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2010-01-21
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Originally Posted by smarsh
Absolute.. technology is a huge one. RAM, CPU.. Linux has "root", "shell", "terminal" - anywhere else terminal is likely to mean you're dead
Bear in mind that all cultures, even, and perhaps especially, professional cultures, invent languages for themselves. We all need to feel special.
. But, and as we both agree, when most of us here that talk like that realize who we are talking to doesn't understand.. we rephrase it in normal english.
The internet slang folk and people that are so addicted to short hand that everything they type just absolutely must include it everywhere... don't bother fixing their nonsense. So, as I said before - I just refuse to acknowledge them
. If I need a super-secret decoder ring to try and understand your problem.. it's not worth my time
. (I guess I'm somewhat of an elitist in that fashion.)But, as I said - This would require an AI more powerful than anybody, I believe, on here would even care to try and attempt to write in order to filter that kind of thing out. Unfortunately, there is no easy solution that I see to the signal-to-noise ratio that doesn't include a completely draconian rule (which I believe most of us are against).
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2010-01-21
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#53
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Originally Posted by smarsh
Nope.
You have identified that invariably these posts have some grammatical or spelling problems. Therefore, you have deduced that bad grammar (or whatever) equates to lack of content or trollish posts. Therefore, spotting bad grammar (or whatever) will reduce the number of these posts.
Is it only me that sees the fallacy here?
Also, it's hard replying to posts when people reply before your reply replies to their reply.
The idea was started as we hate lolz, and has since moved to the _fact_ that _most_ lulz-ridden, bad grammar, obvious idiot post is also devoid of content and while it's hard to draw a line on usefulness, a line could be drawn in such side effects of stupidity.
As a result we could, in theory, clean up both grammar and lack of content if we could only regulate one.
Additionally, there is still on the table the idea that it could be a positive thing more (or only) than a negative thing if the elders took it upon themselves to have high points in eloquence and grammar. (by example)
Such a system is not far in the thanking system, though it is being examined I understand. Trolly people have low ratio - however what is bad about it is that people who come here for help ask questions and get no thanks, mislabeling them even though they are here for a reason.
Lastly, my point to the fallacy as not the one I was looking for, and gave up too soon. What I wanted was the Nirvana fallacy, that states that just because a solution doesn't cover all angles it's not worth implementing.
I believe that even if there are bad sides to a system, it would still be nice to have. Some effects can be mitigated.
Thanks is bad for non-experts because they don't help. Voting is bad because people vote the idea not the application. Thanks is bad because people thank announcements. They all have major drawbacks. They they work and are actually not that bad. Especially as they are subject to refinement. Exclusion, for example.
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N900 dead and Nokia no longer replaces them. Thanks for all the fish.
Keep the forums clean: use "Thanks" button instead of the thank you post.
N900 dead and Nokia no longer replaces them. Thanks for all the fish.
Keep the forums clean: use "Thanks" button instead of the thank you post.
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2010-01-21
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#54
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Originally Posted by ndi
lol
Nope.
Also, it's hard replying to posts when people reply before your reply replies to their reply.
oops.
Your point regarding Nirvana is well made. I think fatalsaint is right though - getting to even an acceptable automated level would be very difficult, and the best measure is eyeballs and feet.
Still, you are quite right that leading by example would be most welcome. Glad I'm not a forum leader then.
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2010-01-21
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#55
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Ah, a chance to improve my grammar :-)
My instinct screams "do", but maybe that's just my French DNA playing tricks on me :-)
What a fun thread, anyway...
edit: oops, almost forgot: LOL!!!
Last edited by fpp; 2010-01-22 at 17:33.
Originally Posted by RevdKathy
Kathy, back on the first page you corrected ndi's post as above. Is that really "does", when the subject is plural ?
Is it me or does the worst spelling and grammar come from native speakers?
My instinct screams "do", but maybe that's just my French DNA playing tricks on me :-)
What a fun thread, anyway...
edit: oops, almost forgot: LOL!!!
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2010-01-21
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#56
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Aaaah, there it is. I was looking for that.
If I need a super-secret decoder ring to try and understand your problem.. it's not worth my time
See, if you think that you need a decoder and pass, then next person comes by and thinks this is a pass too, and so on, would it be so hard to push a button on each pass, like "I gave up" so that the next 250 people who see the thread are spared?
Sort of like the "This is spam" system. If 50 people marked a message as spam, it's pulled. Not deleted, but moved to a little folder nobody goes to and smells bad.
Perhaps a weighed minus, from post count or something so several accounts can't bury a post. Say, -1 for each 1000 posts or so, going logarithmic so Texrat can't insta-bury people unwillingly. Maybe a manual table taking the average into account, say 100, 300, 500, 1000, 3000, Texrat.
I'm just brainstorming here.
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N900 dead and Nokia no longer replaces them. Thanks for all the fish.
Keep the forums clean: use "Thanks" button instead of the thank you post.
N900 dead and Nokia no longer replaces them. Thanks for all the fish.
Keep the forums clean: use "Thanks" button instead of the thank you post.
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2010-01-21
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#57
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Already did, but I'm unable to make it target the TMO forums. It seems to be obsessed with wiping out all humanity instead.
This would require an AI more powerful than anybody, I believe, on here would even care to try and attempt to write
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2010-01-21
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#58
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Originally Posted by ndi
I tried a similar idea as 'no thanks' once: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33168
Aaaah, there it is. I was looking for that.
See, if you think that you need a decoder and pass, then next person comes by and thinks this is a pass too, and so on, would it be so hard to push a button on each pass, like "I gave up" so that the next 250 people who see the thread are spared?
Sort of like the "This is spam" system. If 50 people marked a message as spam, it's pulled. Not deleted, but moved to a little folder nobody goes to and smells bad.
Perhaps a weighed minus, from post count or something so several accounts can't bury a post. Say, -1 for each 1000 posts or so, going logarithmic so Texrat can't insta-bury people unwillingly. Maybe a manual table taking the average into account, say 100, 300, 500, 1000, 3000, Texrat.
I'm just brainstorming here.
Which led to some interesting discussion.
Is this the kind of thing you were thinking about?
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2010-01-21
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#59
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Originally Posted by ndi
Hey!!!! I get to self-promote!!!! WOOHOO
Perhaps a weighed minus, from post count or something so several accounts can't bury a post. Say, -1 for each 1000 posts or so, going logarithmic so Texrat can't insta-bury people unwillingly. Maybe a manual table taking the average into account, say 100, 300, 500, 1000, 3000, Texrat.
.http://maemo.org/community/brainstor...sign_for_2010/
Please see solution #11
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2010-01-21
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#60
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Originally Posted by ndi
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apostrophe
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However, I agree, lazy writing. And for the love of... please someone pin a sticky explaining the difference between N900s and N900's....
:P
For me difference is that for second one I have to use fn key and thats annoying.
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One time I was conversing with someone in a forum (not this one) and their english was so bad I just assumed that they were not a native English speaker and had been using Google Translate or similar.
I could barely understand a word of what they were saying: broken sentences, unrelated tangents, etc. -- it was like they were writing down exactly what was popping into their head.
I should have figured they were from the good ol' US of A.
-Brent
Author of TouchSearch -- web searching software for Maemo 5.
Mobile Device lineage: Palm Z22 -> Palm TX -> Nokia N800 -> Nokia N900