMenu :-D
how i start there only was 140 Apps

Cool. Any joy with the auto-categorisation based on package? If not, if you think it's valuable, I can try sending you a patch?

[manzn]

@Jaffa

at the moment it is hardcoded in mymenu - but for the future - yes send me the patch, maybe i can use it

[Flandry]

@Jaffa

at the moment it is hardcoded in mymenu - but for the future - yes send me the patch, maybe i can use it

You're going to want to use that so you don't have to move all these by hand. All the apps are already categorized by their control file, so using that information would make the most sense. If it's fully automated, you don't have to deal with separate cases of developer and non because only if development tools are installed would the Development menu have something in it.

[v13]

I have two usability suggestions for MyMenu if possible:

Don't create empty categories
Don't create categories when there is only one application in it. Instead, just list the application in the main menu.


As for the update.sh:

The 'wget' should not be downloaded from the script. Instead put it in the Depends field in debian/control
If you're using the ping command to wait for some time, you can replace it with "sleep"
Multiple invocations of update.sh will start multiple instances of info (unless you check that in the code).


Regarding "info": If you want to have info running all the time then you may consider adding it to an init script to automatically start when system boots. However, you may be able to avoid spawning another process and instead take advantage of "dpkg file triggers". By installing a file trigger you can have the postinst script ran automatically whenever there is a file added (or removed) in /usr/share/applications:

Make the postinst script handle "triggered" as its first parameter. When it is called like that it should update the menu.
Under debian/ create a file named "triggers" and put the line "interest /usr/share/applications" (or whatever directory you'd like to monitor) in it, to cause the trigger to fire when a file is installed under that directory. You can have multiple such lines.


p.s. I haven't used MyMenu yet :)
p.s.2. Triggers work for debian. I suppose they work for maemo too. Currently I don't see any file trigger in my n900, but dpkg-trigger exists.

[twoboxen]

Don't create empty categories

Agree.


Don't create categories when there is only one application in it. Instead, just list the application in the main menu.

Disagree.

For consistency I wouldn't want something at the top level that logically sits at the same depth as any other random app. Maybe it's just me?

[v13]

Disagree.

For consistency I wouldn't want something at the top level that logically sits at the same depth as any other random app. Maybe it's just me?

The idea was not to make that app a click/tip away when it will not save space or affect the organization of the menu.

[Soap77]

I´d like to test this app, it would be nice if the creator of the thread/app could update the first post with the latest version of the packages.
I tried to follow the first instructions, but the files couldn´t be found.

TIA!!

[manzn]

@Flandry & v13 this are good inputs - but it's my first package and script

give me time to implement your suggestions - i have much to learn for this

at the moment mymenu is so how it is - this package is only 2 weeks old :-D

[Jaffa]

at the moment it is hardcoded in mymenu - but for the future - yes send me the patch, maybe i can use it

OK, what's the latest URL for the package/source trawling through the thread for URLs is a bit boring ;-)

[manzn]

@Soap77

for install follow this steps:

1) you need rootsh -> pls install

2) dowload follow deb's:
http://maemo.3ion.at/mymenu-0.4.2.20100104_armel.deb
3) start xterm
4) sudo gainroot
5) change to the directory where you download it (with cd /home/user/.....)
6) install with this command:
dpkg -i mymenu-0.4.2.20100104_armel.deb

(under "System" you find the update funktion)

for uninstall insert this command:
dpkg -r mymenu

[Soap77]

friggin' GREAT! :D

thnx alot.
good job.

[TA-t3]

I have two usability suggestions for MyMenu if possible:

Don't create empty categories
Don't create categories when there is only one application in it. Instead, just list the application in the main menu.


Agree, on both. It gets tiring to always do two presses for applications alone in their category.

[davall]

ps: for missing apps or wrong assigned, report please to maemo@3ion.at

Maep should belong to gps folder.
Great app. Thanks!

[Flandry]

@Flandry & v13 this are good inputs - but it's my first package and script

give me time to implement your suggestions - i have much to learn for this

at the moment mymenu is so how it is - this package is only 2 weeks old :-D

That's understandable. All i'm saying is don't waste anymore time doing things by hand that can and should be automated, like sorting additional apps by hand, because it'll all be pointless once it's automated. It's wasted effort for you. :)

If you continue to accept help from others you'll find that that kind of stuff gets added very quickly, as this "app" is a great option to have for people.

[HtheB]

@HtheB nice idea

what do you mean like: "mymenu to use" and "mymenu for developer"
:-D


For "default" users, you can change the Development into Tools
(because there would be no app in it ever)

And for users that are actually develop things on it, you can leave the Development as it is now.


thx for translation to dutch - pls can you also translate "Development" for me

manzn

Well,

Translating Development directly into Dutch, sounds very strange... It's not suited.
But you can call it: Programmeren (as maybe you can guess what that means... exactly: Programming (aka: Coding)!

Hope to see the update soon :D

(I keep pressing the update button, hehehe)

[manzn]

@all

i have write a script which sort the apps on the basis of the category from the pakage (deb)

my agreement: there are too much categories - and wrong assigned

here is the list:

Category: Accessories
eggtimer

Category: applications
osso-xterm osso-xterm

Category: comm
rtcom-messaging-ui
rtcom-call-ui
osso-addressbook
vncviewer vncviewer

Category: development
pygtkeditor

Category: games
osso-mahjong osso-mahjong
mg mg
vor
nspeed
toppler
osso-chess-ui osso-chess-ui
gweled
flobopuyo
corsixth
colem colem
drnoksnes
impuzzle
ines ines
gboggle
whoami
maemoblocks maemoblocks

Category: graphics
vlc-player

Category: internet
fennec fennec

Category: libs
as-daemon-0
nokiamaps-navigation-provider nokia-maps-core
maemosec-certman-applet
osso-filemanager-ui osso-filemanager-ui

Category: mail
claws-mail claws-mail
modest

Category: misc
osso-backup
osso-lmarbles osso-lmarbles
osso-sketch osso-sketch
hildon-desktop-application-shortcuts-mr0
rdesktop
osso-notes osso-notes
camera-ui camera-ui
nokiamessaging
osso-pdf-viewer osso-pdf-viewer
mediaplayer mediaplayer
hildon-application-manager
clock-ui
osso-calculator-ui osso-calculator-ui

Category: multimedia
panucci
mod-support
cinaest
fmrdsnotify
fmradio
ogg-support
canola2
bluemaemo
recorder
decoders-support

Category: navigation
emerillon
nokiamaps-navigation-provider nokia-maps-core
maep
belltower

Category: network
claws-mail claws-mail
gftp-gtk
feedingit
pidgin
gtranslate
vncviewer vncviewer
penguinreader

Category: office
dtg dtg
zsync
pygtkeditor
osso-abook-import-many
dtg dtg dtg dtg
dtg dtg
xournal
nolazy
qstardict
calendar

Category: other
amazon-installer
fmrdsnotify
digiaatscene
ap-installer
dtg-installer
foreca-installer
nokiamaps-navigation-provider nokia-maps-core
facebook-installer
emelfm2

Category: support
tutorial-home-applet
mod-support
ogg-support
decoders-support

Category: system
petrovich
osso-xterm osso-xterm
nokiamaps-navigation-provider nokia-maps-core
bluemaemo
appinstaller

Category: tools
mc
easychem
gconf-editor
packageview
lybniz
kandis
dicejinni

Category: utilities
timerjinni
htop
flipclock flipclock
nsschedule
packageview
fuelpad fuelpad
mgutenberg
kandis
dicejinni
flipclock
fahrplan
x11vnc

Category: web
osso-rss-feed-reader-applet osso-rss-feed-reader osso-rss-feed-reader
tablet-browser-ui

Category: x11
imageviewer
qstardict
hildon-control-panel
x11vnc

[manzn]

@all
i have uploaded the script for everyone:

http://maemo.3ion.at/apps-listet-by-category.txt

you can download it - change the ending from *.txt to sh, change the permission to 755

the output you will find unter: /home/user/MyDocs/apps.txt

[Jaffa]

i have write a script which sort the apps on the basis of the category from the pakage (deb)

Mmm, how I love duplicated effort :-/

Anyway, as requested, my attempt is here: jaffa-menu.pl (formatted) (http://bleb.org/software/maemo/jaffa-menu.pl:source). The output, on my N900 is here:

http://bleb.org/software/maemo/jaffa-menu.output.txt

my agreement: there are too much categories - and wrong assigned

Yes, the built-in apps have largely rubbish sections. My script handles these with specific overrides, and anything you have installed which isn't in one of the pre-defined sections ends up in "other".

This means there are a maximum of 13 folders. HAM will have translations for them all, and there are also community translations (http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#Translations) from when the list was first decided.

With PR1.1 (http://blogs.igalia.com/vjaquez/2009/12/14/shinning-new-ham/), the Application Manager's category view is getting even better and so having the App Manager and the application menu consistent will be a big boon:

http://blogs.igalia.com/vjaquez/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Screenshot-20091214-120423-300x180.png

You can get the same effect as HAM, and allow the user to see icons that haven't yet been sorted, by having the "Other..." menu use the same <OnlyUnallocated/> trick that /etc/xdg/menus/hildon/applications.menu uses.

Finally, I had a thought on automatically rerunning the sorter when applications are installed: replace the now-defunct gtk-update-icon-cache with a wrapper which also invokes the resorting, since most packages still have this in their postinst.

[Jaffa]

PS. if you want to run mine, it has no external dependencies (there's a Perl interpreter out-of-the-box):


Download the script (http://bleb.org/software/maemo/jaffa-menu.pl)
Run, in X Terminal, perl MyDocs/jaffa-menu.pl

[mivoligo]

PS. if you want to run mine, it has no external dependencies (there's a Perl interpreter out-of-the-box):


Download the script (http://bleb.org/software/maemo/jaffa-menu.pl)
Run, in X Terminal, perl MyDocs/jaffa-menu.pl


Thanks, but what should I do with the output?

[v13]

Finally, I had a thought on automatically rerunning the sorter when applications are installed: replace the now-defunct gtk-update-icon-cache with a wrapper which also invokes the resorting, since most packages still have this in their postinst.

There is no need to do something like that. Have a look at the trigger method I described in post #122 (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=455592&postcount=122).

[Jaffa]

At the moment, it's debug output. But there's a hashmap of section to desktop files. These should then be used to create the correct items in /etc/xdg/menus

I didn't implement that bit as a) it's already done above and b) it's only a 45 minute train journey home :-)

However, I'm happy to take it further if requested, since I'd been thinking of doing this since first playing with /etc/xdg/menus.

[rmarcus]

Make sure you have the Fremantle repository enabled, not the Diablo one:

Catalogue Name: Qole
Web address: http://qole.org/repository
Distribution: maemo
Components: fremantle

what is it named in catalog? I can't find by the name MyMenu...:confused:

[qole]

It doesn't seem to show up in Application Manager, (ironically) it probably doesn't have the right category. You will have to gain root and install it with:


apt-get install mymenu

[rmarcus]

It doesn't seem to show up in Application Manager, (ironically) it probably doesn't have the right category. You will have to gain root and install it with:


apt-get install mymenu


Thanx, but where can I find it?

:confused:

[Laughing Man]

Hmm may I suggest somethings?

1) GPS icon could be rounded (it's squareish right now)
2) GPodder could be in media
3) DrNokSNES, Vulture's Eye, and VGB are in Other instead of Games
4) MaemoFTP is in other instead of network
5) emelFM2 should be in System

Thanks to everyone that's made this possible. :D

[HtheB]

GPS icon could be rounded (it's squareish right now)


How about this one:


(all sizes) Source:
http://www.iconarchive.com/show/network-icons-by-devcom/satellite-Vista-icon.html

[RDJEHV]

Hi all,

I want to install this because my list of apps is getting to long. It's not pressing problem so I can wait. Do you suggest installing it now or is it better to wait for the program to become mature? (concensus on which programs in which category, ease of installing, for selecting/making own categories, etc)
regards, Ruud

[rmarcus]

Could anyone point out where I can download it?
Thanx!

[Laughing Man]

Could anyone point out where I can download it?
Thanx!

First go into application manager, click the menu > manage.

Add a repository

Make sure you have the Fremantle repository enabled, not the Diablo one:

Catalogue Name: Qole
Web address: http://qole.org/repository
Distribution: maemo
Components: fremantle

Then make sure you have some way of getting root access (easiest way is to install rootsh from extras)

Open up the terminal application

Type in

"sudo gainroot" without the quotation marks

Then type in

It doesn't seem to show up in Application Manager, (ironically) it probably doesn't have the right category. You will have to gain root and install it with:


apt-get install mymenu


When it asks you y/n say y. Let it install and it should be installed.

[andrewfblack]

I was running over this tread today after installing it. Its really nice but I would like to see better icons is that something you are going to be doing or do you need some artistic help?

[Dosenblech]

@Laughing Man
thank you! :)

[manzn]

@all

NEWS from MyMenu:

1.) the next Update for Apps will be tomorrow evening
2.) a new Package is on the way :-)

Changelog:
* Folder will just list if there is an application for it
* Translation for more languages
* no multiple invocations of update-menu
* new icon-set

I hope i can realease it on weekend :-)

[yorg]

great job manzn, thanks!

[Jnolcox]

whats the procedure for uninstalling via xterm? just for reference

[aspidites]

whats the procedure for uninstalling via xterm? just for reference

apt-get remove --purge mymenu

the "--purge" option will remove personal settings files. ie, stuff that normally gets placed in /home/user/.config/app_name or /home/user/.app_name

[Jnolcox]

apt-get remove --purge mymenu

the "--purge" option will remove personal settings files. ie, stuff that normally gets placed in /home/user/.config/app_name or /home/user/.app_name

thanks for the speedy reply, i got used to the "normal" layout and will probably stick with it until mymenu gets cleaned up a little.

I know there was a similar app made for the jailbroken iphones that allowed us to create our own folders and such, i forget the name but i will look into porting it somehow :confused:

[ssjtoma]

thanks for the speedy reply, i got used to the "normal" layout and will probably stick with it until mymenu gets cleaned up a little.

I know there was a similar app made for the jailbroken iphones that allowed us to create our own folders and such, i forget the name but i will look into porting it somehow :confused:

I'm not sure if that's feasible at all.

[aspidites]

More so, I doubt it will be necessary. It seems this script creates a few desktop files and folders, so creating user-defined ones once all the groundwork gets finalized shouldn't be too much of a problem**

** Aside from the fact that I have over-simplified how this program works, I have not contributed any code and haven't got any specific instruction on any intent to release certain features. I am simply being very optimistic here.

[DaSilva]

@all

NEWS from MyMenu:

1.) the next Update for Apps will be tomorrow evening
2.) a new Package is on the way :-)

Changelog:
* Folder will just list if there is an application for it
* Translation for more languages
* no multiple invocations of update-menu
* new icon-set

I hope i can realease it on weekend :-)

Thanks!
Will it support the auto categorize feature?
Does this mean that you will release it to the official repository (extras-devel first)? Because there shouldn't be any other repositories: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Reducing_number_of_external_repositories
qoles repository is already in that list.

[tom_at_lp]

you did a great job ...

best regards Tom

[HtheB]

@all

NEWS from MyMenu:

1.) the next Update for Apps will be tomorrow evening
2.) a new Package is on the way :-)

Changelog:
* Folder will just list if there is an application for it
* Translation for more languages
* no multiple invocations of update-menu
* new icon-set

I hope i can realease it on weekend :-)


Nice one! :)

Can't wait to see it

[manzn]

So here is the new update for following apps:




Multimedia:
GPodder
Tuner
Mussorgsky

Games:
Vulture's Eye
VGB

Network:
MaemoFTP
irssi
Transmission


System:
password safe
emelFM2

GPS:
maep

[manzn]

@all some of you want a new category like "Tools"

Which apps do you want in this category?

Please mail to: maemo@3ion.at

thx manzn

[geneven]

Manzn:

Sometimes Thanks isn't enough.

I keep an internal Heros list. There's no reason to list the recipients; I know who they are.

You are on my personal list.

Expect a man with a million-dollar check to knock on your door any day now. (joke)

Thanks!

[zehjotkah]

please can you also add Stratagus (Warcraft 2) (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=459236) to the games category?
Thanks!

[manzn]

@zehjotkah

is now in the category games and new uploaded
:-)

[Bratag]

@zehjotkah

is now in the category games and new uploaded
:-)

Perhaps I am doing something wrong - but I cannot for the life of me find this app in the repos. are we sure its been pushed up?

Never mind - found it in qoles repo.

[andrewfblack]

I hate to ask you to hardcode all these in but it looks like its the only way to do it right now. This is a really nice application keep up the good work.

Office
GPE To-do
zToDo

Games
robotfindskitten
zeesteroids
Sopwith
fMSX
Mortar
GiveMeFive
The Mana World

Multimedia
Vagalume
FM Boost
GNOME ALSA Mixer

System
Package Rate
Synaptic
Debian Image Installer
Fix LXDE Keyboard
Debian LXDE
Debian chroot
Close Debian

Network
Iceweasel Web Browser
DialCentral

[andrewfblack]

Perhaps I am doing something wrong - but I cannot for the life of me find this app in the repos. are we sure its been pushed up?

Game isn't in repo, it is just added to mymenu if you have it installed now.

[Bratag]

Game isn't in repo, it is just added to mymenu if you have it installed now.

I was actually referring to the MyMenu app itself.

[HtheB]

Mussorgsky - Tools
emelFM2 - Tools
Mirror - Tools
NS Schedule - Tools
GPE File manager - Tools

[andrewfblack]

I was actually referring to the MyMenu app itself.

App isn't in extras repo either.

[Bratag]

App isn't in extras repo either.

Yep - figured that out - found it in Qoles repo and have to say its a great little app. Especially like the fact you can update the distribution of apps config automatically.

[manzn]

@andrewfblack

nice list of apps - i will put them so god will tody - at the moment i work on the next update

and yes i know my app isn't in the extras repo either - i hope to get help from jeremiah :-D

[andrewfblack]

@andrewfblack

nice list of apps - i will put them so god will tody - at the moment i work on the next update

and yes i know my app isn't in the extras repo either - i hope to get help from jeremiah :-D

You ask on IRC yet there are a few people who can help you package it up

[manzn]

@andrewfblack - thx for the info with the IRC

one question: where i can find this apps? (which repo)

robotfindskitten
The Mana World

GNOME ALSA Mixer

Synaptic
Debian Image Installer
Fix LXDE Keyboard
Debian LXDE
Debian chroot
Close Debian

Iceweasel Web Browser

[Bratag]

@andrewfblack - thx for the info with the IRC

one question: where i can find this apps? (which repo)

robotfindskitten
The Mana World

GNOME ALSA Mixer

Synaptic
Debian Image Installer
Fix LXDE Keyboard
Debian LXDE
Debian chroot
Close Debian

Iceweasel Web Browser


The ones from GNOME Alsa down are part of the chroot-debian package (IE easy debian).

[andrewfblack]

The Mana World isn't in a repo, and robotfindskitten I don't remember maybe its in devel.

[Rob1n]

The Mana World isn't in a repo, and robotfindskitten I don't remember maybe its in devel.

That's in extras - it's just "rfk" in the app list.

[Bundyo]

Phun
----
offscr-banderol.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-banderol
offscr-banner.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-banner
offscr-pendulum.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-pendulum
offscr-blackboard-lite.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-blackboard-lite

Games
-----
offscr-airport.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-airport
offscr-fifteen.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-fifteen
offscr-freecell.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-freecell
offscr-backgammon.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-backgammon
offscr-sand.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-sand
offscr-cube.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-cube
offscr-solitaire.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-solitaire
offscr-discs.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-discs
offscr-electric-beams.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-electric-beams
offscr-xploder.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-xploder

Tools
-----
offscr-anglemeter.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-anglemeter
offscr-level.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-level
offscr-resistors.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-resistors
offscr-converter.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-converter
offscr-seismometer.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-seismometer
offscr-speedometer.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-speedometer
offscr-eggtimer.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-eggtimer
offscr-watch.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-watch

Science
-------
offscr-elements.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-elements

Brainfarts
----------
offscr-mirrorball.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-mirrorball
offscr-candle.desktop /usr/bin/offscr-candle


Icon names follow similar fashion.

[manzn]

@andrewfblack

all your apps now in the right category - exclude the The Mana World
- can you send me the .desktop name of the app pls

[andrewfblack]

@andrewfblack

all your apps now in the right category - exclude the The Mana World
- can you send me the .desktop name of the app pls

tmw-rpg.desktop

[Laughing Man]

Hmm, is gpodder showing up in two places for everyone. It's showing up in multimedia and network.

In other (more recommendations)

dialcentral could be in network
jamaendo should be in multimedia

[Meelis]

Great app. Already manage to start tweaking the hildon menus myself.

A real thumbs up man !

Now a question: If there will be updates (newer releases), how can we follow them? My logics would tell that the update menu function does not do it :)

Would like to keep this to the latest version, if someone does manage to find some bugs in it.

[Laughing Man]

Great app. Already manage to start tweaking the hildon menus myself.

A real thumbs up man !

Now a question: If there will be updates (newer releases), how can we follow them? My logics would tell that the update menu function does not do it :)

Would like to keep this to the latest version, if someone does manage to find some bugs in it.

The update function does update it. :D

[mirakels]

I guess the following updates might be handy:

transitioncontrol.desktop to System
mediabox-mc.desktop to Multimedia
mmpc.desktop to Multimedia

horizon (horizon.desktop) is shown in the Other menu, but this app seems to be the same as attitude (which is in the graphics menu)

Also the hildon.menu file contains many 'DOS' line endings (e.g. ^M at the end).

[mirakels]

I forgot to mention I very much like this tool! Thanks for that.

A few remarks about the update.sh:
When I run it form the command line you wil notice the "/etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop" and "/etc/init.d/hildon-desktop start" will give error messages and probably do nothing now. I does not seem a problem though as the menus on screen are updates when the new hildon.menu is installed.

What is the function of the "ping localhost " calls in update.sh
If you just want to wait some time you can use the 'sleep' command...
But why the wait for 10 seconds when all the work is actually already done?

[mirakels]

Hi again,

One other remark. The 'info' tool (to show the message on screen) should be renamed to something more specific to avoid confusion and possible process name clashes. I guess men-update-info is a proper name.

I editted/beautified the update.sh a bit to remove the ping commands (and changed the name of the info tool). A few test showed no problems...

see attachment

[manzn]

@mirakels thx for the info but i work on a new version of the package include a new update.sh

[manzn]

DONT INSTALL THIS VERSION IS TOO BUGGY!!



@all its late but its ready :-D

Version 0.4.3 is out

here a screenshot of the new icon-set

http://maemo.3ion.at/screenshot03.png

Downloadable under:
http://maemo.3ion.at/mymenu-0.4.xxxxxxxxx.deb

Changelog

- 0.4.3.20100109
* Folder will just list if there is an application for it
* Translation for following languages: en_GB, en_US, es_MX, nl_NL, pt_BR, no_NO, fi_FI, it_IT, fr_CA, da_DK, pt_PT, sv_SE, fr_FR, es_ES,ru_RU, de_DE
* change of the *.directory files to /usr/share/applications/hildon/directory
* no multiple invocations of update-menu
* new icon-set
* change Section: x11 to Section: user/desktop

[qole]

It shows up in the App Manager now if you have my repo. Desktop category..

[tom_at_lp]

thanks - thanks - thanks - you make my N900 a little bit "easyer" :-)
The new Icons looks nice !
(a short question - Is the XBOX-Controller irreversible ? Could it be a PS3-Controller ?) :D

[Laughing Man]

Eesh, updating it (from Qole's repo) has caused some odd behavior. Desktop keeps flashing on and off and applications are gone. Time to remove.

Hmm well this is troubling.. how am I going remove it. Keeps booting to desktop, then flashes and then reboots.

Edit: I recommend caution before anyone installs this. Don't know if the issue is unique to my N900 but I'm pretty much in a reboot loop now.

[NvyUs]

looks beautiful love the work manzn, thanks to qole too for hosting it.

[skalogre]

Eesh, updating it (from Qole's repo) has caused some odd behavior. Desktop keeps flashing on and off and applications are gone. Time to remove.

Hmm well this is troubling.. how am I going remove it. Keeps booting to desktop, then flashes and then reboots.

Edit: I recommend caution before anyone installs this. Don't know if the issue is unique to my N900 but I'm pretty much in a reboot loop now.

Uh oh. I seem to have the same issue. Hmmm....

[NvyUs]

its working fine for me as far as i can tell,
I have never had an older version installed its first time i've tried it, not sure if that makes a difference, maybe its the updating proccess that goes wrong is what i'm thinking.
you have got me scared about uninstalling it now though :eek:

[Laughing Man]

Maybe it is the updating process. I am in the process of downloading the firmware now to reflash the device. I can't seem to uninstall mymenu (I can't get to the prompt quick enough with the constant desktop refreshing).

[skalogre]

Well, got in to the machine with PuTTy and did a "sudo apt-get remove MyMenu" but I am still in a pickle. Not good. Anyone have any ideas?

Edit:
"dpkg: status database area is locked by another process" when trying instead "dpkg -r mymenu "

Have not rebooted yet, don't feel it would be a good idea at this point. Hmm...

[Laughing Man]

Don't reboot. That leads to my problem (the constant rebooting).

[skalogre]

Don't reboot. That leads to my problem (the constant rebooting).

Unfortunately, it decided to do that for me. I checked (over ssh) with top the processes that were running - I thought I'd kill the manager but it just started rebooting. Crap!

[Laughing Man]

And my system is now reflashed. Good thing I did a backup earlier today. Just have to re-do some custom tweaks (like change boot video again) and re-install some testing apps I installed after my backup.

[NvyUs]

just noticed cpu-memory and brightness applets have vanished from my n900,
started to look like i did not get away with having 0 problems after all

[skalogre]

And my system is now reflashed. Good thing I did a backup earlier today. Just have to re-do some custom tweaks (like change boot video again) and re-install some testing apps I installed after my backup.

Just firmware or eMMC and firmware?

[Laughing Man]

Do just firmware. No need to flash the eMMC.

[skalogre]

Do just firmware. No need to flash the eMMC.

Hey, thanks. I'll try a few more things (if I can reenable my connection and SSH in it, that is). If not, well, reflashing!

[lemmyslender]

Went OK here. No problems that I've noticed.

[Laughing Man]

lemmyslender two questions (just to see if we can identify the problem)

1) Did you install it from here or Qole's repo?
2) Did you update it or install it fresh?

I installed it from Qole's repo and updated it.

[skalogre]

This thing needs to have the option of automated scheduled backups like my N97 had. At least most of my data is still here.

[skalogre]

lemmyslender two questions (just to see if we can identify the problem)

1) Did you install it from here or Qole's repo?
2) Did you update it or install it fresh?

I installed it from Qole's repo and updated it.

I had done the same as you. So only the two of us so far?

[springah]

installed from qoles repo, brand new install - seems ok so far?

not sure if i like it tho.. i'll keep testing!

[qole]

Another report of no problems from a brand-new install.

I suggest completely uninstalling any previous versions of MyMenu before installing the current version, just to be safe...

[tom_at_lp]

i can also report no Problem.
i installed it directly from the deb-File and have no problems at the moment....

[Laughing Man]

I guess I'll have to try installing it again later..

Anyway, what's an easy way to restore the original if this goes ary again?

And I have this missing libpoppler2 problem that's preventing me from installing the decoders and xournal apps now..

So if anyone could help me with that, it would be appreciated.

Edit: Nevermind got it with a apt-get install

[romanianusa]

There is a problem with updating the damm thing...it froze man...what the hell!! The previous version is more stable ...plus i think the icons set is better looking in the previous version.

You're making this worst...SORRY!

It froze up when i try to update..and i have to restart

[Bratag]

I like the new version icons - installed from the deb not qoles repo. Didnt uninstall first, wasnt aware there was an issue when I installed.

[atunguyd]

Put me down for infinite reboot loop too - installed from repo and now it looks like I might need to reflash my firmware too

[edit] managed to hand up the boot process by clicking everywhere on the screen while the desktop was flashing - this allowed me to ssh into the device and issue apt-get remove mymenu

it gave a while bunch of errors but the reboot is stopped. Now i boot into the desktop but clicking everywhere no longer works. ONly thing I can click on is the status bar everything else is ignored.

Is there a way yo launch the backup utility from the ssh command prompt before I reflash?

[tuminoid]

Brand new install from Qole's repo, hildon-desktop is segfaulting its *** off and after 10 or something crashes, device reboots and cycle goes on and on.

Do not install 0.4.3 unless you have fresh backup and are prepared to reflash!

[manzn]

@all pls don't install it again - i removed it from my server - that's too buggy I am sorry for this!

I hope, I can remove the bug!

[v2px]

is there any way to fix it without reflashing the whole rootfs? maybe a small image that just prevents mymenu from starting?

[dread123]

working fine for me.. updated over repo.loving new icons

[Matan]

This is why everyone needs a to install bootmenu and have an alternative rootfs on internal mmc or a microSD card. Then when such thing happens you can boot to the second partition, mount the ubifs root, and restore it to a good state.

If someone has such a setup and can upload a copy of hildon.menu and all .dekstop/.directory files that cause such a reboot loop, maybe we can analyze it and find out what the problem is.

[romanianusa]

Actually there is nothing wrong except when you use the "update-menu" under settings...that's when it froze up. Until you fix this, i won't be pressing that button at all.

[zehjotkah]

@manzn
maybe you can use the new icons from the updated program manager.
they look nice (maybe same categories, too?)

[rmarcus]

Everything looks fine here so far, no reboots, I updated automatically this morning before I even knew you guys were having this problem. Actually, I was reading this post and the update process was taking place, then I got worried but it was too late to cancel it, luckly, everything seems fine.

I have not rebooted it yet, neither I have pressed the update icon under settings.

:)

[gerrymoth]

I found an update in App Manager this morning for MyMenu and updated, now have the constant rebooting problem and will need to reflash the firmware when I get back home tonight. Oh the joys of development application testing :D

[mklass]

I just updated and my device works fine.

[Jaffa]

I hate to ask you to hardcode all these in but it looks like its the only way to do it right now.

Is anyone actually working on the "show the categories and apps within them based off the category information in the package"?

Hardcoding apps to categories is so godawfully ugly from an architectural point of view, and can hardly scale once Ovi goes online.

[TheBootroo]

true !

what about an analysis of HAM database to determinize categories of programs ?

and then , why not using the brand new categories icons from HAM in 2009-44.1 instead of non-related icons, cause some of actuals one seems to be not from the same icon set, and GPS one is just ugly :-( ?

[Jaffa]

what about an analysis of HAM database to determinize categories of programs ?

Exactly. The code's already written:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=456252#post456252

and then , why not using the brand new categories icons from HAM in 2009-44.1 instead of non-related icons, cause some of actuals one seems to be not from the same icon set, and GPS one is just ugly :-( ?

Not sure, but I think the HAM icons might be a bit too large; could be worth a play, though.

[TheBootroo]

and in facts , why didn't you parse the .desktop files to get the category ?

cause i made from my own a menu launcher for ubuntu in Qt4 and i used this method to get categories : in each .desktop file you may have a 'Categories=' line which contains a string of this kind 'Sound&Video;Multmedia;Audio" then you just save the first part of string split(string, ";",0) ...

[tom_at_lp]

@TheBootroo
Did you ever look in one of the .desktop-Files in /usr/share/applications/hildon ? There is no "Categories" ( - ok; i found "13" against 65 installed programms !! ).
AND the Categories are quit not usable (look some posts back...)
Example: Categories=Application;Game;PuzzleGame;
which Folder did you take for this ? Did you create 3 Folder and put it in all them ? ....
Regards Tom

PS: you are right: "may have" - but the files dont have...

[Rob1n]

The categories are in a list from least precise to most, and TheBootroo suggested only taking the highest-level grouping. The lack of categorisation in most .desktop files would seem to make this rather a moot point though.

[lemmyslender]

I installed from Qole's repository via Update in App Manager. I had previously only installed the previous version (maybe 1 before that, not sure).

I already had Qole's repository setup, so initial install was via apt-get.

Just installed the firmware update 1.0.1, still no problems. Works just fine. Not showing empty categories either.

[mirakels]

@manzn: the sudoers.d/update-desktop file contains a reference to /opt/menu-update/info.
I guess that should be /opt/menu-update/mymenu-update-info

[TheBootroo]

cool !

i did an update and now icons are beautiful (oxygen ones no ?) and overall, my apps are well categorized ! (excepted MADDE which must be in developpement, and free civ which must be in games ..))

[manzn]

@mirakels

thx and damn i forgot it to delet :-D

@all who had a update problem today - i am sorry for this - can you report me in a mail (maemo@3ion.at) what are you done (point for point)

how it seams on much devices the update go on without problems!?

thx for your help

[manzn]

cool !

i did an update and now icons are beautiful (oxygen ones no ?) and overall, my apps are well categorized ! (excepted MADDE which must be in developpement, and free civ which must be in games ..))

yes there are oxygen ones :-D

[qole]

Hello all,

I have removed mymenu from my repository at manzn's request.

Sorry. Hope you find the problem. :(

[Laughing Man]

@mirakels

thx and damn i forgot it to delet :-D

@all who had a update problem today - i am sorry for this - can you report me in a mail (maemo@3ion.at) what are you done (point for point)

how it seams on much devices the update go on without problems!?

thx for your help

I had the previous version installed from Qole's repo (that's how I originally installed it)

I updated it using the update menu sh script in System

When the update came in Qole's repo I updated it

Then the desktop started flashing, the app installed but the screen kept flashing and when I checked the applications menu only the top row was there.

Then I thought to reboot it to see if that would fix it, and it went into a reboot loop. It would try to go to the desktop, kept flashing randomly until it would reboot.

I then reflashed my firmware.


Edit: I'll email it once I'm home.

This is why everyone needs a to install bootmenu and have an alternative rootfs on internal mmc or a microSD card. Then when such thing happens you can boot to the second partition, mount the ubifs root, and restore it to a good state.

If someone has such a setup and can upload a copy of hildon.menu and all .dekstop/.directory files that cause such a reboot loop, maybe we can analyze it and find out what the problem is.

Hmm, I was unaware we had gotten to the point where we can clone and run the OS externally again. I should set that up then so if this type of thing ever happens again I won't have to reflash just to get phone functionality back. =P

[maluka]

I had the previous version installed from Qole's repo (that's how I originally installed it)

I updated it using the update menu sh script in System

When the update came in Qole's repo I updated it

Then the desktop started flashing, the app installed but the screen kept flashing and when I checked the applications menu only the top row was there.

Then I thought to reboot it to see if that would fix it, and it went into a reboot loop. It would try to go to the desktop, kept flashing randomly until it would reboot.

I then reflashed my firmware.


Edit: I'll email it once I'm home.



Hmm, I was unaware we had gotten to the point where we can clone and run the OS externally again. I should set that up then so if this type of thing ever happens again I won't have to reflash just to get phone functionality back. =P

This happened to me earlier today as well :)

[electristan]

hope you let qole put it back in his repo when its fixed manzn, makes it easier for some of us :)

good luck finding the fault, still great app in my book.

[maluka]

I have a suggestion. Once the problems have been ironed out, could you make a few versions with different icon sets? Here are a few sets I would like for my device:

1. Buuf Deuce icon set (http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=76340)
2. Aufkleber icon set (http://sixsixfive.deviantart.com/art/Aufkleber-112213849)
3. iComity icon set (http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/iComity?content=54242)

This is what my previous phone looked like

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/2764292262_8229cc3c6a_o.jpg

[manzn]

@maluka

a view iconset's - hmmm.... maybe but not so a awful like that from your IPhone :-D

[Dosenblech]

Everything works fine - i first updated the "maemo"-update and then "MyMenu" in the morning. No problem - now i will also find the app at the app-manager! thanks a lot.... :-)

[atunguyd]

As I said earlier I managed to freeze up my rebooting problem and then ssh into the device and attempt to remove mymenu. This fixed my rebooting problem but made my desktop unresponsive.

The only thing I can think of that is different in my device is that I symlinked the /var/lib/dpkg to /opt/var/lib/dpkg and /var/lib/atp to /opt/var/lib/atp

I dont know if installing mymenu did it but I did notice after installing mymenu that the directory /opt/var/lib now had more entries than just apt and dpkg

The reason I am thinking that this might have caused the problem is that trying to uninstall mymenu with apt-get remove mymenu gave a whole host of errors.

I did not capture these errors but I did then try reinstall mymenu and got similar errors which I can reproduce below. My current thinking is that the installation of mymenu went badly and hence killed my hildon desktop.


Nokia-N900-42-11:~#
Nokia-N900-42-11:~# mkdir /opt/menu-update
Nokia-N900-42-11:~# apt-get install --reinstall mymenu
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/71.5kB of archives.
After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
mymenu
Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
(Reading database ... 23678 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace mymenu 0.4.3.20100109 (using .../mymenu_0.4.3.20100109_armel.deb) ...
rm: cannot remove '/etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu': No such file or directory
dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
rm: cannot remove '/opt/menu-update': No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mymenu_0.4.3.20100109_armel.deb (--unpack):
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
gtk-update-icon-cache: Cache file created successfully.
/var/lib/dpkg/info/mymenu.postinst: cd: line 364: can't cd to /opt/menu-update/mymenu/new
touch: /opt/menu-update/mymenu/new/hildon.menu: No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
cat: can't open '/opt/menu-update/category': No such file or directory
/var/lib/dpkg/info/mymenu.postinst: line 465: cannot create /opt/menu-update/mymenu/new/hildon.menu: nonexistent directory
no Science+learn
no office
no multimedia
no Programmierung
no Spiele
no Graphics
no Netzwerk
no gps
no System
no sonstige
no tools
/var/lib/dpkg/info/mymenu.postinst: line 623: cannot create /opt/menu-update/mymenu/new/hildon.menu: nonexistent directory
hildon.menu gebaut
Stopping hildon-desktop
stop hildon-desktop
rm: cannot remove '/etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu': No such file or directory
rm hildon.menu
cp: cannot stat '/opt/menu-update/mymenu/new/hildon.menu': No such file or directory
cp hildon.menu
start hildon-desktop
Starting hildon-desktop
cp: cannot stat '/opt/menu-update/mymenu/sudoers.d/*': No such file or directory
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/mymenu_0.4.3.20100109_armel.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Nokia-N900-42-11:~#


{edit} on the plus side I reflashed my device and lost no settings - only took about an hour to get back to where I was so I am not all that upset with mymenu anymore.

[manzn]

@atunguyd thx for this usefull post

now i can make a few checks in the script :-D

thx, thx, thx

[jukey]

Hi manzn,

I really love you application. Thanks for it! One time it brings also mine N900 into the boot-cycle-of-death but, hey, that could happen with applications making deeper changes in the desktop configuration. :) Do you have any plans to publish it to extras-devel -> extras-testing -> extras repository to make it available for a great range of users?

Ciao jukey

[rmarcus]

Hey...is it still available? I can't install using "apt-get install mymeny".
Is there any other way?

Thanx

[Jaffa]

Is anyone actually working on the "show the categories and apps within them based off the category information in the package"?

Scratch that, I am:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2739/4268177643_45faf68bd8.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30863507@N02/4268177643/

Hardcoding apps to categories is so godawfully ugly from an architectural point of view, and can hardly scale once Ovi goes online.

Indeed.

I'll fully credit manzn as the inspiration and hope to get a package in extras-devel today.

[zehjotkah]

Scratch that, I am:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2739/4268177643_45faf68bd8.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30863507@N02/4268177643/



Indeed.

I'll fully credit manzn as the inspiration and hope to get a package in extras-devel today.

is this only for the n-series theme (blue) or also for digital nature (orange)

[Jaffa]

is this only for the n-series theme (blue) or also for digital nature (orange)

On the flickr page I outline it further:


It will use the icons from the user's current theme
If there is an icon missing, or the current theme cannot be determined, it will use the default theme (shown above).


HTH.

[b666m]

... hope to get a package in extras-devel today.

can't wait to have it :D
please leave a comment here when it's available, thx! ;)