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Jack B

2011-05-25, 18:39

Thats not true anymore. Google announced EVERY manufacturer must release updates for at least a year and a half. Sounds reasonable..

I thought i'd buy a meego device. Realistically it wont happen unless that keyboardless is somewhere near magical.
That puts Android next on the list.

It's a difficult call now. I'm in the same boat.

Given what's happened with the N9, as far as I can se, if you want a new phone with a keyboard and don't happen to be a software developer based in California, then you now have a fairly simple choice

It is.... DesireZ .... E7 .... or maybe this new Sony?

So, who's getting what?

I'd rather have Android than Symbian by a long shot, but for me the E7 just looks a million times better as a piece of hardware

cfh11

2011-05-25, 18:39

both devices will be sold, and both will be easily acquired through normal channels.

everything we have heard so far points to the contrary. dev devices are typically loaners that you have to return in 2-3 years. and they will not be "easily acquired though normal channels" - you will need to either be at some sort of Nokia event or you will have to sign up for the developer device program.

so i think referring to dev and consumer devices separately is perfectly appropriate.

nwerneck

2011-05-25, 18:40

It is, as Harmattan will look & feel very different to the example MeeGo UXes; have different packaging and that was a talk abou an OS, not Nokia's device. A question about Harmattan, rather than the Harmattandevice, would have been (a bit) less off-topic.

About Harmattan having different look and feel from "MeeGo", won't that be always true for any MeeGo device that e.g. Nokia releases?...

Does every MeeGo support the Qt tools Nokia developed, and will Nokia's MeeGos always support Intel's SDK?... We hear a lot about "APIs" but I still haven't figured out how will that work.

BTW, does anybody know is Jessie works at FCC? (for on topicness! :) )

Verythrax

2011-05-25, 18:42

Hmmm the famos WP concept share design similarities with the N9/N950:

http://www.gsmarena.com/first_nokia_prototype_running_windows_phone_7_reve aled-news-2317.php

See the earpiece over the black glass.

Removing the WP trinklets, it looks similar enough in design to me.

marrat

2011-05-25, 18:43

What is this? Never saw this device before...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qwhTePppZsw/TFZ9xqzVmWI/AAAAAAAAA4U/oc71JvkvPfc/s1600/Nokia_new_touchscreen_99.jpg

NvyUs

2011-05-25, 18:44

zeh, id do a great deal of help if you could refrain from delineating as dev/consumer ...
Why thats what they are, like I said to some one the other day if you want qwerty device you had two weeks to learn how to code :)

both consumers, and it makes it sound like one is exclusive to one group. both devices will be sold, and both will be easily acquired through normal channels.
Both will not be sold through normal channels only one, I was told this on the day the Video leaked and I've heard nothing different since so plan still stands.

mikecomputing

2011-05-25, 18:46

Just talked to Mr Flop he told the true for me after I pointed the gun on his head :D

But it was bad news :o

The N9 will have WP8 as mainos. Howevere you can dualboot too Harmattan but in Maemo you will not have silverlight and Flash and your only allowed to use Meego 1 hour per day then it will boot back to WP8.

paweltrzpis

2011-05-25, 18:47

http://thenokian9blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/medfield-phone-01-31-2011.jpg

....could that be so easy?

misterc

2011-05-25, 18:47

zeh, id do a great deal of help if you could refrain from delineating as dev/consumer ... they are both consumers, and it makes it sound like one is exclusive to one group. both devices will be sold, and both will be easily acquired through normal channels.

if there are two devices, just present them as HWKB and VKB .. no reason for dev/consumer, it creates the confusion that we wish to avoid.

thanks

how about Elop & Green stating there would ONE MeeGo device?
two devices would make them look like clowns, wouldn't it?
especially Elop (who is seen as the NOKIA "man".
Green's statement may pass more easily as a "techie" thingy. he could get away with "o, sorry, forgot that one :p "

lorul2

2011-05-25, 18:48

What is this? Never saw this device before...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qwhTePppZsw/TFZ9xqzVmWI/AAAAAAAAA4U/oc71JvkvPfc/s1600/Nokia_new_touchscreen_99.jpg

A render?! what do I win...:D

suy

2011-05-25, 18:50

harmattan consumer device without keyboard, later this year (late summer/early autumn).
there is even an image of the consumer device somewhere in the webz..

There is this joke that says: Oh my God, give me patience, give me patience, give me patience... But give it to me NOW!!

I feel exactly this way. At least if the dev device is shown soon we will have videos of the software and so on.

misterc

2011-05-25, 18:50

What is this? Never saw this device before...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qwhTePppZsw/TFZ9xqzVmWI/AAAAAAAAA4U/oc71JvkvPfc/s1600/Nokia_new_touchscreen_99.jpg

looks a little too thick to be "nice & fashionable & all" no?
and looks a little like photoshoped :o

zehjotkah

2011-05-25, 18:51

and those sources are ppl you talked to @ MeeGo conf?

I still love your proper use of the MeeGo logo. ;)
Partly.

zeh, id do a great deal of help if you could refrain from delineating as dev/consumer ... they are both consumers, and it makes it sound like one is exclusive to one group. both devices will be sold, and both will be easily acquired through normal channels.

if there are two devices, just present them as HWKB and VKB .. no reason for dev/consumer, it creates the confusion that we wish to avoid.

thanks

shad, id do a great deal of help if you could refrain from delineating both as consumer ... just one is consumer, and one is exclusive to one group. just one device will be sold (as stated officially by Nokia management/press), and only one will be easily acquired through normal channels.

there are two devices, just present them as developer device and consumer device .. no reason for HWKB/VKB, it creates the confusion that we wish to avoid

thanks

cfh11

2011-05-25, 18:53

how about Elop & Green stating there would ONE MeeGo device?
two devices would make them look like clowns, wouldn't it?
especially Elop (who is seen as the NOKIA "man".
Green's statement may pass more easily as a "techie" thingy. he could get away with "o, sorry, forgot that one :p "

there will be ONE Meego device from Nokia this year available through normal commercial channels... is that so hard to understand?

qwazix

2011-05-25, 18:54

zehjotkah

2011-05-25, 18:55

there will be ONE Meego device from Nokia this year available through normal commercial channels... is that so hard to understand?

and this one consumer device will be Harmattan.

Verythrax

2011-05-25, 18:55

how about Elop & Green stating there would ONE MeeGo device?
two devices would make them look like clowns, wouldn't it?

Why would anybody think of them as clowns because of it?

- a dev device wouldn't count as a regular device, so just one Meego device would be available to the public. The dev one would just be "new old stock" of an unreleased device being put to the devs as a lat pat in the back before the goodbye.

- it would make them look better "look, since we are nice guys, we hyave ans extra MeeGo device here. So stop hating on us"

- Plans change, Nokia said would stick their guns with Symbian - until MSFT come and put every plan down. What was said in the past, is past.

- Nobody even care about that old "one device talk", so nobody would notice ;)

cfh11

2011-05-25, 18:58

Now in the lack of something special I will make my wishlist for the N9 here.

5inch hdready amoled or pixelqi screen, dual capacitive/wacom with pressure sensitivity (like dell xt12/hp 2740p)

1ghz or more cpu
1gb or more ram
keyboard like E7
all N900 features
compass
pico projector addon with extra battery(to fit the phone and expand it, like iphone battery cases)
usb otg (powered 500mah)

price 500eur

with all that wishful thinking, couldnt you do something about the price as well? 500 euros is too much for any phone IMO, unless it is powerful enough to completely replace your laptop

zymo

2011-05-25, 18:58

there is even an image of the consumer device somewhere in the webz..

have you seen the consumer device in real?

msnbcnnbcbs

2011-05-25, 19:01

there is even an image of the consumer device somewhere in the webz..

Is it on this page? http://www.maemofrance.fr/2010/11/rumeur-deux-futurs-smartphones-nokia-sous-meego/

zehjotkah

2011-05-25, 19:08

Is it on this page? http://www.maemofrance.fr/2010/11/rumeur-deux-futurs-smartphones-nokia-sous-meego/

i don't see any photos on that page except of the last one, which is the dev device.

zb88

2011-05-25, 19:09

i don't see any photos on that page except of the last one, which is the dev device.

oh come on! just point to it already, where is that image. :)

paweltrzpis

2011-05-25, 19:12

i don't see any photos on that page except of the last one, which is the dev device.

..you evil person...does it means thats one of the images is correct but is not in form of taken photo?

Brock

2011-05-25, 19:12

plz zeh... give us a hint... you can not say that there is a picture somewhere and dont tell us where to look at...

Brock

2011-05-25, 19:13

..you evil person...does it means thats one of the images is correct but is not in form of taken photo?

no, he said that in the web their is a realy photo and not a render of the device... and at the link there are only render images except of the last one

dtergens

2011-05-25, 19:16

A real photo of N9 ^^ ...

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4710/nokian9.png

sorry lol

marrat

2011-05-25, 19:17

This one?

http://www.concept-phones.com/page/2/?s=nokia+prototype

If so, I'm out, it's ugly, the same round-ish shape as most of the current competitor phones available, nothing to differentiate...

msnbcnnbcbs

2011-05-25, 19:18

i don't see any photos on that page except of the last one, which is the dev device.

http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nokia_n920_prototype_leak.jpg

??

qwazix

2011-05-25, 19:18

http://thenokian9blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/medfield-phone-01-31-2011.jpg

....could that be so easy?

android, see the 4 capacitive buttons at the bottom?

mikecomputing

2011-05-25, 19:19

Hmm I just decided maybe its better try help improve N900DEinstead of waiting for the damn device in this thread.

I mean even IF it will be announced in some weeks it will take MONTH before we really has it in our hands...

so lets dualboot real Meego on N900 instead :-D just saw that Opera has a beta browser working for it :-)

Creamy Goodness

2011-05-25, 19:24

there is even an image of the consumer device somewhere in the webz..

why don't we ask some better questions and stop trying to get him in trouble...

1) is the picture a photo of someone that happens to be using the phone
2) was the photo taken at the MeeGo conf
3) does the photo show the front of the phone
4) if we show you the right photo, will you say "no comment"

amjadk

2011-05-25, 19:29

why don't we ask some better questions and stop trying to get him in trouble...

1) is the picture a photo of someone that happens to be using the phone
2) was the photo taken at the MeeGo conf
3) does the photo show the front of the phone
4) if we show you the right photo, will you say "no comment"

lets start the game!!

zymo

2011-05-25, 19:30

zeh, first you say you haven’t seen the device and now you are saying there is photo of that device in the web? so how can you know this, if you haven’t seen the device?

Diph

2011-05-25, 19:32

http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nokia_n920_prototype_leak.jpg

??
Nokia switched from Maemo 5 to Maemo 4?

aikon800

2011-05-25, 19:36

this is not it right ??

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thp4/5749479470/sizes/l/in/pool-1658881@N24/

misterc

2011-05-25, 19:39

there will be ONE Meego device from Nokia this year available through normal commercial channels... is that so hard to understand?

that's what i'm saying all the time :o
considering how pissed Ze was when it turned out the developer device wouldn't be "presented / distributed" @ MeeGo conf contrary to what he had posted, i trust him to be double cautious. :|
(but i'm not done w/ Ze yet >;-)

the only thing i'm still pissed @ is that the device i shall be able to buy wouldn't have a hw kbd.
means i'll have to see what LGe or SAMSUNG are going to come up with.

sevla

2011-05-25, 19:44

this is not it right ??

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thp4/5749479470/sizes/l/in/pool-1658881@N24/

THat's it... that's the consumer device.

volt

2011-05-25, 19:45

misterc

2011-05-25, 19:46

[...]
Partly.

[...]

you MUST be kidding, right?
anyone in the know about MeeGo HAS TO be in SF, no?
how can you trust someone who is sitting behind his desk thousands of kliks from there right now?!?

ps: glad you like it ;)
considering that was what one of the two original threads was all about, thought it might be a nice touch :D

misterc

2011-05-25, 19:47

THat's it... that's the consumer device.

the foldable one or the bagable one?

ARJWright

2011-05-25, 19:48

What is this? Never saw this device before...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qwhTePppZsw/TFZ9xqzVmWI/AAAAAAAAA4U/oc71JvkvPfc/s1600/Nokia_new_touchscreen_99.jpg

That was a concept for a device before the N900 was released. Couldn't tell you where, but it was a render of possible looks for the N900, not of anything since.

IsaacDFP

2011-05-25, 19:49

Zehjotkah! I always forget to ask this question, but is ANYBODY AT ALL in Nokia still working on the Nokia Morph project?? It's been years since I've heard any updates :(

misterc

2011-05-25, 19:50

How can you even guess that a prototype from 2009 is the N9?
Also, I'm getting kinda full on the N8-like designs already.

Didn't Jaffa say earlier in this thread that LG apparently has pulled out already? ZTE then.

he said they pulled out of presenting a device in SF, not that they pulled out of MeeGo, didn't he?

ARJWright

2011-05-25, 19:51

this is not it right ??

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thp4/5749479470/sizes/l/in/pool-1658881@N24/

Look at the bottom near the hand, doesn't look like there's a keyboard on that as there's some kind of change in the color and texture of the device at that point. Reminds me of something HTC would have built, not Nokia.

marrat

2011-05-25, 19:52

Look at the bottom near the hand, doesn't look like there's a keyboard on that as there's some kind of change in the color and texture of the device at that point. Reminds me of something HTC would have built, not Nokia.

HTC Desire Z has just the same color change at the same place and has a keyboard... Maybe it's even that one, but no one can say for sure... (except the guy who is holding the device, apparently)

volt

2011-05-25, 19:54

he said they pulled out of presenting a device in SF, not that they pulled out of MeeGo, didn't he?

I think you're right.

What's the deal with Lucky Goldstar, anyway. They've been saying they're gonna give us a Maemo device since like... Maemo 4.

That phone clearly looks like a HTC related to Hero, Desire and Desire Z. HTC have so many models, I can't pinpoint the closest one, but the Desire Z would have been my guess except the darker gray on the Desire Z wouldn't look black - I think. Also, the Desire Z seems to be more rounded.

http://pocketnow.com/html/portal/news/0000012129/DesireZ.jpg

Even so, I'd much earlier believe that's the Desire Z, than I would that said person would get away with showing off his still-unannounced N9(50) in public in that way. Is he even an Nokia insider?

ARJWright

2011-05-25, 19:55

Zehjotkah! I always forget to ask this question, but is ANYBODY AT ALL in Nokia still working on the Nokia Morph project?? It's been years since I've heard any updates :(

Morph was a concept designed to point to the tech being developed in the different Nokia RCs. That said, these pieces talk about what's come in that vein:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/10/five-mobile-interfaces-nokia/?pid=666&viewall=true

http://research.nokia.com/news/9512

I'd love a Morph device too. It sparked me to get an N800 honestly. Will be a while yet before that tech is finished though, lots of work to do I'm sure.

shmerl

2011-05-25, 19:59

misterc

2011-05-25, 20:00

I think you're right.

What's the deal with Lucky Goldstar, anyway. They've been saying they're gonna give us a Maemo device since like... Maemo 4.

can't say much about OS200x devices or backgrounds as back then they didn't have SIM / GSM.
wi-fi & Co is cute (well, a lot more then cute, of course...) but i can't depend on that & i'm not about to have yet another device bagged along :(

misterc

2011-05-25, 20:05

I think you're right.

What's the deal with Lucky Goldstar, anyway. They've been saying they're gonna give us a Maemo device since like... Maemo 4.

That phone clearly looks like a HTC related to Hero, Desire and Desire Z. HTC have so many models, I can't pinpoint the closest one, but the Desire Z would have been my guess except the darker gray on the Desire Z wouldn't look black - I think. Also, the Desire Z seems to be more rounded.

http://pocketnow.com/html/portal/news/0000012129/DesireZ.jpg

Even so, I'd much earlier believe that's the Desire Z, than I would that said person would get away with showing off his still-unannounced N9(50) in public in that way. Is he even an Nokia insider?

can we really depend on colours to distinguish or identify devices?
i mean, the N8 comes in pink :eek:

doesn't that device seem to be made of two parts? upper screen & lower ???

misterc

2011-05-25, 20:10

Great if it's so. But so far everything indicates that obtaining the device with hw keyboard will be close to impossible. Whatever that obscure mantra "for developers only" means.

i'd say, so far, nothing (official) allows to say what device we'll get.
no offence to Ze, but, as long as he can't say Elop or whomever in charge @ NOKIA confirmed (him) a specific device will be distributed, we are left w/ speculation.
basically, we will have to wait for an official announcement. :confused:

volt

2011-05-25, 20:11

can we really depend on colours to distinguish or identify devices?
i mean, the N8 comes in pink :eek:

HTC isn't Nokia. If that's indeed a HTC, there's many models to choose from but only so few colours. I can't remember seeing a Nokia having that signature HTC dark bottom part.

doesn't that device seem to be made of two parts? upper screen & lower ???

Doesn't it look like a flattened and thinner Hero with a lighter shade of silver?

http://www.likecool.com/Gear/Cellphone/HTC%20Hero/HTC-Hero.jpg

This is, from the start, a speculation thread. We can't depend on anything in here. (Nor can we depend on Nokia, pretty much.)

marrat

2011-05-25, 20:11

can we really depend on colours to distinguish or identify devices?
i mean, the N8 comes in pink :eek:

doesn't that device seem to be made of two parts? upper screen & lower ???

Come on, the N8 in pink is a real sexy one. I'm saying that as a man who doesn't like girly colors at all, but on the N8 it just looks right...

And yes, the device in the photo (HTC Desire Z) is made of two parts, it has a QWERTY keyboard.

nwerneck

2011-05-25, 20:16

everything we have heard so far points to the contrary. dev devices are typically loaners that you have to return in 2-3 years. and they will not be "easily acquired though normal channels" - you will need to either be at some sort of Nokia event or you will have to sign up for the developer device program.

so i think referring to dev and consumer devices separately is perfectly appropriate.

There were N900s given/sold to developers "through abnormal channels" too. A device does not have to be a taboo device that will never land in the hands of users in order to be distributed like this, to developers first, but eventually to consumers.

Why wouldn't Nokia sell the devices? Are they not good enough for consumers? Because of what, "flimsy hinges"? And developers, not being human beings (to quote the old Ubuntu lemma), wouldn't care about that, and would think it's OK to use a crappy phone?

I don't doubt there may be developer programs, "abnormal channels", etc. But the idea of the exclusivity, that the device will _never_ be sold as a regular device simply does not make sense to me. I believe you people ate jumping to conclusions from incomplete information. It's a very colorful story, devices that were going to the garbage bin being instead scrapped and given to our valiant developers... I would certainly love one of these, along with the story of saving a rare device (I am myself a known techno beggar, having participated of the Nokia Push while never being able to afford a N900). But a teacher of melancholy once taught me that life is very rarely that exciting and interesting.

Nokia can manufacture these babies by the flip of a switch. They open up the N9 faucet, and there you go, macbooquesque 1GHz mobile computers to all around the world. Not just 97k in a warehouse behind Eldar Murtain's momma house in Russia.

I will buy this story if you guys provide me one solid reason for Nokia to act like this. If the device has a _good quality_, it can be perfectly sold regularly. If it has a _bad quality_, Nokia should in fact bury these little monsters deep, and never let them see the light of day, not even as scrapped gadgets handed to developers. They have a reputation to keep, and all that sort of marketing stuff...

Just my 97,000 cents. I will eat the sapphire of a Nokia Oro if turns out my predictions, based on zero facts and just my own uncommon sense (or Next Sense) are wrong.

sjgadsby

2011-05-25, 20:18

What's the deal with Lucky Goldstar, anyway. They've been saying they're gonna give us a Maemo device since like... Maemo 4.

That seems unlikely. Nokia never licensed Maemo to any other company and never showed any interest in doing so. Indeed, each time the possibility of licensing was brought up by community members, Nokia employees responded negatively.

A few small manufacturers did show "Maemo" devices, but those weren't licensed. They didn't have legal right to use the Maemo name, and they didn't use the full Maemo software stack. Instead, they combined some open source pieces from Maemo with mixes of other, non-Maemo open source and proprietary parts.

Had a company as large as LG tried that, Nokia would have taken them to court to protect the Maemo trademark.

misterc

2011-05-25, 20:18

Come on, the N8 in pink is a real sexy one. I'm saying that as a man who doesn't like girly colors at all, but on the N8 it just looks right...

And yes, the device in the photo (HTC Desire Z) is made of two parts, it has a QWERTY keyboard.

honestly? :o
i'd love one in Orange, like the POST Reply button @ the bottom of the page :p

volt

2011-05-25, 20:19

IsaacDFP

2011-05-25, 20:20

I'd love a Morph device too. It sparked me to get an N800 honestly. Will be a while yet before that tech is finished though, lots of work to do I'm sure.

I first heard about that project back in 2007, and I also know there are numerous scientists working with nanotechnology since the last 90s. I would've though by now some kind of physical demo could've been shown :(

Getting into a Nokia Research Center laboratory isn’t easy. The security doors remain open long enough for one or two people to enter and if held open too long, will sound what we’re told is an exceptionally loud alarm.

Sigh, if companies were so secretive and instead share their knowledge with others, we could advance a lot faster in human technology. And we wouldn't be here worrying about MeeGo, lol

ARJWright

2011-05-25, 20:22

Sigh, if companies were so secretive and instead share their knowledge with others, we could advance a lot faster in human technology.

They share a ton. Much of it is too far out for many consumer applications. Some of the apps in Nokia's BetaLabs for both Maemo and Symbian platforms come out of NRC research though.

The disruptive aspect of what a Nokia Maemo/MeeGo device could be, coming from that lineage, shouldn't be over or underestimated.

misterc

2011-05-25, 20:33

nwerneck:

Until Nokia says otherwise, you should believe what they have already said. There is ONE MeeGo device coming to the market.

There have been SEVERAL developer devices involved in the MeeGo/Maemo lifeline, and all of these have been quite difficult to get for outsiders.

precisely!
the only thing we heard from NOKIA so far is that there would be ONE device.
no indication whatsoever about other specs, except in Rich Green's interview
(« it is beautiful and elegant and the hardware is interesting and the software is powerful »)
anyone heard anything more?

Näky

2011-05-25, 20:34

For the consumer device photo "game":
How about that handset in Real Steel trailer? Or does screenshot count as photo?
That phone looks like something in polycarbonate case with N8/E7 style caps at both ends. If imagined without that case device would be pretty slim.

volt

2011-05-25, 20:34

Had a company as large as LG tried that, Nokia would have taken them to court to protect the Maemo trademark.

Okay, let me pull away some exaggeration and just quote some faulty web reference from January 2010. I just remember that I've been reading the tag "Maemo" on the GW990 several times. There was a bit of "will come with this OS, will not come with that OS after all", etc.

http://news.techwhack.com/11550-lg-gw990/

LG GW990 comes powered with an Intel Moorestown processor

LG has showcased a new smartphone model that comes powered with an Intel Moorestown processor!

This is interesting considering most other high performance smartphones are coming with Qualcomm Snapdragon processor.

LG GW990 supports the Intel Maemo mobile platform.

Clearly this is a misunderstanding but since early 2010, LG has been flirting with Moblin+Maemo=MeeGo.

zehjotkah

2011-05-25, 20:34

Sorry, was off to lunch.

you MUST be kidding, right?
anyone in the know about MeeGo HAS TO be in SF, no?
how can you trust someone who is sitting behind his desk thousands of kliks from there right now?!?

nearly nobody from Nokia besides Quim Gil, Mikko Terho and a bunch of Qt devs are here at the conference. The conference is about MeeGo, not Harmattan.

I trust him/her because information in the past was correct. Some of these infos were late, though, like cancelled distribution of Harmattan devices just was said to me one day before conference.

zehjotkah! I always forget to ask this question, but is ANYBODY AT ALL in Nokia still working on the Nokia Morph project?? It's been years since I've heard any updates :(

I don't have any knowledge of the morph project, I doubt it is actually a project inside Nokia. As far as I remember it was only a concept from a student.

why don't we ask some better questions and stop trying to get him in trouble...

1) is the picture a photo of someone that happens to be using the phone
2) was the photo taken at the MeeGo conf
3) does the photo show the front of the phone
4) if we show you the right photo, will you say "no comment"

1) no
2) no
3) yes
4) I can even say "yes" or "no" :D
The problem is I can't find it on the net and I won't upload it.

zeh, first you say you haven’t seen the device and now you are saying there is photo of that device in the web? so how can you know this, if you haven’t seen the device?

I got today the photo with the information that this is the consumer device and that it was sometime ago leaked to the internet.

Verythrax

2011-05-25, 20:41

4) I can even say "yes" or "no" :D
http://www.techspot.com/news/42120-leaked-pictures-of-a-nokia-meego-tablet-prototype.html

http://www.loopygadgets.com/2008/12/next-generation-nokia-touchscreen-leaked/

http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/10/15/possible-leaked-nokia-n920-photo-leaked/

Brock

2011-05-25, 20:50

http://www.techspot.com/news/42120-leaked-pictures-of-a-nokia-meego-tablet-prototype.html

http://www.loopygadgets.com/2008/12/next-generation-nokia-touchscreen-leaked/

http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/10/15/possible-leaked-nokia-n920-photo-leaked/

1. no
2. no
3. no

sorry to disapoint you ;)

Brock

2011-05-25, 20:51

zeh tweeted these two links a few seconds ago ;)

http://img.ly/4pRY
http://img.ly/4pSk

asking which device it is... could be the dev device!? ;)

Verythrax

2011-05-25, 20:51

Zeh just twitted 2 pics of handsets in the Conf.

Those 2 looks black, with a grey/silver finish in the front (click his sig for the twitter account)

The problem is that it doesn't seem to have the same hinge mecanism as the N9 leaked before of the one in the teaser. Those seems to be common slider style.

???

EDIT: beaten by Brock, but my point still stands ;)

EDIT 2: It's just me or the NDA is just going through the window? Time expired? :D

marrat

2011-05-25, 20:52

paweltrzpis

2011-05-25, 20:53

1. no
2. no
3. no

sorry to disapoint you ;)
##if it was on web some time ago it could have been taken off by Mighty Powers of Nokia unless you KNOW for a fact that it is stil online somewhere

Verythrax

2011-05-25, 20:54

Looks tilted to me, not just slid up...

The second one can be or not be tilted, but the first one seems to be slid... but the pic and the hands position doesn't really help :p

sevla

2011-05-25, 20:56

this is so stupid.. whats with the people covering the phone like that.. This is so stupid.. i'm tired of watching this thread for useless info.. I'll just come back when there is something to actually talk about..

zfarooq

2011-05-25, 20:56

http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/FUTURE-600x397.png

Could be similar to this zehjotkah ?

Reflektorfalke

2011-05-25, 20:57

zeh tweeted these two links a few seconds ago ;)

http://img.ly/4pRY
http://img.ly/4pSk

asking which device it is... could be the dev device!? ;)

Relax guys, both look like N900.
They just wanna play with you by covering the thick bottom brick-form with their palms, showing only the slim display part :D

Alee

2011-05-25, 20:58

I dont know why, but i have a very strong feeling that this is the so-called consumer device
http://www.loopygadgets.com/2008/12/next-generation-nokia-touchscreen-leaked/
maybe old but given that hardware is updated and maybe/may-not-be a slight design change.

Jaekaelae

2011-05-25, 21:00

Like it moves me anywhere but my crystalball says that there is going to be dev model in black too.

mrsellout

2011-05-25, 21:00

Relax guys, both look like N900.
They just wanna play with you by covering the thick bottom brick-form with their palms, showing only the slim display part :D

This is not the n900. The port is in the wrong place, the screen is too slim, the shape of the edge is like an n8.

Brock

2011-05-25, 21:02

This is not the n900. The port is in the wrong place, the screen is too slim, the shape of the edge is like an n8.

and i wouldnt hold my n900 phone like this... looks more like they want to hide it... and i wouldnt hide my n900 ;)

LTman

2011-05-25, 21:02

honestly dude am i the only one worried by the lack of terminal by default
if it is only lack of the terminal launcher app and all the backend stuff / cmd tools are there but if those are crippled then this could get ugly for us power linux users
lets hope it is like maemo which has all the cli tools (not just like anroid terminal with only cd and pwd yaay) like dd and what not and lets hope the dudes at meego managed to get gnome/kde support so wont even need easy debian tl get through daily usage (althoug on the n900 it was great and it would be more of a perk app than an essential tool on the n9)

Reflektorfalke

2011-05-25, 21:03

k, but still:
They just wanna play with you by covering the thick bottom brick-form with their palms, showing only the slim display part :D
:D

mikecomputing

2011-05-25, 21:03

This is not the n900. The port is in the wrong place, the screen is too slim, the shape of the edge is like an n8.

Noklia E7 maybe

Alee

2011-05-25, 21:11

quiet old but i guess we can expect something like this Color us sceptical with so little to go on, but Journal du Geek report that Nokia has been showing off the following teaser advert at their Capital Markets Day in Brooklyn on Thursday. The image shows an as-yet unannounced Nokia device with a slim silver bezel, full touchscreen interface and minimal hardware controls, with the tagline “Best in class touch solution enables large volumes and growth”. Update: New information after the cut.

Also included is the text “Direct UI simplifies interaction with standard strokes and gestures”. The handset itself could be a keyboard-free version of the new Nokia N97, intended to take on the iPhone 3G more directly with a slimmer chassis but the new smartphone’s boosted feature set.

We’re waiting for a comment from our sources at Nokia as to the authenticity of the image, together with any details they might have for us. Up until then, we’ll just have to cross our fingers that this handset – or one like it – is in Nokia’s future.

Update: Our contacts at Nokia image tell us the image is authentic, but that it’s not an upcoming device. Instead, it’s intended to show off new UI enhancements. Our source confirmed that there were no new devices announced at Capital Markets Day.

http://www.slashgear.com/next-gen-nokia-touchscreen-phone-leaked-0525382/#more-25382

and ohh the sexxiness

madstunt

2011-05-25, 21:15

Noklia E7 maybe
no the E7 hasn't got a port there and the upper part's border is different

misterc

2011-05-25, 21:15

Noklia E7 maybe

come one, ppl @ MeeGo conf hiding an E7 :confused:
why would they do that? ashamed of having a Symbian dev?

but it brings back something i pointed out a couple days ago;
developer device based on the N8 (without keyboard)
consumer device based on E7 (with keyboard)
:D
that's why they are hiding it ¦-)

ro25anav

2011-05-25, 21:27

no the E7 hasn't got a port there and the upper part's border is different

no, it realy seems to be just the e7.
but that "port" at the thumb is the volume shifter.

shady

2011-05-25, 21:31

is it SO hard to wait till june?

ro25anav

2011-05-25, 21:31

here is a proof

blackbox

2011-05-25, 21:33

no, it realy seems to be just the e7.
but that "port" at the thumb is the volume shifter.

It is the E7.
They know everyone here is just painfully waiting for any kind of leaked image and this guy is obviously trying to make you think it is the N9/N950 just for laughs.

zehjotkah

2011-05-25, 21:34

It is the E7.
They know everyone here is just painfully waiting for any kind of leaked image and this guy is obviously trying to make you think it is the N9/N950 just for laughs.

finally... :D

we're just extremely bored here at the MeeGo Conference..

ro25anav

2011-05-25, 21:35

is it SO hard to wait till june?

absolutely!
and in june it´s maybe the same like now at the meego conf.

Do you want to see our FIRST meego super deluxe smartphone.
"yeaaahhhhhh, give it to me"
Sorry just a joke, but here are our new WP7 phones, enjoy :p.

marrat

2011-05-25, 21:35

here is a proof

The shape of the device in the other pic is slightly different. Also, here on the E7 we have silver bottom and silver top-bezel.

On the other device we have a silver top-bezel, too, but a black bottom.

crisscross

2011-05-25, 21:36

Jo Harlow confirms "Meego device coming soon":
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2385899,00.asp

larux

2011-05-25, 21:46

Jo Harlow confirms "Meego device coming soon":
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2385899,00.asp

And she also says that Meego wasn't mature enough for big product portfolio. Also she states in that article that "door is left open"

WOW. :D :D

I created new thread for "door speculations" :-) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73448

jakiman

2011-05-25, 21:46

Jo Harlow confirms "Meego device coming soon":

From my experience, "soon" has been a very long time in Nokia world....

ro25anav

2011-05-25, 21:51

oh wow, tomorrow we will hit the 3000 mark.
who will be the choosen one ... .

zehjotkah, will you disclose informations or a pic :3
we all will keep that a secret!

gerbick

2011-05-25, 22:04

I hate to have said that I bought into the idea that something was going to be announced; however after now... I fear that I've gone from anticipation to basic apathy with the non-announcement thus far.

Not because I need a new phone. I don't. Not because I bought into the hype by two people in the thread that claimed to have knowledge that others didn't; truth comes in time. I'm not impatient... I've been waiting since Maemo 4.1 for a device that I'd buy into again. It hasn't happened yet... not like I'd like. The N900 was a curiosity. I waited, didn't regret it, it still broke.

So instead of teasers, lack of commitment on any comments that are worth anything and instead of putting my faith on anything that is beyond pure speculation - that's all it is so far - I'd rather temper my purchasing power and ability to something that's a given.

No device is out with current specs that has everything, or even a majority of what I want. I'll make do with my current device... not because I have to, but because I'm willing. And to continue to guess, jump at speculation or assume that I'll find out more tomorrow is a fool's endeavor. I'm willing to admit that my hope has probably been spent on anything Nokia for quite a while.

And that's not frustration speaking. That's just the currency of "hope" that Nokia would deliver being totally spent. Something comes out that wows me... I'll buy it. But as it stands, I now have a dual core, rather competent phone in my pocket.

I have a dual core, rather competent tablet in my laptop bag/carrying case that does what I need, has some impressive looking 3D games for it (Riptide GP is friggin' awesome on the Xoom) and I'm not exactly hurting for tech.

The world continues to revolve. I continue to look forward to something that will fill my pockets and pique my interest. I'm looking for that same spark that I had the first time I touched a 770. And unfortunately, per each day... Nokia loses a chance to be that person that does that for me.

Oh well. Not bitter. Not angry. Nor anything other than just happy with what I have that still works, enjoyed my N900 while it still had a microUSB that was intact and I'm learning more about coding on my Android per day when I'd rather be programming on a Maemo device.

tissot

2011-05-25, 22:06

From my experience, "soon" has been a very long time in Nokia world....

Indeed. "soon" means nothing over at Nokia. Thinking we where originally supposed to see MeeGo device last year.
That said i still believe we will see announcement of dev device in months time. Harlows comments just don't change that to any direction.

Brock

2011-05-25, 22:10

from twitter:
forumnokia (Forum Nokia Team)

here's the deal: we will announce a MeeGo-based device this year and will make that announcement at the appropriate time. Thanks.

LOL

sevla

2011-05-25, 22:13

from twitter:
forumnokia (Forum Nokia Team)

here's the deal: we will announce a MeeGo-based device this year and will make that announcement at the appropriate time. Thanks.

LOL

Is this for real? If so, that's a real a-hole comment. It would serve us all to just move on and just come back when something is announced. I'm sure they are getting an enormous kick out of having us on baited breath for a stupid phone. This is just ridiculous..

Brock

2011-05-25, 22:16

Is this for real? If so, that's a real a-hole comment. It would serve us all to just move on and just come back when something is announced. I'm sure they are getting an enormous kick out of having us on baited breath for a stupid phone. This is just ridiculous..

its the reply for my tweet, where the dislike button on twitter for #mango is ;)

misterc

2011-05-25, 22:23

[...].. .

[...]
we all will keep that a secret!

the best kept secret is the one hidden in plain sight, right?
how about the teaser video device?

Jo Harlow confirms "Meego device coming soon":
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2385899,00.asp

«It'll be more of a high-end device that certainly will attract the early-adopter geek.»
=> keyboard (?)

Brock

2011-05-25, 22:25

the best kept secret is the one hidden in plain sight, right?
how about the teaser video device?

«It'll be more of a high-end device that certainly will attract the early-adopter geek.»
=> keyboard (?)

man, you still hope for your wish (hwkb)device... but its ok, everybody hopes that the device will fit his needs ;)

tissot

2011-05-25, 22:30

«It'll be more of a high-end device that certainly will attract the early-adopter geek.»
=> keyboard (?)

Can mean anything. Example saying it in a nice way that strong support isn't there and is heavily community orientated. Meant for linux nerds, early adopters.
In other words N900, second edition.

Again i don't mind, if they could just announce it already!

somedude

2011-05-25, 22:32

This is not the n900. The port is in the wrong place, the screen is too slim, the shape of the edge is like an n8.

that looks awfully similar to E7

misterc

2011-05-25, 22:32

man, you still hope for your wish (hwkb)device... but its ok, everybody hopes that the device will fit his needs ;)

not quite;
whenever i see a (reminiscence of a) fact that hints in that direction, i point it out..
stop providing the hints, i'll stop pointing them out :p

IsaacDFP

2011-05-25, 22:37

...Oh well. Not bitter. Not angry. Nor anything other than just happy with what I have that still works, enjoyed my N900 while it still had a microUSB that was intact...

From usually negative comments, I strongly agree with what you wrote this time, specially what I had quoted. No matter what device comes out, it will never fit our technological needs (talking about the people in here). Tell me you wouldn't be happy with a dual-core 1.5ghz, 1.5GB ram, 128gb storage. And don't tell that technology doesn't exist, we already have mobile 2ghz quad-cores, but the demand for it doesn't exist yet.

I for one, would like to procure myself the dev device asap to replace my (usb-less) N900 until the real consumer device comes out. No matter what the specs or the price is, I just don't see anything better until Intel starts making tabletphones in 2012.

volt

2011-05-25, 22:41

is it SO hard to wait till june?

You do realize how many anti-open business decisions selop can do before June? It's a race!

volt

2011-05-25, 22:46

from twitter:
forumnokia (Forum Nokia Team)

here's the deal: we will announce a MeeGo-based device this year and will make that announcement at the appropriate time. Thanks.

Even when they aren't saying anything, some will hear something. *twitch*

misterc

2011-05-25, 22:56

You do realize how many anti-open business decisions selop can do before June? It's a race!

i said it before, probably not taken very seriously, but at the risk of being flamed for flooding the thread, i'll say it again...

Elop is working @ NOKIA now and even though his m$ past is obviously looming all over the place, there is the possibility that he got "lured" @ NOKIA in order to facilitate the cooperation w/ m$.

NOKIA got him, they knew what they were getting.
and Elop may be the C Exe O, he isn't a monarch who can do whatever he wants.
and ppl like Green are still present to guarantee some integrity.

maybe the only reason we still have to wait is because Maemo / MeeGo maybe ready for a DE for the N900, but not yet for a consumer experience?

EIPI

2011-05-25, 22:58

jakiman

2011-05-25, 23:10

You know, the developer device probably won't ship with Harmattan. Why would you show off the new OS on 'old sub-standard h/w'? Me thinks it will have MeeGo 1.2 or N900DE (h/w are *similar*), at least until the consumer device ships. Just saying.

I doubt it. The teaser video clearly showed the so-called Dev device with a hw kbd and you could easily see that the UI/UX is 10000 miles ahead of MeeGo 1.2 DE on N900. Also, the dev device might not have been publicly "seen" if that teaser vid wasn't leaked. So it's a device which no one should really know/care about according to Nokia.

tissot

2011-05-25, 23:12

You know, the developer device probably won't ship with Harmattan. Why would you show off the new OS on 'old sub-standard h/w'? Me thinks it will have MeeGo 1.2 or N900DE (h/w are *similar*), at least until the consumer device ships. Just saying.

Well as "old hw" in this context is only related to the SOC i still believe both will ship with A8 single core proc. Like our insider guessed several pages ago.

volt

2011-05-25, 23:14

Elop is working @ NOKIA now

He's working at Nokia, I am not sure the stockholders feel he is working for them: he's been working there for a few months now, but his biggest impact was what we saw February 8th and 11th;
http://www.google.com//finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1306365366319&chddm=31506&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NYSE:NOK&ntsp=0

I'm not saying that he has a hidden agenda. I just think he's a product of his background. His current agenda doesn't seem to be doing Nokia any favours. A couple of days after Feb. 11th, analysts revisited Nokias expectations and slashed a major percentage of their expected market share and income in 2011. Not because Symbian was failing - all the analysts already had that in their estimates. Because Nokia shunned their own platform, scaring every parts of the marketing chain, including both the consumers and a fair share of their employees, from investing in Nokia stock (products).

Nokia management made sure Nokia would sell a whole manureload of less Symbian devices in 2011. Before Nokia had an alternative ready.

Look at the sales (in million units) for mid 2010:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/images/news/1nokia-chart.png
They had all the media/tech bloggers against themselves, but clearly they were still selling phones!

What we're seeing now is that Nokia will lose marketshare faster in 1st and 2nd quarter 2011 than they ever did because of IOS and Android. BTW, it also made their employees leave their offices in protest - how's that for company morale? If that was the plan, then it's a pretty expensive plan.

Edit: Btw, my numbers are based on old numbers, so here's 2011 compared to 2010. Notice Symbian and Microsoft numbers (in units sold). That Android is rocketing is kinda beside the point when you're selling units, not percentages.

http://cdn.pocketnow.com/html/portal/news/0000016745//graph.jpg

misterc

2011-05-25, 23:17

I doubt it. The teaser video clearly showed the so-called Dev device with a hw kbd and you could easily see that the UI/UX is 10000 miles ahead of MeeGo 1.2 DE on N900. Also, the dev device might not have been publicly "seen" if that teaser vid wasn't leaked. So it's a device which no one should really know/care about according to Nokia.

like i pointed out before, hidden in plain view...
they left that darn video online for three days and knew there were going to be tons of pirated copies available once it was taken down
(would have been the case even after 3 minutes, but...)

so, all we have is... rumours.
why is it so difficult to consider the possibility that the dev in the video could be the actual and only NOKIA MeeGo device we'll get this year?

misterc

2011-05-25, 23:29

He's working at Nokia, I am not sure the stockholders feel he is working for them: he's been working there for a few months now, but his biggest impact was what we saw February 8th and 11th;
http://www.google.com//finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1306365366319&chddm=31506&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NYSE:NOK&ntsp=0

I'm not saying that he has a hidden agenda. I just think he's a product of his background. His current agenda doesn't seem to be doing Nokia any favours. A couple of days after Feb. 11th, analysts revisited Nokias expectations and slashed a major percentage of their expected market share and income in 2011. Not because Symbian was failing - all the analysts already had that in their estimates. Because Nokia shunned their own platform, scaring every parts of the marketing chain, including the consumers, from investing in Nokia stock (products).

Nokia management made sure Nokia would sell a whole manureload of less Symbian devices in 2011. Before Nokia had an alternative ready.

What we're seeing is that Nokia will lose marketshare faster in 1st and 2nd quarter 2011 than they ever did because of IOS and Android. If that was the plan, then it's a pretty expensive plan.

true, he is product of his background
when he made that announcement, he was sure the shares would rocket.
well Apollo 1, Challenger and Columbia are a painful reminder that rocket science isn't routine yet.

did the announcement of the cooperation came to early
yes, of course
could NOKIA have waited any longer?
probably not
so it was a gamble, between the likely damage of reputation & sales & market share and waiting too long to the extend that Symbian would completely lose ground & NOKIA collapse before an alternative was available.
which is the worst?

which of the two alternatives could be expected to be ready in time? MeeGo or LostDOS Paralysed se7en.xxx ?

volt

2011-05-25, 23:33

Nokia already DID collapse. We've just not seen the aftermatch of it.

misterc

2011-05-25, 23:38

Nokia already DID collapse. We've just not seen the aftermatch of it.

i think there still is some life left.
otherwise we wouldn't be here, would we?

and even though we (nearly) all despise the perspective, wp7 is likely to be a winner and hopefully Symbian will still sell enough until it is.
and MeeGo seems to be here to stay, doesn't it?
if not w/ NOKIA, then w/ LGe or SAMSUNG :eek:

nwerneck

2011-05-25, 23:55

It's really very hard to keep waiting for official announcements. But for now, I'll play along with this charade. That doesn't seem to be a reason to change.

volt

2011-05-25, 23:57

This is not talk.nokia.com, it's a Maemo site. And I have two Maemo products, one completely working but the N900 lacking wifi and bluetooth. Because of this I had to buy an inferior Android telephone, and I would like it if there was a more desktop feature like cell phone OS than Android. Edit: oh, and I've had a Windows phone - WM6 - already. There was no functionality updates through the entire lifecycle. I wasn't happy then, and I will not be the next time after I've been spoiled with Maemo.

I see the analysts think WP7 is going to be the next big thing, but I do not see why. Windows Phones apparently sold LESS in 2011Q1 than 2010Q1. Is really the Nokia deal going to push Microsoft from 3.5m/q to 15m/q? When neither Microsoft nor Nokia so far have managed to get a single model popular in Seattle or the rest of Northern America? Analysts say yes. I'm just glad Microsoft fixed copy & paste.

I am here because I really think maemo (and thus meego) makes a difference in principle. I would like to see that principle turn into products, and I can't see jack if I'm not here.

jakiman

2011-05-26, 01:13

I see the analysts think WP7 is going to be the next big thing, but I do not see why. Windows Phones apparently sold LESS in 2011Q1 than 2010Q1.

Not sure if you've used WP7 phone yet or not, but I have and the UI and the experience it gives to the everyday joe's is much better than Maemo5/Symbian^3 imo. That's quite a feat for something so new in terms of UI. It is silky smooth and is very pretty. What many non-geeks really like. Heck, even I was impressed how "nice" everything looked and felt. Of course, it's quite limited for me and many others here however. =P

But the new Mango update will make WP7 very competant and in many ways, better than iOS/Android. It also feels more complete than Android due to its simplicity and common look. Android has so many features but feels quite inconsistent in many areas imo.

I reckon it has a good chance to be a major mobile OS.

gerbick

2011-05-26, 02:33

from twitter:
forumnokia (Forum Nokia Team)

here's the deal: we will announce a MeeGo-based device this year and will make that announcement at the appropriate time. Thanks.

And I thought Steve Jobs was a total jackass when he said "You're holding it wrong."

It'll get announced, but who's going to care if it isn't at a level that makes even the casual user go "HOLY DAMN!" - which I'm starting to doubt will happen.

Frappacino

2011-05-26, 02:38

It's sad that the buyers of a product are more enthusiastic then the seller of a product.

I swear, alot of posters in this thread are masochists

And I thought Steve Jobs was a total jackass when he said "You're holding it wrong."

It'll get announced, but who's going to care if it isn't at a level that makes even the casual user go "HOLY DAMN!" - which I'm starting to doubt will happen.

ARJWright

2011-05-26, 03:10

zeh tweeted these two links a few seconds ago ;)

http://img.ly/4pRY
http://img.ly/4pSk

asking which device it is... could be the dev device!? ;)

Compare those to this:
http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277343

And do we get a winner, or reason to wine :)

By the way, the second img.ly link for me doesn't show.

zehjotkah

2011-05-26, 05:33

I deleted the second photo, because it was very similar to the first one.
And it was already mentioned that the device was an E7. We just made that pic because we were bored st the conference.

Metsämies

2011-05-26, 05:41

If you want hardware keyboard version, please contact nokia (for example contactcentre.europe@nokia.com) and wish it. Otherwise stupid american chiefs make decisions to sell "lankku" version only.

zb88

2011-05-26, 06:01

misterc

2011-05-26, 06:38

I deleted the second photo, because it was very similar to the first one.
And it was already mentioned that the device was an E7. We just made that pic because we were bored st the conference.

((maybe you could delete the link & replace it w/ <<deleted>> or so?))

misterc

2011-05-26, 06:43

If you want hardware keyboard version, please contact nokia (for example contactcentre.europe@nokia.com) and wish it. Otherwise stupid american chiefs make decisions to sell "lankku" version only.

there is only one north-american on NOKIA's board, Stephan Elop:

(from http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/corporate-governance/board-of-directors )

Nokia Board of Directors consists of the following eleven members: Stephen Elop, Bengt Holmström, Henning Kagermann, Per Karlsson, Jouko Karvinen, Helge Lund, Isabel Marey-Semper, Jorma Ollila, Marjorie Scardino, Risto Siilasmaa and Kari Stadigh.

Chairman
Jorma Ollila

Vice Chairman
Dame Marjorie Scardino

* Stephen Elop
* Dr. Bengt Holmström
* Dr. Henning Kagermann
* Per Karlsson
* Jouko Karvinen
* Helge Lund
* Isabel Marey-Semper
* Risto Siilasmaa
* Kari Stadigh

The operations of the company are managed under the direction of the Board of Directors, within the framework set by the Finnish Companies Act and our Articles of Association as well as any complementary rules of procedure as defined by the Board, such as the Corporate Governance Guidelines and related Board Committee charters.

btw Elop isn't american, he is canadian; you may not know the difference, but they certainly care

misterc

2011-05-26, 07:11

And I thought Steve Jobs was a total jackass when he said "You're holding it wrong."

It'll get announced, but who's going to care if it isn't at a level that makes even the casual user go "HOLY DAMN!" - which I'm starting to doubt will happen.

had no idea what your 1st sentence was referring to :confused:
maybe others do his phone calls for him, so he hasn't a clue about that neither (like for any thing else :D )

about announcement...
if they announce it the same way as N900 (pun intended...) the fact that MeeGo is open source now and the community is wider then only NOKIA means that the device will be welcome by the community @ large.
plus, think how nuts every body is about the device when it isn't even there and we hardly know anything about it...

bhairav

2011-05-26, 07:29

is this how device is gonna get distributed ?
but this is a local team not a worldwide developer device handout program?!!!

http://meegonetwork.fi/

sincerly hope device is present in launchpad available globally to all those sincerely intrested

OVK

2011-05-26, 07:42

We just made that pic because we were bored st the conference.

This must have been the worst conference ever.

EvilSpeaks

2011-05-26, 07:57

zehjotkah : was your comment about a picture of the consumer device having been leaked onto the web previously also made because you were bored at the conference or was that one real???

zehjotkah

2011-05-26, 07:58

This must have been the worst conference ever.

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okay, it wasn't that bad at all. we had fun playing ping-pong, air-hockey, werewolf, drinking beer, playing wii, sitting around, coding and so on.
but it was certainly the worst keynote ever.

zehjotkah

2011-05-26, 08:00

ah, and to aument the chances to get a harmattan device, don't you think it would be a good idea to take part at the MeeGo Coding Competition: http://competition.meetmeego.org/ ?

marrat

2011-05-26, 08:03

ah, and to aument the chances to get a harmattan device, don't you think it would be a good idea to take part at the MeeGo Coding Competition: http://competition.meetmeego.org/ ?

You mean to get a Harmattan Developer device... a normal Harmattan device can buy everyone... :p

misterc

2011-05-26, 08:06

ah, and to aument the chances to get a harmattan device, don't you think it would be a good idea to take part at the MeeGo Coding Competition: http://competition.meetmeego.org/ ?

Developers of promising apps will probably receive a MeeGo device.

you forgot the probably, didn't you? :rolleyes:

LTman

2011-05-26, 08:16

yeah not mention althogh i want to learn qt right now anything beyond a bash script is beyond me

rash.m2k

2011-05-26, 08:26

So basically we've been screwed over by Nokia, nothing announced at Meego conference.

At least we know the FCC date thing is only 45 days. At this rate we'll see a Meego device once every 2 years.

bhairav

2011-05-26, 08:44

LOL...:D:D:D:D:D:D:):):):):)

Device not released and china already made a copy of it ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWdF0bswJUo&feature=related

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D;);););)

btw anyone know specs of front cam of n9 am betting it is 2mp

bubbbbbz

2011-05-26, 08:46

if china was in controlled we would have several meego devices by know with 2 more upgraded n900's

rash.m2k

2011-05-26, 08:52

vivmak

2011-05-26, 10:47

zymo

2011-05-26, 10:56

tissot

2011-05-26, 11:11

zehjotkah said that one picture of the consumer device leaked to the web some time ago, but was he just joking (like the pictures of the E7)?

would be nice if that device would really look like this one

Before anybody starts asking about that picture it's render made by one Nokia blog right after the MeeGo announcement.

sevla

2011-05-26, 12:27

ah, and to aument the chances to get a harmattan device, don't you think it would be a good idea to take part at the MeeGo Coding Competition: http://competition.meetmeego.org/ ?

When is the deadline?

vitaminj

2011-05-26, 12:54

When is the deadline?

http://wiki.maemo.org/MeeGo_Coding_Competition_2011#Competition_Timeline

Jedibeeftrix

2011-05-26, 13:36

Before anybody starts asking about that picture it's render made by one Nokia blog right after the MeeGo announcement.

haha, i created that render.

here is the updated version:
http://jedibeeftrix.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/jedibeeftrix_meego.png

joys of blender, it's how i roll. ;)

misterc

2011-05-26, 15:07

bhairav

2011-05-26, 15:25

Ze,

just came to realize that the competition doesn't add up anymore :(
to put it bluntly
"the winner(s) of the developing competition will receive a developer device"
that doesn't make any sense, does it?
the development job is already done by then

what would make sense is to give the winners the same device as will be sold & let them do grassroots advertisement (uploading videos, posting on forums, blogging & all)

:confused: :o

Nokia does not need to go that far if it is a device that all consumers would want to accept

for eg there are people who fear what if they like the n9 device and it ends up being cancelled

would nokia break their hearts ?
:(

Jedibeeftrix

2011-05-26, 15:29

Ze,

just came to realize that the competition doesn't add up anymore :(
to put it bluntly
"the winner(s) of the developing competition will receive a developer device"
that doesn't make any sense, does it?
the development job is already done by then

what would make sense is to give the winners the same device as will be sold & let them do grassroots advertisement (uploading videos, posting on forums, blogging & all)

:confused: :o
presumably nokia would like developers to keep developing for the harmattan/QT platform............>?

bhairav

2011-05-26, 15:35

Think this site shows meego home screen!!!
http://lovemynokia.com/video-nokia-n9-video-leaked-with-harmattan-ui-aka-maemo-6-or-meego/

ARJWright

2011-05-26, 16:04

Think this site shows meego home screen!!!
http://lovemynokia.com/video-nokia-n9-video-leaked-with-harmattan-ui-aka-maemo-6-or-meego/

That picture was taken from a presenation. And at the time it was stated that it was no indicative of any user interface designs by Nokia. It was simply "stock" to make a point about interfaces.

Creamy Goodness

2011-05-26, 16:27

presumably nokia would like developers to keep developing for the harmattan/QT platform............>?

Yeah I dunno. It's like you need a MeeGo developer device to enter the contest, your "winning" app probably won't work on harmattan without more changes, so if they give the harmattan device away, maybe the developer will fix it. Problem is, whoever they gave all the MeeGo developer devices to doesn't seem to be entering the contest...

gerbick

2011-05-26, 16:51

had no idea what your 1st sentence was referring to :confused:
maybe others do his phone calls for him, so he hasn't a clue about that neither

The "you're holding it wrong" (paraphrase) came directly from Steve Jobs before the official announcement about the iPhone 4's antenna issues.

Here's the reference (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/apple-responds-over-iphone-4-reception-issues-youre-holding-th/)...

volt

2011-05-26, 17:19

Nokia has abandoned Maemo and it does not believe that MeeGo is ready yet and Nokia Mango device has been announced (for developers only so far) .... this tells me that we should stop expecting anything open source from Nokia for end-users anytime sooner...... its been nice following this thread, see ya later.

Nokia goes Maemo
and Sony goes Mylo
then Intel goes MeeGo
Microsoft goes Mango
so Apple will go iMagino

...and the Apple iMagino will invent realtime multitasking and you'll need the new, magic iTunes version to sync the phone, so you'll have to buy the new service pack to OS/X for that.

nocain

2011-05-26, 17:52

Not sure if you've used WP7 phone yet or not, but I have and the UI and the experience it gives to the everyday joe's is much better than Maemo5/Symbian^3 imo. That's quite a feat for something so new in terms of UI. It is silky smooth and is very pretty. What many non-geeks really like. Heck, even I was impressed how "nice" everything looked and felt.

Well to be fair you are comparing a 2 year old OS with a 6 month OS( Comparing Maemo 5 to WP7, Symbian we all know sat in stasis for FAR too long ) Really one could say the same thing just in the same OS as My brothers Nexus S running Gingerbread has a far better UI and general Experience that far outshines his old G1 running either Cupcake or Donut.

As for WP7 I have played with 3 devices and found them all rather frustrating, counter intuitive, and lacking polish... Granted they may have all been the same device, I don't remember and my friends that had them are not phone people so they don't remember the manufacturer or model number. 2 of them got rid of theirs after less then a month out of frustration and grabbed Android Phones.

I will say this about WP7, yes the interface is smooth and has eyecandy, but I can't help but say it is all form and presentation and no function.

qwazix

2011-05-26, 18:12

Verythrax

2011-05-26, 18:34

I like wp7, it's not that bad UIwise, but I want red and green hardware buttons, it's so frustrating to have to wait for the proximity sensor to hang up, or to have to do 5 different clicks to call the last person...

Yeah, it's frustrating on anything different from Symbian. On Anfroid I need to do 4+ clicks (after unlocking the screen) to call the last person.

Not too smart for "smart"phones :/

babraq

2011-05-26, 19:29

Hi there!

I've been following this thread from the begining and now I'm really really eager to see Harmattan device from Nokia folks.

Some of the rumors which have been posted here are really too much. For example 720p screen. I thought it would be nice to have such screen, but I never believed that it would come true. Even when ZEHJOTKAH confirmed it. If that info is not from Nokia itself I would not believe anything.

So here I am and I confirming that the device(s) coming from Nokia will be HD ready, i.e. minimum 720p.

Source: PDF file in this bugreport (http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15381)

tissot

2011-05-26, 19:37

Some of the rumors which have been posted here are really too much. For example 720p screen. I thought it would be nice to have such screen, but I never believed that it would come true. Even when ZEHJOTKAH confirmed it. If that info is not from Nokia itself I would not believe anything

Our "insiders" already said that the 720p screen was most probably wrong.
I don't see anything on the PDF that's revealing anything. If you are seeing something on it you can also try to google some features, mailing lists of RM-680 and you can get any spec you ever want to see inside it. :D

mikecomputing

2011-05-26, 19:44

found in libofono/gisi (modem driver for n900 and maybe future Harmattan):

"gisi: Add new PhoNet device ID for STE
author Aki Niemi <aki.niemi@nokia.com>
Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:51:53 +0000 (14:51 +0200)
committer Aki Niemi <aki.niemi@nokia.com>
Mon, 7 Feb 2011 07:51:35 +0000 (09:51 +0200)"

http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b3a43a17cd3c382c7e9246e8 f9418a6e07ab572

Maybe new SoC is STEricsson as rumored before ;)

Brock

2011-05-26, 19:47

Our "insiders" already said that the 720p screen was most probably wrong.
I don't see anything on the PDF that's revealing anything. If you are seeing something on it you can also try to google some features, mailing lists of RM-680 and you can get any spec you ever want to see inside it. :D

he is referring to the pdf file. there you can see on page 2:

n900: 800x480
n97,5800,n8: 360x640
other: hd-ready

sounds good to me :D

EDIT: pdf file is from 14.12.10, so everythin could changed... we still have to wait and see, what we will get finally.

tissot

2011-05-26, 20:15

sounds good to me :D

I have read lots and lots of good things with more credibility than that little bit of text about upcoming devices just to be disappointed.
That said i enjoy these rumors so keep em coming as far as i'm concerned.

And welcome babraq to maemo talk. ;)

IsaacDFP

2011-05-26, 20:26

All I want is a device that is capable of reading a 720p mkv file as well as output it 720p also... Why is that so hard to ask?! :(

Faustino

2011-05-26, 20:30

What have i missed over last day or so? :P

actually read over some of the pages.. it seems Nokia have thrown the rattle from the pram and won't make any announcement until later in the year?

Nokia should learn to strike while there's a buzz about their products.. alas i'll probably end up getting a Windows phone whenever it's out... it seems to have more going for it......

tissot

2011-05-26, 20:34

actually read over some of the pages.. it seems Nokia have thrown the rattle from the pram and won't make any announcement until later in the year?

Why so?
Them not announcing it in CF doesn't mean much as we still got the FCC filling and Nokia's official blog hinting (http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=1024) for the announcement in coming weeks.

Aonsaithya

2011-05-26, 20:34

I like wp7, it's not that bad UIwise, but I want red and green hardware buttons, it's so frustrating to have to wait for the proximity sensor to hang up, or to have to do 5 different clicks to call the last person...

I don't know much about WP7 UI, but take a look at the multi-tasking view on WP7 Mango:
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/wpmangomoniajo.jpg
Ooh god.
Horizontal scrolling on a portrait display? Only one application (+ the borders of two others) visible at a time? What if you have 7 apps open (fanboys will claim that they only use 3, obviously)? I'm quite sure I'd go insane using that.

Then again, I've been spoiled by Maemo...
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/567/screenshot2011052623132.png

slender

2011-05-26, 20:37

All I want is a device that is capable of reading a 720p mkv file as well as output it 720p also... Why is that so hard to ask?! :(

Because most of people do not know or care what 720p means or what mkv is.Only people who care are us and some gadget blogs which are constantly drooling over meaningless specs that do not mean jack to majority of people with piles of money.

ro25anav

2011-05-26, 20:45

All I want is a device that is capable of reading a 720p mkv file as well as output it 720p also... Why is that so hard to ask?! :(

Nokia E7 has the ability to do it.
I have done it already!
Output via mini HDMI 1.3 in 720p AND 5.1 Dolby Digital Plus.
As far as I know, only Nokia E7 and N8 can do this with 5.1 DD Plus.

on page 76 - 77
http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_E7-00_UG_de.pdf

tissot

2011-05-26, 20:54

Because most of people do not know or care what 720p means or what mkv is.Only people who care are us and some gadget blogs which are constantly drooling over meaningless specs that do not mean jack to majority of people with piles of money.

That's certainly true but i'm sure that people appreciate that you can just throw videos to your device and play them.
Either the Samsung way where they pretty much support any video codec there is (GS was amazing at this and so seams to be SGS2 with exynos) or the Apple way where you can't get anything in to your device without itunes and so itunes does it all for you.

qwazix

2011-05-26, 21:02

Yeah, it's frustrating on anything different from Symbian. On Anfroid I need to do 4+ clicks (after unlocking the screen) to call the last person.

Not too smart for "smart"phones :/

symbian and all dumbphones in the world (except some se crap - it's amazing because they're the ones who had yes and no almost as trademark)

Why did they all abandon it? And as the 3button config on wp7 is so near the symbian one (especially omnia hd -> optimus7) I always end up pressing search to hangup and long clicking the home button.

IsaacDFP

2011-05-26, 21:04

Nokia E7 has the ability to do it.
I have done it already!
Output via mini HDMI 1.3 in 720p AND 5.1 Dolby Digital Plus.
As far as I know, only Nokia E7 and N8 can do this with 5.1 DD Plus.

on page 76 - 77
http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_E7-00_UG_de.pdf

I don't understand that language at all! But I do find it VERY sexy, specially the following words from page 77:
Maximal, 1280x720(720p), 4 GB, MKV-Video :D lol
I wasn't aware Symbian could play those files out of the box...good to know

qwazix

2011-05-26, 21:16

I don't know much about WP7 UI, but take a look at the multi-tasking view on WP7 Mango:
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/wpmangomoniajo.jpg
Ooh god.
Horizontal scrolling on a portrait display? Only one application (+ the borders of two others) visible at a time? What if you have 7 apps open (fanboys will claim that they only use 3, obviously)? I'm quite sure I'd go insane using that.

portrait meego handset
http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/switcher_carousel.png

and landscape

http://www.globalreviewchannel.com/attachments/Resources/2604-292253-113316_phone.jpg

quipper8

2011-05-26, 21:19

I don't understand that language at all! But I do find it VERY sexy, specially the following words from page 77:
Maximal, 1280x720(720p), 4 GB, MKV-Video :D lol
I wasn't aware Symbian could play those files out of the box...good to know

E7 and N8 have a very nice GPU

BCM2727 (http://www.broadcom.com/products/Mobile-Multimedia/Mobile-Multimedia-Processors/BCM2727)

I even edit video and tune 12MP pics on the n8 with ease

babraq

2011-05-26, 21:23

@qwazix, you are wrong. Both UIs you have shown are stock MeeGo.

But switching apps on N9/50 looks very similiar on the teaser.

pelago

2011-05-26, 21:23

nokia ux
http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/switcher_carousel.png

and

stock meego
http://www.globalreviewchannel.com/attachments/Resources/2604-292253-113316_phone.jpg

it is like this on portrait too but I can't find a screenshot
Actually all three of those pics are stock MeeGo Handset UX, just with different themes.

ro25anav

2011-05-26, 21:27

E7 and N8 have a very nice GPU

BCM2727 (http://www.broadcom.com/products/Mobile-Multimedia/Mobile-Multimedia-Processors/BCM2727)

I even edit video and tune 12MP pics on the n8 with ease

I found a little Bench N8 vs IPhone3GS Ipad etc.
It is really surpsising how powerfull N8 / E7 gpu is.

But the U8500 of our N9 will beat this for sure.

http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php/topic,24148.0.html

Helmuth

2011-05-26, 21:36

nokia ux
http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/switcher_carousel.png

But the Microsoft marketing will call it a revolution and a brand new design idea. A strong improvement and everybody, expect us, will belive and praise it... :mad:

LTman

2011-05-26, 21:47

does ms have the power to kill meego (not just on nokia but every where ) then take the ui design and what they need from the code then scratch the rest then call the new winmo revolution and make sure nobody remembers that meego existed and looked like that via some steven jobs/apple like brainwashing???hmmm....

qwazix

2011-05-26, 21:48

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/images/ii1-6.jpg
http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1159/e78ad2f17c72432bb32536e4a35b0d4c.jpg

omnia hd

jakiman

2011-05-26, 21:53

All I want is a device that is capable of reading a 720p mkv file as well as output it 720p also... Why is that so hard to ask?! :(

Umm. Then get the Samsung Galaxy S2 and forget about any other phones. It is the ONLY phone that can play up to 1080p high profile h264 MKV files with ease with all the features you would want from a video player. You'll be able to get a MHL HDMI adapter soon for it as well to output 1080p.

S^3 phones such as N8/E7 can play "some" 720p mkv files you find on the internets. But it is a bit more fussy. Also, the stock media player just sucks. No resuming either! So everytime you stop it, it starts from beginning again. No seeking in set intervals, no screen locking etc. It's too basic for a video player on the go imo.

Other than not being able to play HD videos, N900 is way better still than N8/E7 as a video player on the go. (I use mplayer + sib combo)

qwazix

2011-05-26, 21:57

@babraq, pelago: corrected

aironeous

2011-05-26, 22:10

there is only one north-american on NOKIA's board, Stephan Elop:

(from http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/corporate-governance/board-of-directors
btw Elop isn't american, he is canadian; you may not know the difference, but they certainly care

There should be a virus named after him, I'm surprised there is not one already.

The Wizard of Huz

2011-05-26, 22:13

portrait meego handset
http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/switcher_carousel.png

and landscape

http://www.globalreviewchannel.com/attachments/Resources/2604-292253-113316_phone.jpg

You know what's funny? Most blogs/websites who do not know Maemo see this as the ultimate form of multitasking. This type of multitasking is used in Web OS and is hailed as the best multitasking OS.

And it is rumored that the new iOS 5 will get Maemo type multitasking.
Such a marketing fail from Nokia. They can not market their advantages properly.

quipper8

2011-05-26, 23:03

Umm. Then get the Samsung Galaxy S2 and forget about any other phones. It is the ONLY phone that can play up to 1080p high profile h264 MKV files with ease with all the features you would want from a video player. You'll be able to get a MHL HDMI adapter soon for it as well to output 1080p.

S^3 phones such as N8/E7 can play "some" 720p mkv files you find on the internets. But it is a bit more fussy. Also, the stock media player just sucks. No resuming either! So everytime you stop it, it starts from beginning again. No seeking in set intervals, no screen locking etc. It's too basic for a video player on the go imo.

Other than not being able to play HD videos, N900 is way better still than N8/E7 as a video player on the go. (I use mplayer + sib combo)

well, you can stop it and go do something else and come back to it, aka multitasking...

and the nokia big screen app is very fun, automatically pairing with whatever wiimote happens to be around with a simplified media player interface via hdmi out

I have both and video playback for me on the n8 is much smoother that n900

and yeah, I guess I could go and buy a new TV too that supports MHL, but HDMI is here and now

Brock

2011-05-26, 23:47

portrait meego handset
http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/switcher_carousel.png

and landscape

http://www.globalreviewchannel.com/attachments/Resources/2604-292253-113316_phone.jpg

first time i saw these screenshots (long time ago) first in mind was: way too android style... am i the only thinking this?
i am happy about nokia making more out of the ui and not only a nokia theme ;). i love the task manager of maemo and the "next sense" ui shown in the latest teaser looks amazing too :)

Brock

2011-05-27, 00:28

time for my actual spec-sheet :D
[remember, these are my (little realistic) hopes/wishes for my next device, so dont shoot me if i get wrong ;)]

Name: N950 (Dev-Device)
Release: Coming this or next week
Body: Alu-Body
Thickness: 13-14mm
Display: 4" 854x480 or 960x540
CPU: 1-1,2Ghz Cortex A8 SingleCore
GPU: SGX530
Storage: 32GB or 64GB (+SD-Card)
Cam: 12MP AF (same as N8) with Dual LED-Flash
Input: touch (capazitiv), qwerty
Misc: 720p mkv Playback and Output (HDMI-Out)

N9 (Consumer-Device)
Release: Q3/2011
Availability: everywhere
Body: Alu (or polycarbonate) Body
Thickness: <= 10mm
Display: 4" 960x540 (still hope for 1280*720p!)
CPU: 1,2Ghz Cortex A9 Dualcore (ST-Ericsson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400
Storage: 32GB or 64GB (+SD-Card)
Cam: 12MP AF (maybe only 8MP)
Input: touch only
Misc: 1080p mkv Playback and Output (HDMI-Out)

All we have found out about the software so far:

Meego OS (Harmattan)
Nokia "Next Sense" UI

http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=20420&stc=1&d=1306585805
(at this moment the guy has not touched the screen yet, he will do it in the next second)

Do you mean this?

http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=20418&stc=1&d=1306585769
http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=20419&stc=1&d=1306585792

Is this related to the way the ui is working with the open apps or how do you mean this?

Yes

representing ui method. lol
THX@K123

As i get it it's just that the UI works like one big roller. Swiping around the apps you where last in.
Swipe left to open last app in, swipe right to open multitasking window?

misterc

2011-05-27, 03:52

The "you're holding it wrong" (paraphrase) came directly from Steve Jobs before the official announcement about the iPhone 4's antenna issues.

Here's the reference (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/apple-responds-over-iphone-4-reception-issues-youre-holding-th/)...

is there ANY way to hold an iP properly ? ;):D

sevla

2011-05-27, 04:54

first time i saw these screenshots (long time ago) first in mind was: way too android style... am i the only thinking this?
i am happy about nokia making more out of the ui and not only a nokia theme ;). i love the task manager of maemo and the "next sense" ui shown in the latest teaser looks amazing too :)

How does this look like android? Android doesn't even have a decent task switcher. If your talking about iconography then all that is customizable in which case you can use a theme that makes the environment look like whatever you want.

I never understand these "It looks like Android" comments.. I just don't see it at all.

misterc

2011-05-27, 04:56

There should be a virus named after him, I'm surprised there is not one already.

<< updated / deleted >>
apologizes about that :confused:
guess i'm tired of quick posts not flying much higher then a Google search result listing...
maybe that's what the Internet has come down to?
headlines...
do we need 720p for THAT >?-)

qwazix

2011-05-27, 05:17

it's right here staring at you >:-)
and it isn't a virus;
at worst a DoS or a decompression bomb

click on my handle
> View Public Profile
> User list under the handle
> Add to ignore list

it's thanks to ppl like you that the world is the shitty place it is.
(can' t do anything but ranting and complaining, can you?)
and we'll get keyboard-less MeeGo devices.
if that should be the NOKIA device of 2011 it will be that last we'll see from them :mad:

I think he was talking about elop but anyway cool down.

Kozzi

2011-05-27, 05:33

Any idea if harmanttan will support DLNA, SMB and fremanttle applications ?

Oh and Nokia roadmap
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/05/symbiandeath-20110526.jpg

onethreealpha

2011-05-27, 06:05

is there ANY way to hold an iP properly ? ;):D

behind your back so no one will know what poor fashion victim you are?

LTman

2011-05-27, 06:10

okay what has/hasnt happened @ meego conference

misterc

2011-05-27, 06:24

behind your back so no one will know what poor fashion victim you are?

why waste (even a left) hand for THAT.
i threw the one i got for free (as a fidelity present...) in a drawer after less then a week & went back to my trustworthy N95
can operate it without problem with one hand (which isn't the case of the iP, is it? :D )

prankster

2011-05-27, 07:24

why even there is any need of N9 ? N900 does that all ..
you dont get what you expect ,not all times ,better be with N900
or may go for N9 only when it is gonna be in market ..before that why not just get rid of all hoax?
except flashplayer update issue ))

volt

2011-05-27, 07:25

is there ANY way to hold an iP properly ? ;):D

Yes. Like this: http://kevinrestivo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/underwater-woman-with-cell-phone.jpg

Donbabbeo

2011-05-27, 07:26

portrait meego handset
http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/switcher_carousel.png

and landscape

http://www.globalreviewchannel.com/attachments/Resources/2604-292253-113316_phone.jpg

Just for the record, quoting Meego.com here (https://meego.com/developers/ui-design-guidelines/handset/meego-basics):

Users can use a pinch multi-touch motion to change the switcher into an overview mode. By pinching in, thumbnails move into a grid display. The grid can scale up to a 3x3 version, thereafter the switcher then starts to create new pages. Pinching out, while in the grid mode, changes the view back to larger stacked mode.

misterc

2011-05-27, 07:54

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/152361/20110526/meego-nokia-smartphone.htm

Harlow has denied any truth behind the rumors. Harlow added that the MeeGo device will be a high-end smartphone aimed for the early-adopter tech geek

question to the "early-adopter tech geeks":
would you get a MeeGo device without hardware keyboard?

misterc

2011-05-27, 07:54

Ter MeeGo Tor 2011...

Xmas season 2011
it had been a long year starting with social upheaval in the middle-east and northern Africa which would eventually uproot the western civilization...

on the environmental front, the social unrest was rivaled by calamities of increasing magnitude (flooding, earth-quakes and tsunami's) weakening the civilized countries even more and apparently quickening their downfall...

on the technology front, the retirement of the space shuttle created a hole in space exploration as its successors (Zenit-3F, Vega, Taurus II or Simorgh) weren't ready for the challenge yet; similarly, on the personal entertainment and information front, Symbian, the renowned smartphone operating system was shelved by NOKIA even though the company didn't have a replacement ready yet...

LA suburb, a small phone shop, lunch time
a tall woman, late twenties, blond mid-long hair, blue eyes under a high forehead stepped decisively into the shop;
the owner, a middle-aged man standing behind the counter looked expectantly at her, hoping for a good sales considering her styled clothing and accessories. then he frowned seeing another customer entering, a tall broad shouldered man wearing black sunglasses and leather jacket; where the **** was John? he should have been back from his lunch by now! that kid didn't know the meaning of punctuality...
the woman stepped directly to the counter and said:
"i'm looking for a Christmas present for my husband... there are all those shiny new smart phones, just the display and no buttons"
"yes, certainly madam. we have the iPhone 5 that came out recently; 1 GB of memory and a dual-core processor!"
"no no, he hates iPhone; in fact he is a NOKIA fan."
"that's a pity madam; NOKIA announced a number of new Windows smart phones a few weeks ago but unfortunately they won't be available this year anymore..."
"yes, i know, but i think he would prefer something similar to the N900; he always calls it his pocket computer..."
"well, there would be the E7; it has a very nice keyboard too..."
"no no, that's Symbian; it's something else, more computer like..."
"oh, maybe an ANDroid device?"
"no, that's not from NOKIA, is it?"
the 2nd customer who had stationed himself somewhat behind the lady said
"the meego phone?"
with a touch of impatience in his cavernous voice
"yes yes, exactly, that's the one!"
"oh, i'm sorry madam, but we don't keep that phone on stock; nor does our supplier in fact. the back order can last up to three weeks;
- it was very demanded a couple months ago when it came out, but already now newer phones offer comparable or even better features;
- and it is uncertain how long NOKIA is going to support the platform..."
the tall man turned abruptly on his heels and walked towards the door
"i'll be with you in a second sir..."
the man barely turned his head while uttering
"i'll be back..."

or not

morbid

2011-05-27, 08:07

OK, guys I've also found this from 2 days ago:
https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/816542/

mach-ux500: platform data for ST-E HSI controller

A lil bit late for making a summer release and having protos around?

PS There's a cc for somebody @nokia on that bug.

What's also interesting, is the devs at nokia are still actively submitting kernel patches for the N900/RX51 (as recent as 7 days ago).

http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;pg=7

and the only rm680 submittal...
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=544e12928f61d7103d2af270f241af0 965a486fb

and last edit... lots of submittals for ux500 / u8500. On the patchwork site, lots of nokia addresses associated with them too.

lardman

2011-05-27, 08:15

What's also interesting, is the devs at nokia are still actively submitting kernel patches for the N900/RX51 (as recent as 7 days ago).

There are Nokians actively employed doing HW adaptation for the N900DE Meego port, which explains this I'd think.

Daneel

2011-05-27, 08:23

I don't know about the rest but i am not the "early-adopter tech geek" she talks about.
This geeks needs a hardware keyboard.

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/152361/20110526/meego-nokia-smartphone.htm

question to the "early-adopter tech geeks":
would you get a MeeGgo device without hardware keyboard?

bhairav

2011-05-27, 08:27

Everybody posted the optimal h/w s/w config for meego
now brace yourseleves cause this might be all that we are getting if all else fails?!!!

Now presenting the barebones n9 config ver

1)screen res 848*480 cbd
2)camera 12mp with autofocus dual led
3)NFC h/w present but no software development support yet
4)Fm tuner present trnasmitter may be present but no s/w support yet
5)No Proximity sensor based sensing technology
6)1 speaker and 1 mic
7)hdmi but that may be wirelessly suported
8)No support of google services on s/w front its trial platform wont have anything working like google maps or so
9)Barebones office support as well as no preinstalled apps
(1-2 games may be present to let user experiance h/w)
10)1 ghz cpu with 512 mb ram
11)gpu will be from n8 or e7 model
12)no led notification light
13)may come with latest bluetooth headset from nokia for developers
14)No maemo 5 app compatibility
15)Bare-bones qt app functionality
16)no compcache

This is just that we can expect at least this much from nokia to support or have with n9

:):):):p:p
hope config is at least a little above this !!!

aironeous

2011-05-27, 08:37

How does this look like android? Android doesn't even have a decent task switcher. If your talking about iconography then all that is customizable in which case you can use a theme that makes the environment look like whatever you want.

I never understand these "It looks like Android" comments.. I just don't see it at all.
Not only that android leaves apps open constantly. The only good thing about it is there is a lot of devs making custom kernels and roms.
Cyanogen nightliesfor the second fastest dual core android on the market right now (which is what I have) are available here

http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1117

retsaw

2011-05-27, 08:43

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/152361/20110526/meego-nokia-smartphone.htm

question to the "early-adopter tech geeks":
would you get a MeeGo device without hardware keyboard?
That article is lousy, it doesn't say which rumours she was denying. There are plenty of rumours going around that one of them must come close to the mark. So is she denying the rumour that it will have a keyboard or the rumour that it won't or maybe she is denying both with the implication that there will be more than one device contrary to previous official statements.

Alee

2011-05-27, 09:09

The keyboard version is A8 single core -- that's why it was canned coz of low processor, moreover it was being produced when it got canned as it was to be released before the kbless version.
and the candybar/kbless version became the consumer device as it was still on the drawing board or the labs so they updated its hardware to make it high powered super specced device for mass market.

now the 92k (as per russian worm) produced are stockpiled which will be given to devs, and the other updated one is which we gona buy.
take it or leave it, thats the story and we the puppets.

morbid

2011-05-27, 09:33

Even if the n9 has a low powered cpu (by todays standards), I still think it would be a very welcome upgrade from my n900. Much more mhz without having to overclock, an extra 4th row on the keyboard, etc... I'd love to have that right now!

Tigerite

2011-05-27, 09:53

What's also interesting, is the devs at nokia are still actively submitting kernel patches for the N900/RX51 (as recent as 7 days ago).

http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;pg=7

Sorry, but that's incorrect. The date of those commits was 7 days and 1 YEAR ago..

Jarkgo

2011-05-27, 09:56

..this might be all that we are getting...
The prototype looks like it could be rugged, and perhaps somewhat water tight, like the Motorola DEFY. The keyboard looks like its rubber, so it could be water tight.
No that would be something, rugged MeeGo phone with keyboard!:rolleyes:
I seriously want that! Who cares about support..

mikecomputing

2011-05-27, 10:54

What's also interesting, is the devs at nokia are still actively submitting kernel patches for the N900/RX51 (as recent as 7 days ago).

Ofcourse they do, ever heard of Meego N900DE!? Thats why...

http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900

Tigerite

2011-05-27, 10:56

As I previously posted, the commits were from 7 days ago and one year..

strongm

2011-05-27, 10:57

well, you can stop it and go do something else and come back to it, aka multitasking...

That's not really multitasking

mikecomputing

2011-05-27, 11:00

As I previously posted, the commits were from 7 days ago and one year..

wops :)

but still they contribute for n900 now on Meego BMC/phonet ( closed drivers) and some open components like libofono.

bhairav

2011-05-27, 12:21

Think this post confirms device processor is an arm chip as well as some other things !!!

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1650925/nokia-meego-device-arm-chip

zymo

2011-05-27, 13:02

and every time the same statement from Nokia: „ bla bla ...... first MeeGo device LATER THIS YEAR!“. Why not just say if it’s Q3 or Q4 2011?

Jedibeeftrix

2011-05-27, 13:20

i'm wondering if they are depending on the release of QT 4.8 before they can release the consumer harmattan device?

xerxes2

2011-05-27, 13:37

NvyUs

2011-05-27, 13:42

Ok, here's what I think Nokia should do: Release the developer device today and sell it only from their webshop possibly empty and let people install what they want on it and let the maemo/meego community fix bugs and write apps. Then they should upgrade Harmattan to MeeGo and base it on MeeGo 1.3 and release the consumer device when that's done.

Edit: Releasing the consumer device with Maemo6 is a VERY bad idea!

Waiting for MeeGo 1.3 is even worse, still 6 months away and its not as simple as just getting a version of MeeGo and slapping it on a device. Waiting for 1.3 would been postponing for quite a long while.

xerxes2

2011-05-27, 13:46

Waiting for MeeGo 1.3 is even worse, still 6 months away and its not as simple as just getting a version of MeeGo and slapping it on a device. Waiting for 1.3 would been postponing for quite a long while.

Nokia have to upgrade Qt-SDK and some apps and Ovistore infrastructure too, that's the problem. I think MeeGo 1.3 is scheduled for an October release so only five months away.

Edit: And the MeeGo N900 DE edition should be covering the N950 too. More or less the same hardware so shouldn't be that hard.

volt

2011-05-27, 13:46

Knowing Nokia, "later this year" could easily mean Q5.

At this point, I don't even understand why there is a consumer device if it isn't an geek device. Who other than us could possibly want this premature, futureless device?

NvyUs

2011-05-27, 13:48

Nokia have to upgrade Qt-SDK and some apps and Ovistore infrastructure too, that's the problem. i think MeeGo 1.3 is scheduled for an October release so only five months away.

Then there is there own UI what sits on top, and many many months of testing what goes into consumer grade products
And who is to say that MeeGo 1.3 will be any more mature than 1.2 with all the changes planned for it.

xerxes2

2011-05-27, 13:53

Then there is there own UI what sits on top, and many many months of testing what goes into to consumer grade products

That's what takes five months. Releasing the consumer device with Maemo6 will give the Nokia "MeeGo" device lots of badwill and that is a bad thing for the MeeGo community. That was most likely the cause why all Harmattan talks were throwned out from Meegoconf.

Edit: And there should of course be two consumer devices, one with hwkb and one without.

NvyUs

2011-05-27, 13:57

That's what takes five months. Releasing the consumer device with Maemo6 will give the Nokia "MeeGo" device lots of badwill and that is a bad thing for the MeeGo community. That was most likely the cause why all Harmattan talks were throwned out from Meegoconf.

MeeGo 1.3 is taking 6 months, it will be much longer before we see Products based on that version.
1.2 is out find me a product based on it? WeTab guys have promised to update there OS to it but till now there's 0.
At MeeGo Conference Dublin we was promised Many Consumer Products would be released by the Next Conference, That Conference as now been and Gone and I'm still waiting for all these Gadgets they promised

xerxes2

2011-05-27, 13:59

And who is to say that MeeGo 1.3 will be any more mature than 1.2 with all the changes planned for it.

Well, MeeGo is mostly based on Fedora and Suse so most new stuff is already tested on those distros, like Systemd. There are no guarantees before it's done and delivered but imho 1.3 will most likely be better than 1.2.

NvyUs

2011-05-27, 14:07

If the consumer device as been put back till late summer/early Autumn like stated in this thread somewhere, then you can expect next to 0 marketing.
As that is when Nokia's next gen Symbian devices and Win Phone 7.5 devices are due.
So expect a sales failure caused from within just so they can justify killing MeeGo/Harmattan from having a Nokia mass market Future

cfh11

2011-05-27, 14:07

iPhone5 is coming in september, so nokia should hurry the hell up.

Or they (marketing) would be complete dumbasses (which I think they are, so I'm desperate).

eldar is that you? :rolleyes:

NvyUs

2011-05-27, 14:13

eldar is that you? :rolleyes:

He Can't be Eldar I don't see Samsung mentioned anywhere, but could be Steve Jobs though LOL

eMiL

2011-05-27, 14:14

Page 300 here we come :)

zymo

2011-05-27, 14:24

it was mentioned somewhere that whenever apple releases the iphone, Nokia Management goes on vacation. So either they release the N9 before september or „later this year“ (31.12.2011)

delmar

2011-05-27, 14:31

I think that the delay in the release of a device may also be related to a renewal of ovi store. If they want to sell to the mass the consumer edition, then they must also have a good number of applications available. Otherwise we end up with as N900, when who did not know what they were buying, then complain because there are not all those applications avaiable for iPhone & Co.

Maybe this is planned, so they will then migrate to W7.

suy

2011-05-27, 16:14

The good thing about MeeGo/Harmattan is that Qt is the way to develop apps, so all the Qt applications for Symbian have to work with almost no effort in MeeGo.

Personally I'm quite excited to test Marble. The free apps for open street map on Android aren't very good.

sjgadsby

2011-05-27, 16:20

At MeeGo Conference Dublin we was promised Many Consumer Products would be released by the Next Conference, That Conference as now been and Gone and I'm still waiting for all these Gadgets they promised

This is going off-topic, but some of the Intel representatives with whom I spoke at the San Francisco conference expressed excitement at, and satisfaction with, the large number (five) of MeeGo devices already on the market. In their view, MeeGo is already riding a wave of success that will be further strengthened by the release of a few different reference UX Oak Trail tablets in the coming weeks.

So, from the perspective of at least some Intel employees, it seems the goal outlined in Dublin has been achieved.

bhairav

2011-05-27, 16:30

i think nokia nokia meego device will make its appearance in june because of two reasons

1)They have an piled stockpiled amount of goods that will soon go outdated if not released well and nobody will want them after a stipulated amt of time
(Similar situation is there in joseph keeler's Paranoia where it is show how companies goto what lengths to salvage whatever is left out of products which are stockipiled and not sold off or production is cancelled!!!)

2)TheNokiaBlog even before start of meego conferance was the first site to report that the developer device product distribution has been reportedly been moved to june!!!
see article publish date...
http://thenokiablog.com/2011/05/11/nokia-meego-developer-device/

NvyUs

2011-05-27, 16:50

This is going off-topic, but some of the Intel representatives with whom I spoke at the San Francisco conference expressed excitement at, and satisfaction with, the large number (five) of MeeGo devices already on the market. In their view, MeeGo is already riding a wave of success that will be further strengthened by the release of a few different reference UX Oak Trail tablets in the coming weeks.

So, from the perspective of at least some Intel employees, it seems the goal outlined in Dublin has been achieved.

Hardly achieved anything in my opinion, non of these products are for consumers, non are Smartphones and each of the products what are available are only released in 1 or 2 locations or are originally windows products with MeeGo as an after thought.
Most promising and polished product so far I've seen is the TV boxes.

btw 3 posts left to reach 3000

The Wizard of Huz

2011-05-27, 17:11

Just for the record, quoting Meego.com here (https://meego.com/developers/ui-design-guidelines/handset/meego-basics):

Users can use a pinch multi-touch motion to change the switcher into an overview mode. By pinching in, thumbnails move into a grid display. The grid can scale up to a 3x3 version, thereafter the switcher then starts to create new pages. Pinching out, while in the grid mode, changes the view back to larger stacked mode.

Well, that is still a step backward from N900/ Maemo 5.
I guess N900/Maemo 5 is al least TWO steps ahead from the competition with regard to multitasking :-)