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2015-01-29
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Originally Posted by benny1967
It seems that there is no direct way to refund money via IndieGoGo; however, you will be able to return the tablet to Jolla within 14 days of receiving it: https://together.jolla.com/question/...ge-and-refund/
No money back, sorry.
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2015-01-29
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Originally Posted by benny1967
I'm assuming this is a bit of tounge-in-cheek, but that is a problem, once they announced the goal and it was achieved, you will find people who were actually looking forward to it and less vocal than the minority that went with 'linux/FOSS/... is better than usability'. Just another example of 'can't make everyone happy', lets hope they have some simple solution prepared for people who would like their tablet to be able to accept all kinds of cards, without going into world-view disputes
So that was it. I don't trust them any more. I paid for a stretch goal to achieve standard-compliant SD-support >32GB. (For non-standard solutions like Ext4, no stretch goal would have been needed. They work already, many people use them today on their Jolla phones.)
Can somebody please tell me what my money was used for? Certainly not for the advertised goal. So what reason would I have to trust them with this new campaign? You pay for an alleged 64GB version, and in 2 months they decide that the whole thing got a re-design again and doesn't need that much memory any more because of whatever clever software design trick. You paid for 64GB on Indiegogo? No money back, sorry.
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2015-01-29
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Add to that, I paid for 3G that was never on the table like ubuntu edge which was refunded in full. Instead two fake stretch goals. I want my money back and buy a$200 kebab instead.
So that was it. I don't trust them any more. I paid for a stretch goal to achieve standard-compliant SD-support >32GB. (For non-standard solutions like Ext4, no stretch goal would have been needed. They work already, many people use them today on their Jolla phones.)
Can somebody please tell me what my money was used for? Certainly not for the advertised goal. So what reason would I have to trust them with this new campaign? You pay for an alleged 64GB version, and in 2 months they decide that the whole thing got a re-design again and doesn't need that much memory any more because of whatever clever software design trick. You paid for 64GB on Indiegogo? No money back, sorry.
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I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
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2015-01-29
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Did anybody investigate what would it take to enable exfat support "unofficially" ? There is at least one GPLed exfat driver and while I understand why Jolla might not be able/willing to ship it themselves, that does not mean users can't do that themselves.
From a cursory look it appears to be quite easy to do:
On Fedora, Mageia and ArchLinux
How To Install exFAT-utils on Fedora 20/19/18/17, Mageia 4 And Arch Linux
exfat-fuse RPM on RPM Fusion
On Ubuntu
How to get a drive formatted with exfat working?
How to enable exFAT in Ubuntu 14.04
That would enable interoperability for users able & willing to do the needed change on their own, without Jolla a substantial sum of money for what basically amounts to a tiny additional "supports SDXC" sticker on the box with the tablet.
From a cursory look it appears to be quite easy to do:
On Fedora, Mageia and ArchLinux
How To Install exFAT-utils on Fedora 20/19/18/17, Mageia 4 And Arch Linux
exfat-fuse RPM on RPM Fusion
On Ubuntu
How to get a drive formatted with exfat working?
How to enable exFAT in Ubuntu 14.04
That would enable interoperability for users able & willing to do the needed change on their own, without Jolla a substantial sum of money for what basically amounts to a tiny additional "supports SDXC" sticker on the box with the tablet.
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modRana: a flexible GPS navigation system
Mieru: a flexible manga and comic book reader
Universal Components - a solution for native looking yet component set independent QML appliactions (QtQuick Controls 2 & Silica supported as backends)
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#226
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Originally Posted by Dave999
I want my money back and buy a$200 kebab instead.
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2015-01-29
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#227
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Originally Posted by Dave999
What about reading :
Also gps seems to have dissapeard since last year. What about gps/glonass?
https://jolla.com/tablet
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/j...ourced-tablet/
both cite "GPS - Yes, support Glonass".
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Python, C/C++, Qt and CAS developer. For Maemo/MeeGo/Sailfish :
Integral, Derivative, Limit - calculating mathematical integrals, derivatives and limits. SymPy - Computer Algebra System.
MatPlotLib - 2D & 3D plots in Python. IPython - Python interactive shell.
-- My blog about mobile & scientific computing ---
Sailfish : Sony Xperia X, Gemini, Jolla, Jolla C, Jolla Tablet, Nexus 4. Nokia N9, N900, N810.
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2015-01-29
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Originally Posted by szopin
It's not.
I'm assuming this is a bit of tounge-in-cheek,
Originally Posted by szopin
It's not that simple. It's not just another example of 'can't make everyone happy'. They effectively withdrew a strech goal after it was reached and after people paid for it, keeping the money. They might as well cancel the whole tablet (which was the first goal). That's the risk of crowd funding, I'm aware of that, but that's not the point. The point is they announced something and canceled it after they had the money. This has nothing to do with keeping everyone happy.
Just another example of 'can't make everyone happy', lets hope they have some simple solution prepared for people who would like their tablet to be able to accept all kinds of cards, without going into world-view disputes
This is also why further technical discussions about solutions to achieve half-legal SDXC-compatibility are off topic here. I have exFAT on my GNU/Linux desktop computer, so there should be a way to get in running on a GNU/Linux tablet. (I even think I saw it in one of the repositories once.) The technical solution doesn't affect the moral debacle, though.
Last edited by benny1967; 2015-01-29 at 20:43.
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2015-01-29
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Originally Posted by benny1967
To be fair, you didn't pay for a stretch goal, you paid for a tablet. Said stretch goal also never mentioned anything about using a specific kind of filesystem format:
I paid for a stretch goal to achieve standard-compliant SD-support >32GB.
Goal #1 - $1,500,000: MicroSDHC support up to 128GB
Once we reach the first goal, every Jolla Tablet will be upgraded to support microSDHC cards up to 128GB! You’ll never have to worry about running out of space again. Currently Jolla Tablet supports cards up to 32GB, besides having 32GB internal storage.
This is not to say that that stretch goal wasn't silly from the beginning.
However, again, as long as the SD card remains inside the tablet, you never, ever, need to worry about which filesystem the SD card uses (and why would you take out the SD card anyway, it's so small it would get lost immediately). It's the one good thing about MTP. If someone has an OS that doesn't have proper support for MTP, maybe they should consider switching to something that isn't ten years old.
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2015-01-29
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Originally Posted by benny1967
It's not.
It's not that simple. It's not just another example of 'can't make everyone happy'. They effectively withdrew a strech goal after it was reached and after people paid for it, keeping the money. They might as well cancel the whole tablet (which was the first goal). That's the risk of crowd funding, I'm aware of that, but that's not the point. The point is they announced something and canceled it after they had the money. This has nothing to do with keeping everyone happy.
This is also why further technical discussions about solutions to achieve half-legal SDXC-compatibility are off topic here. I have exFAT on my GNU/Linux desktop computer, so there should be a way to get in running on a GNU/Linux desktop. (I even think I saw it in one of the repositories once.) The technical solution doesn't affect the moral debacle, though.
Can somebody please tell me what my money was used for? Certainly not for the advertised goal. So what reason would I have to trust them with this new campaign? You pay for an alleged 64GB version, and in 2 months they decide that the whole thing got a re-design again and doesn't need that much memory any more because of whatever clever software design trick. You paid for 64GB on Indiegogo? No money back, sorry.