mer/nemo, cssu-maemo, meego, etc dont have the hardware to be awesome yet. maemo6/harm runs on the best two devices ive ever seen.

til the open community gets a real phone, there will be swarms of harm hackers.

{srsly, if you dont want your n950, id be glad to test out mer on it...}

See, that is the point. You (the so called Harmattan community) separate yourselves from the Maemo community. What is the big idea behind that?

Arieand wolke by arguing you would just trash the thread and than there would be no point to at answers, please can you stop and let other councils as well to answer questions, at least i care about mine. thank you.

Hmm... a bit heated discussion.

Personally I feel the council members well deserve a device. Look at the amount of nominations for council members. Each year we're hard to get a full council. So for those that are willing to put their time into it, I applaud them, and think they fully deserve a device. They put the work in for the whole community, as elected by us, and people are up-in-arms about them getting a device? If it was so easy, I'd like to see much more participants in the community elections...

And another point... the discussion about whether council members should be allowed to nominate themselves to the community awards was a long time ago - it was here in TMO, it was in the mailing lists. I didn't see this kind of moaning about it then. The time to raise an issue about the possible conflicts of interests was then, not now after the awards have been given. I do think it's useful to raise issues about the selection criteria, but not about the conflict of interest. Time for that was before the awards were given.

On the other hand I understand where the complaints also come from. Personally I would have given RzR and itsnotabigtruck a device in a heartbeat. But I also realize that I'm looking things from Harmattan user perspective, and for that my perspective is not objective.

Also maybe some people feel the "harmattan folks" are not represented in the council. I do not know if that is so actually, as I hardly know the people in the council. I wanted myself to vote for Ariel since I knew he was a harmattan user and seemed sensible. But unfortunately I couldn't due to the maemo user name activation policies. Of course that vote would have been in the end a bit useless as he's left the platform (understandable given Nokia's recent actions), so no vote lost. But still, I think many harmattan users were caught a bit by surprise and couldn't vote.

Summary: I think council deserves the devices. I think RzR and itsnatabigtruck would also deserve a device. But so do many others for historical reasons for their services to the community, and I trust the council has done a good analysis. These kind of selections are always controversial. There's always difference of opinion who has made more contribution to the community. This was the council's, as elected by us, judgement. There is no absolute truth here.

oh no, you misunderstand me, and i misunderstood you. the harm community is part of the larger maemo community. all i was saying is that people who have and use n9/n950 develop for it and help others who do so. harm is ultimately not the direction id like to see maemo go.

i dont separate myself from maemo, i fully plan on using the most open platform that works. i imagine that will be maemo for the foreseeable future.

You are sure you want it? Ok, be carefull what you wish.

I am questiong you being a part of this community at all. You said you are done with your N9 the first time there were some really bad news. A month after you want to be a part of the body governing this very same community you said you are done with the only up to date commercial device running maemo. How exactly you are part of us?

my n900 running out of juice, I stop here, sorry

No, your timeline is wrong. I used my N9 up until a week ago.

I ran for council over a month ago.

I am still part of it no matter what, most of the people I respect and regard are still here.

I still have an N900, where are all these assumptions coming from?

Please, correct your timeline of my life then we can agree on what you're saying.

Quoting the main article

I'm getting really tired of you being insulting, rude, and demanding. And yet, I'm still here, trying to be polite and answer your questions. Think about that...

I'm sorry if some of these hard working contributors don't meet your level of "meaningful contributions". Again, insulting and arrogant.

The applicants, winners, their submissions, and all the details are on the wiki page. If you want a person-by-person listing of what they did, that's as close as you're going to get.

The fact that you clearly haven't looked at the applications, or the wiki-page, which I've linked to 3 times already, speaks volumes. We spent several days going over them. How long did you take?

There are also details about the nature of the competition on the wiki page, including that it's for past works, not future promises. Had you bothered to look at that one page, most of the arguments laid out above would have been moot from the start.

Your "thought" on this matter is simply incorrect. I have documented proof that Quim agreed to the method we used for this conflict. I live by facts, not what you vaguely recall you think you might have read somewhere.

Even if you were right, that would leave ONLY ME picking. Know what that would have meant? I do. Of those on the list, only 3 devices would have been assigned differently; and you'd still be here whining about it, no doubt.

You may be incorrectly recalling Quim stating that past winners of Nokia awards can not get a second device of the same type from CA. That rule was strictly followed. We also asked another question to Quim in that meeting: Can past winners of N950s get N9 devices? I don't think that was an issue in the end, but the rules were all quite strictly followed, besides your slanderous allegation otherwise:

Again... You're being rude and insulting. Do you not see that the above statement is at best rude, and at worst a blatant lie?

I'm sorry if you think you're special in some way because you are (or were) a big fish the "Harmattan community". But to come here, insult people, and the elected Council, spread FUD about the rules and the nature of the competition, and then demand detailed explanations and answers? You could be the CEO of Nokia, and I'd still tell you you're being a jerk.

And before you get on your high horse of "You've insulted the Harmattan community": No, I haven't. We just gave Harmattan two dozen excited new members with a track record of being huge community contributors (one of whom you've already managed to piss off). In fact, the only one being insulting to that community right now is you, by claiming to represent them while making childish attacks and insults based on made up facts and incorrect assumptions about the nature of this competition.

Need I remind you, you are the one coming in here making accusations? All of which so far have been documented and proven to be false? How many times do you have to be wrong before start to rethink your words so you're not insulting others?

With that, I'm giving you a time-out. If you're polite, I *might* come back and answer further questions you have tomorrow. But right now, you're being rude and insulting, and I've had about as much of you as I want to deal with today. I'll warn you, if you keep being rude and insulting, you may wind up with a special spot as the second person ever to be on my ignore list here on TMO.

you need to mark it bold as well so people would understand what you meant =P