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aironeous
2011-05-22, 09:43
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Is Elop a trojan?
cut to scene: Elop popping out of a trojan horse with a party hat on and those things you blow on that swirl out and some signs that have meego with a red line through it and symbian with a red line through it and an I love windows tshirt and a bunch of Nokia employees looking at him like WTF?!!
Then Bill gates pops his head out from inside the horse and says see ya buddy and closes the lid and drives off.
I dont see the reason for all the sceptical-ism and controversy all the fact fall in together nicely and i see the going went like this
nokia made a couple hundred units (rm-680) to release in 2010 found out a major softw. prob like UI/UX issues like zek said so they went back to the blackboard by the time they fixed it the rm-680 wasnt fit for the market hardware wise so they a new device elop says it must be a slate so it appeals to masses and makes cash the new device is the rm-686 that k123 is testing out and to make use of the old rm-680 unit they flash them with the new software and give away to devs and the rm-686 hasnt made it through fcc yet or nokia stuck an apple like deal to keep the fcc quiet
Possible, but that's weird. Nothing wrong with making an updated one with hw keyboard. Of course Elop's point is not to promote Linux, but to push everyone into MS's hands. But since they are already releasing a device which is claimed to be N900's successor, they could have some conscience and could make it with keyboard too.
I came to think about the whole Hardware Keyboard topic... As much as I want a hardware keyboard in this device (and the N9 from the teaser is helluva sexy device to me, already fell in love with it :p ), I thought about the name "Nokia Internet Tablet". 770 and N800 didn't have HWKB either, consumer N9 also won't have it... so we'll get a 4" 720p Tablet/phone hybrid with some real nice software on it...
Guys, after thinking a little about it, and Harmattan is really that awesome as insiders tell us: Forget iPhone & iPad, forget Pre3 & TouchPad, forget BlackBerry & PlayBook... we get it all in one awesome device...
Besides: one question to insiders, hope someone can tell us: Will Harmattan support MS Exchange provisioning? Otherwise I cannot sync work PIM... that was one major problem for me with Maemo 5.
onethreealpha
2011-05-22, 10:36
@ larux
yes I'm aware they've joined the handset working group but they also made it clear around the same time that they had no interest at this stage in developing a handset of their own.
I will happily stand corrected if they do bring some prototypes to the table.
the GW990 looked to have a lot of potential and it was surprising they dropped it at such a late stage last year
I got a 20 point infraction b/c this thread for a personal attack or something so I'm quitting this junk thread and site, I will take my info elsewhere where there's less whiners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA
I got a 20 point infraction b/c this thread for a personal attack or something so I'm quitting this junk thread and site, I will take my info elsewhere where there's less whiners
keep cool ,thats just a discussion of people with different opinions... thats human... have fun with it like i do... someone mentioned this thread is like csi... i say no, this thread is better ;)
@topic hwkb:
lets believe that everyone here who wants to get a dev device, he will get it (nokie should have produce enough of it). and everyone else who wants an ultimate killer phone without a hwkb will wait a little bit more to get it. and will be even more amazed... :D
And everybody here who loved maemo will love meego and wont miss anything at his phone!
*peace*?
I got a 20 point infraction b/c this thread for a personal attack or something so I'm quitting this junk thread and site, I will take my info elsewhere where there's less whiners
Dont quit! Every info you have is welcomed from my side and I am sure also from many others that read this thread even though they dont chime in...
Besides you know this is the thread :D
onethreealpha
2011-05-22, 11:25
@marrat
The "leaked" harmattan packages list includes mail for exchange libraries and daemon, so would assume that it will
I got a 20 point infraction b/c this thread for a personal attack or something so I'm quitting this junk thread and site, I will take my info elsewhere where there's less whiners
let us know if you find a thread, will follow you.
@marrat
The "leaked" harmattan packages list includes mail for exchange libraries and daemon, so would assume that it will
N900 also had Mail for Exchange, but it didn't support provisioning (i.e. Remote Wipe, enforcement of PIN policies, etc.) which I need to sync with my corporate Exchange... Therefor with N900 I was always tied to local Ovi Suite/Outlook sync...
im a little bored so lets make a little sum up what we have so far:
Name: N950 (Dev-Device like N900)
Release: Coming this or next week
Availability: During or after Meego Conf. via Development program, maybe later via Nokia Web-Shop and/or amazon (everybody is ok with that?)
Body: Alu-Case
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1-1,2Ghz Cortex A8 SingleCore
GPU: unmentioned
Cam: 12MP (same as N8)
Input: touch, qwerty
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
N9 (Consumer-Device)
Release: Q3/2011
Availability: everywhere
Body: Singlepart AluBody
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1,2Ghz DualCore A9 (ST-Ericcson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400
Cam: 12MP (another rumor: 8MP)
Input: Touch only
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
I will refresh it as soon as i have new informations :)
Jedibeeftrix
2011-05-22, 11:45
im a little bored so lets make a little sum up what we have so far:
Name: N950 (Dev-Device like N900)
Release: Coming this or next week
Availability: During or after Meego Conf. via Development program, maybe later via Nokia Web-Shop and/or amazon (everybody is ok with that?)
Body: Alu-Case
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1-1,2Ghz Cortex A8 SingleCore
GPU: [Omap3 DSP packages mentioned, so the SGX530 gpu]
Cam: 12MP (same as N8)
Input: touch, qwerty
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
N9 (Consumer-Device)
Release: Q3/2011
Availability: everywhere
Body: [One of our resident informers said a "PolyC" body - polycarbonate?]
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1,2Ghz DualCore A9 (ST-Ericcson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400 [How many gpu cores does the u8500 have?]
Cam: 12MP (another rumor: 8MP)
Input: Touch only
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
a few corrections/amendments in bold text.
dtergens
2011-05-22, 11:49
Add double flash led for the dev one
and surely (I really hope !) xenon flash if it has 8 mpx for consumer one
like in the concept winner : http://admin.conversations.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/NokiaU008.jpg
Name: N950 (Dev-Device like N900)
Release: Coming this or next week
Availability: During or after Meego Conf. via Development program, maybe later via Nokia Web-Shop and/or amazon (everybody is ok with that?)
Body: Alu-Case
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1-1,2Ghz Cortex A8 SingleCore
GPU: Omap3 DSP packages mentioned, so the SGX530 gpu
Cam: 12MP (same as N8) with Dual LED-Flash
Input: touch, qwerty
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
N9 (Consumer-Device)
Release: Q3/2011
Availability: everywhere
Body: polycarbonate or aluminium body
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1,2Ghz DualCore A9 (ST-Ericcson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400 (quad-core gpu)*
Cam: 12MP (another rumor: 8MP)
Input: Touch only
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
*source:
http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-400-mp.php
For me it wasn't expected. I won't trust my source at Nokia Germany anymore that fast. Will talk with him/her about that after the conference personally, whats gone wrong. The statement was clearly that there will be dev-devices distributed.
To me it makes some sense given that Quim Gil's talk was not approved. The Nokia device is not MeeGo, is Harmattan, so it doesn't make sense to give this device in a MeeGo conference.
please don't! I appreciate your information very much.
Don't let stup*d fu*ks like misterc scare you away.
If you find another useful thread however, please tell us.
+1.
I liked your comments.
Just thinking, if the consumer device is based on U8500 Nokia might as well make a model with hwkb too. U8500 is so powerful that Nokia could sell those devices for many years to come without upgrading them so they would surely get their investment back. Omap3 is yesterdays tech and would not last that long compared to U8500.
Just thinking, if the consumer device is based on U8500 Nokia might as well make a model with hwkb too. U8500 is so powerful that Nokia could sell those devices for many years to come without upgrading them so they would surely get their investment back. Omap3 is yesterdays tech and would not last that long compared to U8500.
i think, if the N9 sells in millions it is very possible that there will be another device with kb in the future (maybe 1Q/2012). I still hope that nokia wont sell many (better not a single) ms-phone, and will sell millions and billions of N9... hoping that nokia will see what the (non-american) consumer really wants.. and thats not wp (imho)...
Jedibeeftrix
2011-05-22, 12:19
"Scalable from 1 to 4 cores the Mali-400 MP enables a wide range of different use cases"
how many does the u8500 use?
how many does the u8500 use?
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58568&page=3
Looks like it's a single-core Mali 400 in U8500.
mikecomputing
2011-05-22, 12:24
I hope Nokia will have some sense, and will make both devices available for general public.
its more like its only one device the lanku one without keyboard maybe runs wp7.5.
I mean Elop was desperate to see a WP phone end of this year so maybe the hw in lanku was good just ripout Meego and install WP ****.
aironeous
2011-05-22, 12:30
No HW keyboard or add on hw keyboard = I'll wait and see what LG or another manufacturer is going to make for meego
No dual core plus gpu = no buy 100% for sure
how many does the u8500 use?
as far as i understood its scalable from 1-4, so it includes 4 cores, but if only 1 is needed, the others are deactivated/standby.
I have found a few links about the SGS2, it has a samsung exynos cpu with the mali gpu, and they are always talking about 4 cores.
comparing the benchmarks of the sgs2 at anandtech wouldnt make sense at the moment because we will have another (higher) resolution, another cpu and another os (which is important too, imho). and the circumstances of the SoC (how is the ram connected to the rest of the system and things like that) is importand for the performance too.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58568&page=3
Looks like it's a single-core Mali 400 in U8500.
maybe they mean the vertex processor ;)
http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-400-mp.php
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 12:36
I came to think about the whole Hardware Keyboard topic... As much as I want a hardware keyboard in this device (and the N9 from the teaser is helluva sexy device to me, already fell in love with it :p ), I thought about the name "Nokia Internet Tablet". 770 and N800 didn't have HWKB either, consumer N9 also won't have it... so we'll get a 4" 720p Tablet/phone hybrid with some real nice software on it...
Guys, after thinking a little about it, and Harmattan is really that awesome as insiders tell us: Forget iPhone & iPad, forget Pre3 & TouchPad, forget BlackBerry & PlayBook... we get it all in one awesome device...
Besides: one question to insiders, hope someone can tell us: Will Harmattan support MS Exchange provisioning? Otherwise I cannot sync work PIM... that was one major problem for me with Maemo 5.
I think it does have that. I have all my contacts integrated (not exchange) and everything shows up in notification slide. Awesome !
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 12:41
Add double flash led for the dev one
and surely (I really hope !) xenon flash if it has 8 mpx for consumer one
like in the concept winner : http://admin.conversations.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/NokiaU008.jpg
No Xenon flash... and looks like dev device no go at meego con
I think it does have that. I have all my contacts integrated (not exchange) and everything shows up in notification slide. Awesome !
nice to see you back :)
could you anser me one single qestion?
Is icq implemented?
No Xenon flash... and looks like dev device no go at meego con
we already heard it from zehjotkah... very disapointing...
maybe they mean the vertex processor ;)
http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-400-mp.php
If you read here: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58568&page=3
It says Mali-400MP1 which I guess is single-core. They also mention Mali-400MP4 which has four times the speed of the U8500 one so I'd assume that is the quad-core version of Mali-400.
Edit: And it looks like Mali-400MP1 is faster than SGX-540 from Omap4 so I would not worry that U8500 would disappoint in GPU power.
Jedibeeftrix
2011-05-22, 12:47
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58568&page=3
Looks like it's a single-core Mali 400 in U8500.
shame its only a single core, but hopefully as powerful or more powerful than what we originally hoped for; the SGX540 as found in the Ti Omap4 platform.
dont worry, i got one too for telling danramos to shut his noob mouth once.
nice to see you back :)
could you anser me one single qestion?
Is icq implemented?
Or AIM, for that matter (as it's the same). I did not find any ICQ or AIM plugin hint in the leaked package list...
If you read here: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58568&page=3
It says Mali-400MP1 which I guess is single-core. They also mention Mali-400MP4 which has four times the speed of the U8500 one so I'd assume that is the quad-core version of Mali-400.
yes, but i also read about u8500 and mali400mp. so it can still be both...
ps the 8mp camera looks like an EdoF its too thin to be an auto focus
i mean even though the iphone has af (correct me if i am wrong) nokia c7 is the only nokia slim touch screen because of edof
source of my speculation RAZOR images and Koajwujwer123 said they were real
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 12:53
ps the 8mp camera looks like an EdoF its too thin to be an auto focus
i mean even though the iphone has af (correct me if i am wrong) nokia c7 is the only nokia slim touch screen because of edof
source of my speculation RAZOR images and Koajwujwer123 said they were real
AF and CZ cam , nice pics ! :D
ps the 8mp camera looks like an EdoF its too thin to be an auto focus
i mean even though the iphone has af (correct me if i am wrong) nokia c7 is the only nokia slim touch screen because of edof
source of my speculation RAZOR images and Koajwujwer123 said they were real
i still hope that we are wrong and it will have the same cam as the one in the n8
ps the 8mp camera looks like an EdoF its too thin to be an auto focus
i mean even though the iphone has af (correct me if i am wrong) nokia c7 is the only nokia slim touch screen because of edof
source of my speculation RAZOR images and Koajwujwer123 said they were real
you have the link for the razor images? lazy to search for ;)
zehjotkah
2011-05-22, 12:56
Hi guys.
As I feel kind of betrayed (or served with wrong/old information) I better keep shut up to prevent false information. That's my learning for these days.
If you have any questions unrelated to unreleased MeeGo devices or you just want to meet up at the MeeGo Conference drop me a line at Twitter, @zehjotkah
Bye, it was awesome to have fun with you.
Hi guys.
As I feel kind of betrayed (or served with wrong/old information) I better keep shut up to prevent false information. That's my learning for these days.
If you have any questions unrelated to unreleased MeeGo devices or you just want to meet up at the MeeGo Conference drop my a line at Twitter, @zehjotkah
Bye, it was awesome to have fun with you.
but you come back with informations as soon as you have them, right??
It looks like STE have replaced U8500 with U9500.
http://www.stericsson.com/products/smartphone-platforms.jsp
It looks like STE have replaced U8500 with U9500.
http://www.stericsson.com/products/smartphone-platforms.jsp
companys always invent new technology, the problem is that it takes a long time until we see the new things in end-user devices...
i just hope that we will get something as powerful as the u8500.
If it plays 1080p, that would be enough to know ;)
just found this about the N950:
Rumors also say that phone will be powered by a 1 GHz Scorpion processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm QSD8250 Snapdragon chipset with lots of memory, 64 GB storage, 512 MB RAM, 1 GB ROM.
http://www.meegousers.com/1484/what-to-expect-from-nokia-n950/
It looks like STE have replaced U8500 with U9500.
http://www.stericsson.com/products/smartphone-platforms.jsp
To be seen somewhere in 2013. ;)
just cooldown a bit with these SOC rumors. Nokia is slow, very slow at taking best SOC's out there and U8500 has been supposed to come out from Nokia in long time.
ST-Ericsson guy said just yesterday that Nokia's WP phones will use U8500 and later on U9500. And that U8500 is even after Nokia's first Qualcomm phones like said by Nokia spokeperson yesterday.
I would be surprised if we will see even U8500 on lankku just watching Nokia's history. U9500 is day dreaming even from Samsung, not to even talk about Nokia.
im still waiting for an answer to my question: ICQ???
benchmarks have shown (I am lazy to search for the link now) that snapdragon in HD2 is on par with TI in N900 because of the better gpu in N900, so I don't see the point of using snapdragon now.
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im still waiting for an answer to my question: ICQ???
Based on the leaked package list I wouldn't bet on this one... but maybe someone comes up again with pidgin plugins for telepathy...
generationally
2011-05-22, 13:17
ST-Ericsson guy said just yesterday that Nokia's WP phones will use U8500 and later on U9500.
Do you have a link for that U9500 statement? I know that U8500 will be used by Nokia but I doubt that Nokia has already committed to using U9500.
just found this about the N950:
Rumors also say that phone will be powered by a 1 GHz Scorpion processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm QSD8250 Snapdragon chipset with lots of memory, 64 GB storage, 512 MB RAM, 1 GB ROM.
http://www.meegousers.com/1484/what-to-expect-from-nokia-n950/
Let others dig out those rumors and get tangled to web people(me included) have weaved for the past 15 months.
http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=663
RM-680 is 15 months old rumor. There's spec list for anything you ever want. From 3mpx camera to 16mpx, U8500, Scorpion, OMAP3, OMAP4, medfield ect etc.
I can slightly listen certain people as far specs goes, but these blogs are just finding these specs googling. Like i said you can find there whatever you are looking for and you get it.
EDIT:
Do you have a link for that U9500 statement? I know that U8500 will be used by Nokia but I doubt that Nokia has already committed to using U9500.
You are right the yesterdays news doesn't even mention U9500 like i remembered, but just more to the point.
Based on the leaked package list I wouldn't bet on this one... but maybe someone comes up again with pidgin plugins for telepathy...
im sure there will be a way for using icq accounts implemented in the messages ui like any other already implemented one. (like in the n900)
But is it wrong to hope that the most used messenger system in the world is already implmened in a device?
I dont understand why no company is doing this... everywhere you read about facebook, twitter or gtalk, I use none of them frequently (yes, i dont like facebook!) and icq is a must have for me.
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 13:23
Brock : ICQ not on the one i have
32 / 64GB for consumer phone. 64gb with me. no idea about keyboard phone.
gryedouge
2011-05-22, 13:24
http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=663
I can slightly listen certain people as far specs goes, but these blogs are just findibg specs googling. Like i said you can find there whatever you are looking for and you get it.
Agreed! And from what i have seen and read so far, most of those blogs/sites/articles are using TMO as a primary source for information and combining that with lists they have dug up.
So the moral of the story is: if you want first hand/ground breaking news on the N9/N950, then TMO is the place to be.
Brock : ICQ not on the one i have
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I
Brock : ICQ not on the one i have
32 / 64GB for consumer phone. 64gb with me. no idea about keyboard phone.
What about AIM?
http://www.igloocommunity.org/
Looks like STE is pretty commited to make U8500/U9500 (which look almost identical to me) work on MeeGo and Android.
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 13:29
What about AIM?
yes , it is there but i dont use it.
so we have:
Name: N950 (Dev-Device like N900)
Release: Coming this or next week
Availability: During or after Meego Conf. via Development program, maybe later via Nokia Web-Shop and/or amazon (everybody is ok with that?)
Body: Alu-Case
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1-1,2Ghz Cortex A8 SingleCore
GPU: Omap3 DSP packages mentioned, so the SGX530 gpu
Storage: 32/64GB
Cam: 12MP AF (same as N8) with Dual LED-Flash
Input: touch, qwerty
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
N9 (Consumer-Device)
Release: Q3/2011
Availability: everywhere
Body: polycarbonate or aluminium body
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1,2Ghz DualCore A9 (ST-Ericcson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400 (quad-core gpu)*
Storage: 64GB
Cam: 8MP AF (still hope for 12MP AF)
Input: Touch only
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
(remember, thats only a summary of the posts from this thread, so everything can change in the last seconds)
Edit: Cam for N9
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 13:30
8MP on user phone. auto focus
yes , it is there but i dont use it.
@Brock: So ICQ is also possible. It's the same protocol and the same servers. Just login with your ICQ# over AIM (doing this on the N900 for example) and tadaa...
yes , it is there but i dont use it.
as far as i know both systems are compatible... could you try to test an icq account with the aim implementation?
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 13:33
as far as i know both systems are compatible... could you try to test an icq account with the aim implementation?
maybe later. i dont use both so no account.
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 13:34
i love this UI. nothing like it haha
maybe later. i dont use both so no account.
not neccessary as long as marrat has right...
but you are welcome to test it ;)
i love this UI. nothing like it haha
from that what i have seen in the teaser:
ME TOO!!
Mee Go buying a great phone this year.... :D
Mee Go buying a great phone this year.... :D
hahahahaha :D :D :D nice :cool:
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 13:37
from that what i have seen in the teaser:
ME TOO!!
Mee Go buying a great phone this year.... :D
you not seen anything yet :D
jajaja totally different from Maemo < my previous fav > but i still like it
video was not render.. actually that fast :D
you not seen anything yet :D
jajaja totally different from Maemo < my previous fav > but i still like it
video was not render.. actually that fast :D
i watched every single frame of the teaser ;) and saw that guy swyping around... and i love swyping around :D
and what you say makes me even more impatient...
Mee Go buying a great phone this year.... :D
Mee To(o). You can bet on it. Despite all of my friends and work colleagues saying Nokia is dead and only produces crap (they are only looking at UIs and don't even care about the rest of the features)... So this time I can show them how "dead" Nokia is... :D
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 13:42
i watched every single frame of the teaser ;) and saw that guy swyping around... and i love swyping around :D
and what you say makes me even more impatient...
then you have lot of swyping to do :P nokia give clue for this at very end of video.
Mee To(o). You can bet on it. Despite all of my friends and work colleagues saying Nokia is dead and only produces crap (they are only looking at UIs and don't even care about the rest of the features)... So this time I can show them how "dead" Nokia is... :D
im in the same situation... and finally we will get our bigbang phone ;)
from what i've read until now i just can wait to take one in my hands!!
im in the same situation... and finally we will get our bigbang phone ;)
But this time I won't tell anyone I got a new phone and try to show them what nice features it has...
I'll just start using it as I always had it and as if that was nothing special or new... and wait for them to recognize that nice stuff what is going on onscreen. If it keeps what Koajwujwer123 and others promise their faces will change soon enough :D
then you have lot of swyping to do :P nokia give clue for this at very end of video.
i mean the seconds 40-46... swyping the calender to the right to get the main menu, swyping the browser to the right to get the open windows (or is it the task manager?) and then swyping the gallery from the right end into the screen...
wait... i think i can see what you mean...
http://www.birol.info/temp/n9.png
(at this moment the guy has not touched the screen yet, he wil ldo it in the next second)
is this what you mean?
But this time I won't tell anyone I got a new phone and try to show them what nice features it has...
I'll just start using it as I always had it and as if that was nothing special or new... and wait for them to recognize that nice stuff what is going on onscreen. If it keeps what Koajwujwer123 and others promise their faces will change soon enough :D
exactly! :D
I dont see the reason for all the sceptical-ism and controversy all the fact fall in together nicely and i see the going went like this
nokia made a couple hundred units (rm-680) to release in 2010 found out a major softw. prob like UI/UX issues like zek said so they went back to the blackboard by the time they fixed it the rm-680 wasnt fit for the market hardware wise so they a new device elop says it must be a slate so it appeals to masses and makes cash the new device is the rm-686 that k123 is testing out and to make use of the old rm-680 unit they flash them with the new software and give away to devs and the rm-686 hasnt made it through fcc yet or nokia stuck an apple like deal to keep the fcc quietIf they had geared up for a proper release before it got cancelled I'd expect them to have more than a few hundreds units lying around, before these new rumours started Eldar tweeted something like Nokia would only sell 92,000 Meego devices, if his information got a bit confused that figure could have been referring to the dev phone and the amount they have already produced and needed to offload. So there might be enough that everybody here will be able to buy one, I wouldn't expect Nokia to sell them through normal retail channels though.
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 13:57
i mean the seconds 40-46... Swyping the calender to the right to get the main menu, swyping the browser to the right to get the open windows (or is it the task manager?) and then swyping the gallery from the right end into the screen...
Wait... I think i can see what you mean...
http://www.birol.info/temp/n9.png
(at this moment the guy has not touched the screen yet, he wil ldo it in the next second)
is this what you mean?
:) :) :) :) :)
mikecomputing
2011-05-22, 13:59
just found this about the N950:
Rumors also say that phone will be powered by a 1 GHz Scorpion processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm QSD8250 Snapdragon chipset with lots of memory, 64 GB storage, 512 MB RAM, 1 GB ROM.
http://www.meegousers.com/1484/what-to-expect-from-nokia-n950/
yet another artticle full of garbage information. Do peope in this forum never learn?
:) :) :) :) :)
man, i am sooo excited to get it in my hands... thats what i am waiting for since... tooo long...
that makes me remember the interview with Marko Ahtisaari at LeWeb 2010, talking about the whole new ui... and it looks like finally he will be right :D
yet another artticle full of garbage information. Do peope in this forum never learn?
sorry :(
i will learn, ok? ;)
Just to feed the rumour about U8500 a bit more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUpgpjJl-5g
Look at 12:30. i'm actually starting to believe that the consumer device will have a U8500 a bit more now.
Jaekaelae
2011-05-22, 14:08
After hearing these rumors from here and there im becoming to think that even that consumer device doesnt have hwkb i will buy it. But i dont how to manage to wait still 2-3 months :)
After hearing these rumors from here and there im becoming to think that even that consumer device doesnt have hwkb i will buy it. But i dont how to manage to wait still 2-3 months :)
people can find smartphones with latest hardware everywhere...
but where can we find a great smartphone with a great os? you know where ;)
@Koajwujwer123
what about the batteries in both devices?
Martinhsl68hw
2011-05-22, 14:10
Just to keep my options open, how do you go about proving you are a developer? I write hobby code, but don't sell it. Am I a developer? Do Nokia give you a multiple choice test?
mikecomputing
2011-05-22, 14:11
8MP on user phone. auto focus
something is smelling... If the UI is so damn good you are saying why the freak does Nokia drop Meego?
please confirm this, I my sound stupid but, are you sure its harmattan and linux and not a branded WP7?
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 14:12
@Koajwujwer123
what about the batteries in both devices?
sealed in consumer.
mikecomputing
2011-05-22, 14:13
If I remember correct Microsoft will announce next wp next week or so
This makes me wonder If Nokia really will announce anything related to meego comming weeks :O
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 14:13
are you sure its harmattan and linux and not a branded WP7?
lol. you serious ?
Just to feed the rumour about U8500 a bit more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUpgpjJl-5g
Look at 12:30. i'm actually starting to believe that the consumer device will have a U8500 a bit more now.
can someone tell me what he says about the differenc e of the 9500 and 8500? He speaks to fast for me ;) (its at 2:38)
Brock : ICQ not on the one i have
32 / 64GB for consumer phone. 64gb with me. no idea about keyboard phone.
so two different versions of the consumer device? 32 and 64gb version?
so two different versions of the consumer device? 32 and 64gb version?
that means that he doesnt know it exactly
mikecomputing
2011-05-22, 14:24
lol. you serious ?
us
in some way yes. in some way not. My point is I dont get what the hell is going on at Nokia. They dish Meego in long run but will release a phone with an UI that everybody saying is very good.
I take that as the plan is to brand wpX in the future and steal harmattan UI for it.
maybe totally out of line but still it could be possible...
just my opinion .and my sound stupid but anyway
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 14:27
us
in some way yes. in some way not. My point is I dont get what the hell is going on at Nokia. They dish Meego in long run but will release a phone with an UI that everybody saying is very good.
I take that as the plan is to brand wpX in the future and steal harmattan UI for it.
maybe totally out of line but still it could be possible...
just my opinion .and my sound stupid but anyway
MeeGo , Wp7 UI very different. no overlaps ever. WP7 has brand name MeeGo does not.
MeeGo , Wp7 UI very different. no overlaps ever. WP7 has brand name MeeGo does not.
dont like the ui of wp7... these squares are nothing for me...
but nokias next sense ui (thats my name for it ;) looks very nice...
benny1967
2011-05-22, 14:31
My point is I dont get what the hell is going on at Nokia. They dish Meego in long run but will release a phone with an UI that everybody saying is very good.
It's only the UI - which is the least important part, probably, of an OS.
We don't know much about the Nokia-MS deal. We do know that MS got access to the pool of Nokia's IP. Maybe they'll also take some of the Harmattan UI-concepts for upcoming versions of WP?
Well, if K123 is giving correct information, that kind of makes him the "deep throat" (in a watergate sense!) of this thread. And he, and many others do give good reason by effectively saying "follow the money" as justification. So if the information is true, for me and many others that basically want a mobile linux computer with a kb, what would be a good plan B? Something with more umph than the n900 and a bigger screen (4-5 inches) you can load linux on that can be both a tablet and computer. Perhaps something that one can currently buy or is on the horizon as my n900 still has legs.
I might add that if this is the path Nokia has chosen, I wouldn't fault them for it. It is their choice based on their buisness model (whatever that is...). And if the new device is a really cool candy bar that works extraordinarily well for surfing, entertainment, manageing contacts and such I might consider getting one. But I am really more interested in a mobile computer I can tinker with, have access and utilize debian repositories (like Easy Debian), open office. A good deal of the fun is using the stuff that the maemo community developed. I'm not sure if this is possible, or even worse, that a similar "ecosystem" like the maemo community would provide the same type of support for such candy bar.
can someone tell me what he says about the differenc e of the 9500 and 8500? He speaks to fast for me ;) (its at 2:38)
U8500 seems to be EOL and U9500 is what is offered now. It is very close to U8500 so still the same A9 CPU and Mali GPU. You can still find the page for U8500 on STE's site so here you have both:
http://www.stericsson.com/products/u8500-novathor.jsp
http://www.stericsson.com/products/u9500-novathor.jsp
Edit: An even older sneek peek at MeeGo on U8500: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQFI3mVJgbc
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 14:37
Well, if K123 is giving correct information, that kind of makes him the "deep throat" (in a watergate sense!) of this thread. And he, and many others do give good reason by effectively saying "follow the money" as justification. So if the information is true, for me and many others that basically want a mobile linux computer with a kb, what would be a good plan B? Something with more umph than the n900 and a bigger screen (4-5 inches) you can load linux on that can be both a tablet and computer. Perhaps something that one can currently buy or is on the horizon as my n900 still has legs.
I might add that if this is the path Nokia has chosen, I wouldn't fault them for it. It is their choice based on their buisness model (whatever that is...). And if the new device is a really cool candy bar that works extraordinarily well for surfing, entertainment, manageing contacts and such I might consider getting one. But I am really more interested in a mobile computer I can tinker with, have access and utilize debian repositories (like Easy Debian), open office. A good deal of the fun is using the stuff that the maemo community developed. I'm not sure if this is possible, or even worse, that a similar "ecosystem" like the maemo community would provide the same typed of support such candy bar.
a lot of stuff made here will not make sense on meego phone. you will know more when announcement
sealed in consumer.
What about the battery life?
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 14:40
What about the battery life?
good. lasts day of usage. better than andro jeje
gryedouge
2011-05-22, 14:41
us
in some way yes. in some way not. My point is I dont get what the hell is going on at Nokia. They dish Meego in long run but will release a phone with an UI that everybody saying is very good.
I take that as the plan is to brand wpX in the future and steal harmattan UI for it.
maybe totally out of line but still it could be possible...
just my opinion .and my sound stupid but anyway
From what I understand, from reading through all the posts made by the insiders, is that this is the phone which will make or break future harmattan/meego OS development.
If the OS/UI on this phone is a game changer (not iphone killer) and sells really really well, then there is financial incentive to continue with the harmattan/meego OS and to divert into a two stream strategy - WPX and harmattan/meego.
Personnally, from what i have been reading, the upcoming N9 will be a game changer and that is what Nokia needs.
generationally
2011-05-22, 14:48
U8500 seems to be EOL and U9500 is what is offered now. It is very close to U8500 so still the same A9 CPU and Mali GPU. You can still find the page for U8500 on STE's site so here you have both:
http://www.stericsson.com/products/u8500-novathor.jsp
http://www.stericsson.com/products/u9500-novathor.jsp
Edit: An even older sneek peek at MeeGo on U8500: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQFI3mVJgbc
U8500 EOL?? There are not even any products out yet with that platform!
And you might be mixing U9500 with AP9500. They are not the same thing. U9500 is a mobile platform including modem for handsets.
AP9500 is a development board containing same dual-core A9 + GPU as U8500 and U9500 but has no modem. It is on the modem side that U8500 and U9500 differs most. U9500 has a higher feature modem.
Okay, I'll repeat another time.
Of course the device in the video will get released in the meaning of getting into the hands of people outside of Nokia.
Therefore it have to fullfill certain legal requirements, such as passing FCC and so on.
The video was made some weeks ago (about 2 to 3) to present the device to the community/developers who will get the device).
It's not meant as commercial for the end consumer.
A hint for that is that it is pretty cheap produced, made from some shots of the device itself and some meaningless, not connected to the device images of random people (you can actually buy these kind of shots as you can buy advertising pics, I'm doing this all the time for different companies).
the consumer device is not yet at FCC, because it will not be announced next week.
like i said to the ghost ID (123 whatever who thanksfully seems to have disappeared unless he doesn't even have a mobile phone to check the thread?)
i don't know on what planet you are nor what you are smoking out there but i really advice you to stop it right away.
'cuz even if you r a 1000 light years away from SF, which you seem to be, unless you stop right away they are still going to arrest you for being under influence by the time you get there :rolleyes:
this being said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRvbGlo-SgU&feature=player_detailpage
when was that done?
specifically, has the N98 been cancelled too?
otherwise, why would a "developer device" be advertised together w/ a consumer device?
why isn't THAT video banned & blocked by NOKIA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4FA1-SmpQY&feature=player_detailpage
does that look like a "developer" ad to you?
rescue a dog from the drain?
same as above... why isn't THAT video banned & blocked by NOKIA?
bottom line:
you don't know $#!t
go hide yourself on the other side of whatever planet you are on & stop posting your so called "insider" crap
a lot of stuff made here will not make sense on meego phone. you will know more when announcement
bet still holding?
@misterc
you have missed that he (zehjotkah) already has left us... due to people like you...
didnt you told us that you will leave us? and still here?
be a man, stay to your words...
U8500 EOL?? There are not even any products out yet with that platform!
And you might be mixing U9500 with AP9500. They are not the same thing. U9500 is a mobile platform including modem for handsets.
AP9500 is a development board containing same dual-core A9 + GPU as U8500 and U9500 but has no modem. It is on the modem side that U8500 and U9500 differs most. U9500 has a higher feature modem.
No I'm not mixing anything as I just read this article: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/STEricsson-Nova-A9600-A9540-A9500-plus-NovaThor-U9500-T5008-and-U4500/
And yes U8500 seems to be EOL as it has been removed from STE's site. Why would they continue to make a chip which is almost identical to a newer one?
And yes U8500 seems to be EOL as it has been removed from STE's site. Why would they continue to make a chip which is almost identical to a newer one?
its not removed!
http://www.stericsson.com/products/u8500-novathor.jsp
You picked the wrong guy to pick on. zehjotkah is probably the most credible person in this thread.
like i said to the ghost ID (123 whatever who thanksfully seems to have disappeared unless he doesn't even have a mobile phone to check the thread?)
i don't know on what planet you are nor what you are smoking out there but i really advice you to stop it right away.
'cuz even if you r a 1000 light years away from SF, which you seem to be, unless you stop right away they are still going to arrest you for being under influence by the time you get there :rolleyes:
this being said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRvbGlo-SgU&feature=player_detailpage
when was that done?
specifically, has the N98 been cancelled too?
otherwise, why would a "developer device" be advertised together w/ a consumer device?
why isn't THAT video banned & blocked by NOKIA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4FA1-SmpQY&feature=player_detailpage
does that look like a "developer" ad to you?
rescue a dog from the drain?
bottom line:
you don't know $#!t
go hide yourself on the other side of whatever planet you are on & stop posting your so called "insider" crap
its not removed!
http://www.stericsson.com/products/u8500-novathor.jsp
It was listed here before: http://www.stericsson.com/products/smartphone-platforms.jsp
And it has now been replaced with U9500. I only found that page by manually editing the link.
generationally
2011-05-22, 15:02
No I'm not mixing anything as I just read this article: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/STEricsson-Nova-A9600-A9540-A9500-plus-NovaThor-U9500-T5008-and-U4500/
And yes U8500 seems to be EOL as it has been removed from STE's site. Why would they continue to make a chip which is almost identical to a newer one?
They make different platforms for different classes of devices. U8500 is still there and contains certain modem features. Here is link:
U8500 (http://www.stericsson.com/products/u8500-novathor.jsp)
U9500 has higher spec modem and thus will cost more and have bigger size. Chipset vendors don't just make one platform - they have many to cover a range of devices.
You picked the wrong guy to pick on. zehjotkah is probably the most credible person in this thread.
that is not very promising for the thread :mad:
Idiot.. read the thread , i am still here. yes bet still on. whenever it comes out , user gets no keyboard version
then answer the questions...
you are just as smart as your buddy (if you are not the same with a different id...)
nwerneck
2011-05-22, 15:06
Name: N950 (Dev-Device like N900)
CPU: 1-1,2Ghz Cortex A8 SingleCore
GPU: Omap3 DSP packages mentioned, so the SGX530 gpu
N9 (Consumer-Device)
CPU: 1,2Ghz DualCore A9 (ST-Ericcson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400 (quad-core gpu)*
So we are pretty sure about the processor of the in-developemnt second device, but none of our spies have found out yet what exactly is the processor in the first device?... Is it a TI OMAP3 or not?
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 15:07
then answer the questions...
you are just as smart as your buddy (if you are not the same with a different id...)
what question ? i answered everybody. You need to read thread.
i want to see your face when you finally see consumer phone. haha.. you wont show your face here then.
youre just a bigjoke with stupid comments like above!
if they were that stupid, they would be very easy to disprove.
i won't even waste any time counting, leave along enumerating in any form all the useless & pointless posts you made over the last couple days about supposed features of non-existing devices
what question ? i answered everybody. You need to read thread.
i want to see your face when you finally see consumer phone. haha.. you wont show your face here then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRvbG...yer_detailpage
when was that done?
specifically, has the N98 been cancelled too?
otherwise, why would a "developer device" be advertised together w/ a consumer device?
why isn't THAT video banned & blocked by NOKIA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4FA1...yer_detailpage
does that look like a "developer" ad to you?
rescue a dog from the drain?
same as above... why isn't THAT video banned & blocked by NOKIA?
(from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1012723&postcount=2109 )
like i said to the ghost ID (123 whatever who thanksfully seems to have disappeared unless he doesn't even have a mobile phone to check the thread?)
i don't know on what planet you are nor what you are smoking out there but i really advice you to stop it right away.
'cuz even if you r a 1000 light years away from SF, which you seem to be, unless you stop right away they are still going to arrest you for being under influence by the time you get there :rolleyes:
this being said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRvbGlo-SgU&feature=player_detailpage
when was that done?
specifically, has the N98 been cancelled too?
otherwise, why would a "developer device" be advertised together w/ a consumer device?
why isn't THAT video banned & blocked by NOKIA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4FA1-SmpQY&feature=player_detailpage
does that look like a "developer" ad to you?
rescue a dog from the drain?
same as above... why isn't THAT video banned & blocked by NOKIA?
bottom line:
you don't know $#!t
go hide yourself on the other side of whatever planet you are on & stop posting your so called "insider" crap
ok, then lets take a closer lookat your sources:
1st movie is a selfmade movie, and there is no information, only suggestion
2nd movie is a very very old leaked teaser from mid of last year... and the whole company structure changed since then, so everything could change since then.
any others sources you have your knowledge from?
Ok, I am sure this is old know news,
but does either or both devices have
the bands to run high speed data on AT&T?
dcarter
Maybe they saw huge interest here for device with hwkb and they decided to sell them instead of distributing them for free. ;)
bet ya! ¦-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 15:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRvbG...yer_detailpage
when was that done?
specifically, has the N98 been cancelled too?
otherwise, why would a "developer device" be advertised together w/ a consumer device?
why isn't THAT video banned & blocked by NOKIA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4FA1...yer_detailpage
does that look like a "developer" ad to you?
rescue a dog from the drain?
same as above... why isn't THAT video banned & blocked by NOKIA?
(from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1012723&postcount=2109 )
That video was not even supposed to be seen. And if they are developers , what do you mean ? Should they have video with Matrix like code falling down :P lol
l
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRvbGlo-SgU&feature=player_detailpage
why isn't THAT video banned & blocked by NOKIA?
This Video is obviosly not created by nokia. Why should they bann it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4FA1-SmpQY&feature=player_detailpage
same as above... why isn't THAT video banned & blocked by
NOKIA?
for quite some time this video could only be found on an chinese site.
bet ya! ¦-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
There is video here of Talking fruit, so that's 100% proof talking oranges will go on sale to the public
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkCyVId3KY8&feature=topvideos_entertainment
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Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 15:20
Ok, I am sure this is old know news,
but does either or both devices have
the bands to run high speed data on AT&T?
dcarter
no idea. not in the us but no reason why it shouldn't seeing how other new nokia phones work.
@all:
remember first rule of posting in a forum:
dont feed the trolls ;)
@all:
remember first rule of posting in a forum:
dont feed the trolls ;)
that's the reason why a bunch of kiddos like you can hijack a thread like this, just by posting one pointless answer after a pointless question after another.
like shady said, it's a pity that a bunch of kids can start rumours just by playing ping-pong like that :mad:
troll or "inside source" from NOKIA Germany?
make up your mind
but that's typical of kids hijacking a thread (or sometimes a whole forum);
they never answer concrete and controllable questions
sure, always trolls...
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good riddance
again, we certainly don't envy you
why would we?
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 15:31
that's the reason why a bunch of kiddos like you can hijack a thread like this, just by posting one pointless answer after a pointless question after another.
like shady said, it's a pity that a bunch of kids can start rumours just by playing ping-pong like that :mad:
troll or "inside source" from NOKIA Germany?
make up your mind
but that's typical of kids hijacking a thread (or sometimes a whole forum);
they never answer concrete and controllable questions
sure, always trolls...
lol.. tell what question was not answered ? i already showed the phone to one person i trust. i answered all questions
that's the reason why a bunch of kiddos like you can hijack a thread like this, just by posting one pointless answer after a pointless question after another.
like shady said, it's a pity that a bunch of kids can start rumours just by playing ping-pong like that :mad:
troll or "inside source" from NOKIA Germany?
make up your mind
but that's typical of kids hijacking a thread (or sometimes a whole forum);
they never answer concrete and controllable questions
sure, always trolls...
ok, then tell me your sources of your informations...
and dont come with these custom or old videos all of us knows since a long time...
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 15:33
It looks like misterc is in denial and is whining like kiddo because what he want didnt happen !
AndyNokia232
2011-05-22, 15:41
So zehjotkah tells us the dev device won't be handed out at the conf, so what kind of announcement might be made tomorrow, zehjotkah? The official announcement of the release date of the consumer device? Or just an official introduction to it, as opposed to a leaked teaser we all wet our panties over last week? ;)
ok, then tell me your sources of your informations...
and dont come with these custom or old videos all of us knows since a long time...
but I AM the source, remember?
you said so yourself, i'm the guy who made zehjotkah leave, right?
but, seriously
i don't have any sources EXCEPT:
Stephan Elop, CEO of NOKIA (we have a draft together at least every other week...) ONE MeeGo device until end 2011
should anyone know, respectively, in that case & to pick up on what you pointed out yourselves, there has been many changes in the company since last year. if he said so, chances are that's what it's going to be
Rich Green:
see that post for details & all
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1002079#post1002079
what are yours?
and don't give me that NDA crap
They make different platforms for different classes of devices. U8500 is still there and contains certain modem features. Here is link:
U8500 (http://www.stericsson.com/products/u8500-novathor.jsp)
U9500 has higher spec modem and thus will cost more and have bigger size. Chipset vendors don't just make one platform - they have many to cover a range of devices.
I've now emailed STE to clarify this. :D I've asked them if the U8500 is EOL and if so is the U9500 its replacement. I promise that I'll post the answer in this thread, if I get an answer. Nokia's device will of course have the U8500 as those chips would've been ordered months ago, before U9500 was released.
So zehjotkah tells us the dev device won't be handed out at the conf, so what kind of announcement might be made tomorrow, zehjotkah? The official announcement of the release date of the consumer device? Or just an official introduction to it, as opposed to a leaked teaser we all wet our panties over last week? ;)
why was the device FCC.ed if it won't be distributed (for free) coming week?
(this is not specifically directed @ you, AndyNokia232, i simply pick up the "thread")
& strikes me as an interesting question, now.
why was RM-680 FCC.ed a couple weeks ago if it wasn't for MeeGo conf.?
you know, the one w/ the keyboard, the so called developer device...
You idiot , don't you realise. One phone = Consumer Phone which will be sold. Dev phone is not for for normal user sale so not the phone we're talking about.
troll :p ;) :D :) :rolleyes: :cool: :eek:
why was the device FCC.ed if it won't be distributed (for free) coming week?
(this is not specifically directed @ you, AndyNokia232, i simply pick up the "thread")
& strikes me as an interesting question, now.
why was RM-680 FCC.ed a couple weeks ago if it wasn't for MeeGo conf.?
you know, the one w/ the keyboard, the so called developer device...
did they discover some more HW defects, they hadn't noticed yet, since last year?
maybe the battery is leaking?
or does it turn out that the SW isn't developer prime yet?
come on smart guys :cool: :rolleyes:
but I AM the source, remember?
you said so yourself, i'm the guy who made zehjotkah leave, right?
but, seriously
i don't have any sources EXCEPT:
Stephan Elop, CEO of NOKIA (we have a draft together at least every other week...) ONE MeeGo device until end 2011
should anyone know, respectively, in that case & to pick up on what you pointed out yourselves, there has been many changes in the company since last year. if he said so, chances are that's what it's going to be
Rich Green:
see that post for details & all
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1002079#post1002079
what are yours?
and don't give me that NDA crap
ok, i understand your point, but accept my point:
Both CEO mentioned that there will be 1 meego device. And that still didnt changed...
The actual teaser doesnt show a model number at the end (liek the old vid you showed us) and is nothing thats looks like an advertisement i know for phone shwn in tv-spots... so this teaser is not an advertisement and not for the public audience watching american idol...
If a CEO is talking about a device, he is talking about a consumer device for the masses.
So it is really possible that this device has already been produced last year and now they want to provide it to the developer (for money or for free). The developers would have time to make some apps and then, when the real killer phone is ready for release, we will have the most needed apps ready to download...
But if you are right, nokia would launch 1 device to the masses, but that device has zero apps and nothing to show except of the build in things in the first days... Would you buy a phone without any app already written? you would have to wait days/weeks until the most important apps for you are ready? How makes this sense?
Maybe you will because you can write your own apps, dont know you, but i dont know how to write apps so i need the help of the developers... and the mass cant do it either...
Think about this...
Frappacino
2011-05-22, 16:01
... non stop posting by a handful of the same ppl saying the same **** over and over...
cant you guys even wait till next week...
mutual mass debating society....
gryedouge
2011-05-22, 16:03
...If a CEO is talking about a device, he is talking about a consumer device for the masses.
So it is really possible that this device has already been produced last year and now they want to provide it to the developer (for money or for free). ...
But if you are right, nokia would launch 1 device to the masses,...
http://www.nokiaphones.net/tag/nokia-n9/
why was the device FCC.ed if it won't be distributed (for free) coming week?
(this is not specifically directed @ you, AndyNokia232, i simply pick up the "thread")
& strikes me as an interesting question, now.
why was RM-680 FCC.ed a couple weeks ago if it wasn't for MeeGo conf.?
you know, the one w/ the keyboard, the so called developer device...
it has to be FCC approved if any american developer wants to write an app for it... the FCC approval is until june, 24th, so nokia would still have enough time to bring it to the developers... or did meant something else?
I reckon this hwkb device will be available to everyone. The only caveat will be that in 1 year time when you are all a herpin' an' a derpin' about flash 13 and angrybirds season 37:even angrier, they will say "hey, it's a dev phone whadd'ya expect?"
i just hope device is avialible on launchpad
kindoff want to port 2 or all of my symbian qt programs which will have take advatage of hardware capabilities on it !!!
I reckon this hwkb device will be available to everyone. The only caveat will be that in 1 year time when you are all a herpin' an' a derpin' about flash 13 and angrybirds season 37:even angrier, they will say "hey, it's a dev phone whadd'ya expect?"
wasnt the n900 also mentioned as "some kind of dev phone"?
I just know that it wasnt nokias "official flagship phone", that was the N97/N97mini at that time...
so it would make sense to sell it via nokia web shop or even amazon, if they have produced enough of it
i just hope device is avialible on launchpad
kindoff want to port 2 or all of my symbian qt programs which will have take advatage of hardware capabilities on it !!!
what is launchpad?
Medic7051
2011-05-22, 16:32
I was thinking, and I'm wondering how Nokia would market the device(s). I don't know if they will be releasing one or two or ten for all I care Harmatten/Meego devices. Will the UI/UX be that different enough for them to market on that by itself? Wasn't a big part of the reasoning for adopting WinPhone over Android that it would be too hard for them differentiate in an already crowded market? Both devices (I don't want to say developer and consumer version since I don't know WTF Nokia is thinking) are supposed to be running the same software right? I can see them using the keyboard as a marketing point, but what about the slate? A majority of the Android devices have very similar aesthetics, so how will they differentiate among other touch only devices? I live in the U.S. so we have zero Nokia marketing, so my only exposure is to video's that are posted here. How do you guys think they will try to promote either/both devices?
Its what it says it launches your career into high gear
http://www.forum.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad.xhtml
its quite good
erendorn
2011-05-22, 16:33
ignore user: best tmo feature.
There are so much posts in this thread that I don't really feel I need to read the aggressive ones.
Anyway, there are interesting times ahead!
BigBadGuber!
2011-05-22, 16:35
i love this UI. nothing like it haha
HOw does it compare to iphone4, the current yardstick for smooth UI
good riddance
Are you that hungry for information that you are willing to alienate everybody just to satisfy your own needs whilst sounding like an unnecessarily angry person that's unwilling to listen and learn more?
Sure you don't believe the two folks with devices. Or with connections. Want the truth? Wait. It's around the corner. If they're wrong, rub it in their faces.
generationally
2011-05-22, 16:37
I've now emailed STE to clarify this. :D I've asked them if the U8500 is EOL and if so is the U9500 its replacement. I promise that I'll post the answer in this thread, if I get an answer. Nokia's device will of course have the U8500 as those chips would've been ordered months ago, before U9500 was released.
U9500 is a newer generation but probably not as far in development stage as U8500. They are from somewhat different generations and hence will overlap in time.
I was just objecting to the term EOL since the devices using U8500 have not even been announced yet therefore I think that it is a bit premature to call that platform EOL ;) But hopefully we will start seeing device announcements with this platform soon.
EDIT: btw, U8500 supports 14Mbps HSDPA whereas U9500 supports 21Mbps HSDPA.
ok, i understand your point, but accept my point:
Both CEO mentioned that there will be 1 meego device. And that still didnt changed...
The actual teaser doesnt show a model number at the end (liek the old vid you showed us) and is nothing thats looks like an advertisement i know for phone shwn in tv-spots... so this teaser is not an advertisement and not for the public audience watching american idol...
If a CEO is talking about a device, he is talking about a consumer device for the masses.
So it is really possible that this device has already been produced last year and now they want to provide it to the developer (for money or for free). The developers would have time to make some apps and then, when the real killer phone is ready for release, we will have the most needed apps ready to download...
But if you are right, nokia would launch 1 device to the masses, but that device has zero apps and nothing to show except of the build in things in the first days... Would you buy a phone without any app already written? you would have to wait days/weeks until the most important apps for you are ready? How makes this sense?
Maybe you will because you can write your own apps, dont know you, but i dont know how to write apps so i need the help of the developers... and the mass cant do it either...
Think about this...
1st, apologies if i included you in the "kiddo bunch".
haven't seen such a structured post for i don't know how many pages :o
CEO being Stefan Elop, yes, i'm sure he is (he doesn't care that much about MeeGo, does he?)
i guess you didn't go thru the whole post i referred to, so i'll explicit:
Rich Green (that's from another video i picked up on this thread, actually) has a weekly meeting w/ the MeeGo team.
even though he is not going to tell us all the nasty little details, but he explicitly said:
«we do plan to ship a device from our MeeGo program some time this year and i think it is critically important to deliver that and to get the feedback from that [...]»
the next part is a little odd
«[...]as we evaluate the feedback from MeeGo »
but considering that his sentences are a little less streamlined in that interview, maybe he meant about?
anyway, doesn't sound like "we are going to analyse the feedback from MeeGo and based on that prepare our consumer device" does it?
i'm a hacker at my hours, but most of the time i leave it to a script to "automate" things a little, thus, no, if the phone came w/ MeeGo 1.1 for mobile phone, i wouldn't want it, neither.
then again, dixit Richt Green...
«[...] it is beautiful and elegant and the hardware is interesting and the software is powerful [...]»
does that sound like MeeGo 1.1 ?
then, there is Maemo.org, the community behind Maemo (and hopefully MeeGo when it comes out on a "productive" device?)
even if the powerful software is only as basic as Maemo 5 on the N900, i'll wait for Maemo.org or MeeGo to fill in the gaps.
i'll get one ¦-)
w/ keyboard.
like i said before, if RM-680 wasn't FCC.ed for MeeGo Conf...
mikecomputing
2011-05-22, 16:38
So zehjotkah tells us the dev device won't be handed out at the conf, so what kind of announcement might be made tomorrow, zehjotkah? The official announcement of the release date of the consumer device? Or just an official introduction to it, as opposed to a leaked teaser we all wet our panties over last week? ;)
I dont think Intel would allow Nokia to release devices on conference? Btw. why would the allow anyyone? Its a conference session not a place where companys release phones.
But one thing I really hope nokia todo is to release qt-components(for meego) again. since it has been closedsource since january :(
Are you that hungry for information that you are willing to alienate everybody just to satisfy your own needs whilst sounding like an unnecessarily angry person that's unwilling to listen and learn more?
Sure you don't believe the two folks with devices. Or with connections. Want the truth? Wait. It's around the corner. If they're wrong, rub it in their faces.
i'm sure they are wrong. :cool:
thus i'm rubbing it in their faces :D
this being said, whatever their backgrounds are, posting all those idiotic question / answers about supposed features of devices that don't AND NEVER WILL exist is a sick game that has to be stopped
thus, good riddance
i'm looking forward to more (trustworthy) information from NOKIA, indeed.
and like i admitted in my reply to Brock, yes, i even learned from a video w/ Rick Green whose link was posted on this thread that R.G. has a meeting every week w/ the MeeGo team & that he obviously attaches a lot of importance to it.
based on other video w/ R.G., that comforted in my feeling that there would be only ONE device WITH KEYBOARD, indeed :D
otherwise :confused:
na, haven't found any useful information (that i was able to corroborate elsewhere or seemed credible enough to be accepted on trust's base only), yet :cool:
mikecomputing
2011-05-22, 16:43
why was the device FCC.ed if it won't be distributed (for free) coming week?
(this is not specifically directed @ you, AndyNokia232, i simply pick up the "thread")
& strikes me as an interesting question, now.
why was RM-680 FCC.ed a couple weeks ago if it wasn't for MeeGo conf.?
you know, the one w/ the keyboard, the so called developer device...
why the hell do you bother to ask this? if someone would have an answer you wouldnt beleive it anyway. Why dont you go ask Nokia instead :(
why the hell do you bother to ask this? if someone would have an answer you wouldnt beleive it anyway. Why dont you go ask Nokia instead :(
why don't you stop posting your meaningless thoughts for a little while & go get some fresh air?
maybe you'll even realize what wonderful afternoon (morning, evening, whatever...) it is.
your are obviously dumb, but not that dumb?
i'm sure they are wrong. :cool:
thus i'm rubbing it in their faces :D
this being said, whatever their backgrounds are, posting all those idiotic question / answers about supposed features of devices that don't AND NEVER WILL exist is a sick game that has to be stopped
thus, good riddance
i'm looking forward to more (trustworthy) information from NOKIA, indeed.
It´s past your bedtime. shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i'm sure they are wrong.
I don't recall you offering any proof to any of your claims, interpreted verbiage from bits of conversations, YouTube videos and other stuff that may or may not be relevant or up-to-date don't count.
Patience man. If you're proven wrong, what will you do? What are you willing to do?
i'm looking forward to more (trustworthy) information from NOKIA, indeed.
You're in luck. It's coming soon.
tomchiverton
2011-05-22, 16:53
wasnt the n900 also mentioned as "some kind of dev phone"?
I just know that it wasnt nokias "official flagship phone", that was the N97/N97mini at that time...
so it would make sense to sell it via nokia web shop or even amazon, if they have produced enough of it
Except Microsoft wont let them. Why would they want their new department^Hpartner selling an O/S that isn't Windows ?
1st, apologies if i included you in the "kiddo bunch".
haven't seen such a structured post for i don't know how many pages :o
CEO being Stefan Elop, yes, i'm sure he is (he doesn't care that much about MeeGo, does he?)
i guess you didn't go thru the whole post i referred to, so i'll explicit:
Rich Green (that's from another video i picked up on this thread, actually) has a weekly meeting w/ the MeeGo team.
even though he is not going to tell us all the nasty little details, but he explicitly said:
«we do plan to ship a device from our MeeGo program some time this year and i think it is critically important to deliver that and to get the feedback from that [...]»
the next part is a little odd
«[...]as we evaluate the feedback from MeeGo »
but considering that his sentences are a little less streamlined in that interview, maybe he meant about?
anyway, doesn't sound like "we are going to analyse the feedback from MeeGo and based on that prepare our consumer device" does it?
i'm a hacker at my hours, but most of the time i leave it to a script to "automate" things a little, thus, no, if the phone came w/ MeeGo 1.1 for mobile phone, i wouldn't want it, neither.
then again, dixit Richt Green...
«[...] it is beautiful and elegant and the hardware is interesting and the software is powerful [...]»
does that sound like MeeGo 1.1 ?
then, there is Maemo.org, the community behind Maemo (and hopefully MeeGo when it comes out on a "productive" device?)
even if the powerful software is only as basic as Maemo 5 on the N900, i'll wait for Maemo.org or MeeGo to fill in the gaps.
i'll get one ¦-)
w/ keyboard.
like i said before, if RM-680 wasn't FCC.ed for MeeGo Conf...
So basically its just lets wait and watch see if os is enough to stand on its own 2 little baby feet and has enough food (apps) availible to substain its diet amongst a pack of lions?
cmon guys.. .keep cool, this thread is positiv.. so think pink... ;) everybody has the right for his own opinion!
mikecomputing
2011-05-22, 16:56
... non stop posting by a handful of the same ppl saying the same **** over and over...
cant you guys even wait till next week...
mutual mass debating society....
lol I disagree on that one ;) We will not get the answer next week ;)
my guess is around end of June hopefully... they have to sell some new symbians before release the killner phone :)
But anyway you have a point we have to wait and see..
actual status:
Name: N950 (Dev-Device)
Release: Coming this or next week
Availability: During or after Meego Conf. via e.g. Development program, maybe later via Nokia Web-Shop and/or amazon (everybody is ok with that?)
Body: Alu-Case
Thickness: 13-14mm
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1-1,2Ghz Cortex A8 SingleCore
GPU: Omap3 DSP packages mentioned, so the SGX530 gpu
Storage: 32 or 64GB
Cam: 12MP AF (same as N8) with Dual LED-Flash
Input: touch (capazitiv), qwerty
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
N9 (Consumer-Device)
Release: Q3/2011
Availability: everywhere
Body: polycarbonate or aluminium body
Thickness: <= 10mm
Display: 4" 1280*720p
CPU: 1,2Ghz DualCore A9 (ST-Ericcson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400 (quad-core gpu)*
Storage: 64GB
Cam: 8MP AF (i still hope for 12MP AF)
Input: touch only
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
(remember, thats only a summary of the posts from this thread, so everything can change in the last seconds)
NEW
Thickness
source (german): http://meetmeego.org/2011/05/21/alles-uber-nokias-zwei-meego-gerate/
I don't recall you offering any proof to any of your claims, interpreted verbiage from bits of conversations, YouTube videos and other stuff that may or may not be relevant or up-to-date don't count.
Patience man. If you're proven wrong, what will you do? What are you willing to do?
You're in luck. It's coming soon.
pls, read a little more then just ONE post (from a poster) before replying to it
i exposed my "proof" respectively what i base my conviction on in this post
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1012793&postcount=2140
and here some elaboration
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1012870&postcount=2160
why i believe in Rich Green NOKIA CTO in charge of product development.
@ least i trust R.G. more then any (& even ALL) posters on this thread.
no offence.
mikecomputing
2011-05-22, 17:05
why don't you stop posting your meaningless thoughts for a little while & go get some fresh air?
maybe you'll even realize what wonderful afternoon (morning, evening, whatever...) it is.
your are obviously dumb, but not that dumb?
I give up on you. You just showed that you can be more than a ten year old kid. just pointless try discuss with you.
AndyNokia232
2011-05-22, 17:06
cmon guys.. .keep cool, this thread is positiv.. so think pink... ;) everybody has the right for his own opinion!
Wow, I never thought tempers would rise so high over mobile phone software and hardware! Think pink, as Brock says.
Whatever happens, whoever is right or wrong, it is looking very likely that a new successor to the N900 is being announced very soon, by Nokia.
Let's all chill and be happy about that one simple fact.
I wonder if the guys and gals over on the Huawei and Kyocera forums have this much fun... ;) hehe
pls, read a little more then just ONE post (from a poster) before replying to it
i exposed my "proof" respectively what i base my conviction on in this post
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1012793&postcount=2140
and here some elaboration
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1012870&postcount=2160
why i believe in Rich Green NOKIA CTO in charge of product development.
@ least i trust R.G. more then any (& even ALL) posters on this thread.
no offence.
i was believing in this... you remember? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kySqwZ8Ui1Q
but i understand what you want to say
actual status:
[...]
(remember, thats only a summary of the posts from this thread, so everything can change in the last seconds)
[...]
Brock,
i respect & honour your effort to bring some structure in this discussion, but i don't think that you can consider this thread as a "reliable source".
it comes down to what Shady objected, that with that kind of synthetic post you give the thread a legitimacy it simply doesn't have.
nobody (not even me, i'm the 1st to admit it) knows anything
the last post by zehjotkah, supposedly one of the most reliable poster on the thread is an confession of that.
there are no evidence of two devices, not even of one, in fact, so why trying to resume their features?
Brock,
i respect & honour your effort to bring some structure in this discussion, but i don't think that you can consider this thread as a "reliable source".
it comes down to what Shady objected, that with that kind of synthetic post you give the thread a legitimacy it simply doesn't have.
we are the source for many news sites in the internet so why not? :D im sitting bored at home, dont know what to do, so let me ;)
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 17:17
@misterc : I give up. You will only believe me when you see the device yourself or see the device. As i cannot obviously post a pic of the phone it means you will have to wait till Nokia shows it.
I have answered a few OS related questions previously , the basic hardware related questions too. Inside specs i don't know. i dont have spec sheet. only phone.
I trust Viipotaja from MR forum and have shown him the phone. If you can't believe him as well then good luck.
@misterc : If i am proven correct , what will you do after all the way you try to humiliate me and call me liar ?
guys
guys, listen.
I have the best idea
guys listen
I have the best idea ever
guys
I'll email Nokia
guys
email
I'll email Rich White
guys listen here
I'll put WINGS... on my BACK legs.
i dont get it if specs are supposed to be these have researched these and they dont appear near to be to the ones leaked on twitter that is that 120 mpolygons per second in the gpu area?
I have answered a few OS related questions previously , the basic hardware related questions too. Inside specs i don't know. i dont have spec sheet. only phone.
Is there an xterm on the phone? If so, we can give you a few commands, and then you can post the output here.
also am gonna be really geloeos if device is gonna be introduced only to meego conf developers !!!!
i think we all would agree on that (i.e those not attending conferance)!!!
:-)
Jedibeeftrix
2011-05-22, 17:27
it is not a million miles away from the 115m/triangles/sec reported here:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58568&page=3
if m/triangles and m/polys equate to the same thing.
if that is accurate then it looks to be faster than the SGX540 in the Omap4, but a lot less powerful than the Orion chip and perhaps a little less powerful than the Adreno220 gpu in qualcomms 8860 SoC .
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 17:28
Is there an xterm on the phone? If so, we can give you a few commands, and then you can post the output here.
nope no terminal access. i think it will be (installable?) but not be present by default.
mikecomputing
2011-05-22, 17:29
I have answered a few OS related questions previously , the basic hardware related questions too. Inside specs i don't know. i dont have spec sheet. only phone.
hint: open terminalapp write cat /proc/cpuinfo :D
edit: saww post about no terminalapp :( thats sucks :(
pls, read a little more then just ONE post (from a poster) before replying to it
i exposed my "proof" respectively what i base my conviction on in this post
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1012793&postcount=2140
and here some elaboration
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1012870&postcount=2160
why i believe in Rich Green NOKIA CTO in charge of product development.
@ least i trust R.G. more then any (& even ALL) posters on this thread.
no offence.
No offense taken. I'm usually the pessimist around here.
Just asking for less vitriol, more patience. I'm all about seeing who is wrong and who's right.
zehjotkah
2011-05-22, 17:34
Ah and btw. Nokia won't distribute devices at the MeeGo Conference not because they hate us or something like that, but because there are not enough devices for every attendee.
they don't want to decide who should get one and who not.
@misterc : I give up. You will only believe me when you see the device yourself or see the device. As i cannot obviously post a pic of the phone it means you will have to wait till Nokia shows it.
I have answered a few OS related questions previously , the basic hardware related questions too. Inside specs i don't know. i dont have spec sheet. only phone.
I trust Viipotaja from MR forum and have shown him the phone. If you can't believe him as well then good luck.
@misterc : If i am proven correct , what will you do after all the way you try to humiliate me and call me liar ?
IF you are proven right you'll get a public apology on this very thread.
what will i get when the N9 comes out w/ a keyboard for everyone to buy?
No offense taken. I'm usually the pessimist around here.
ROFL
made my day :D
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 17:37
IF you are proven right you'll get a public apology on this very thread.
what will i get when the N9 comes out w/ a keyboard for everyone to buy?
You have already insulted me enough here.. if i'm wrong , i will be proven a troll and liar. what more do you want ?
Ah and btw. Nokia won't distribute devices at the MeeGo Conference not because they hate us or something like that, but because there are not enough devices for every attendee.
they don't want to decide who should get one and who not.
how many attendees are there? just wondering?
*happy to see you back ;)*
Ah and btw. Nokia won't distribute devices at the MeeGo Conference not because they hate us or something like that, but because there are not enough devices for every attendee.
they don't want to decide who should get one and who not.
Honestly the thing i'm most interested at this point so this craziness can stop is when will we see RM-680/dev phone and when will we see the consumer device? Talking about announcement.
erendorn
2011-05-22, 17:42
Ah and btw. Nokia won't distribute devices at the MeeGo Conference because there are not enough devices for every attendee.
Whoah, so I guess there won't be many of them to defeat the robots :(
I'm actually more interested about the UI and OS than actual devices. We already know quite alot about the devices but very little about the UI.
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 17:45
I'm actually more interested about the UI and OS than actual devices. We already know quite alot about the devices but very little about the UI.
watch video carefully ;) and the blue dots at end with nokia mean something.
I'm actually more interested about the UI and OS than actual devices. We already know quite alot about the devices but very little about the UI.
yes, me too! I will love it to swype around ;)
remember my post ;)
http://www.birol.info/temp/n9.png
(at this moment the guy has not touched the screen yet, he will do it in the next second)
gryedouge
2011-05-22, 17:55
http://www.nokiaphones.net/tag/nokia-n9/
Have a look. There is clear reference to two devices. One that was dropped - N9 - and one that is to come - N950.
How does this factor into your point making?
watch video carefully ;) and the blue dots at end with nokia mean something.
Do you mean this?
http://www.birol.info/temp/blue1.png
http://www.birol.info/temp/blue2.png
Is this related to the way the ui is working with the open apps or how do you mean this?
http://www.nokiaphones.net/tag/nokia-n9/
Have a look. There is clear reference to two devices. One that was dropped - N9 - and one that is to come - N950.
How does this factor into your point making?
the guy on that site as no clue what hes saying.
"so it will be equipped with Symbian OS. But even Symbian might appear in two versions — Anna and MeeGo."
btw rewatch Video pause at 2 seconds you will see blurred device, Is it Even same as other device in Video? to me it looks different shape.
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 18:04
Do you mean this?
http://www.birol.info/temp/blue1.png
http://www.birol.info/temp/blue2.png
Is this related to the way the ui is working with the open apps or how do you mean this?
Yes
representing ui method. lol
Do you mean this?
http://www.birol.info/temp/blue1.png
http://www.birol.info/temp/blue2.png
Is this related to kind of way the ui is working with the open apps or how do you mean this?
As i get it it's just that the UI works like one big roller. Swiping around the apps you where last in.
Swipe left to open last app in, swipe right to open multitasking window?
Btw is the "multitasking window" we saw really about multitasking or is just bookmarks windows. Isn't he swiping from browser and opening bookmarks windows? Like it's working now.
Yes
representing ui method. lol
nice idea... like mentioned before i cant wait to see it in full action...
where do you live? i would like to visit you :D
i was believing in this... you remember? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kySqwZ8Ui1Q
but i understand what you want to say
very interesting video
wonder in how far
«a European based global eco system [...] and i thing we have a responsibility as a leading mobile company in Europe to work on that»
maybe a confirmation of what i was speculating could be NOKIA's vision?
doesn't name any names, but says a lot
that's what i call relevant information.
thank you for that
ro25anav
2011-05-22, 18:09
watch video carefully ;) and the blue dots at end with nokia mean something.
Ah, you mean an UI like this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLTLcxWnklI
The screen is devided in subwindows of a specific task.
This design is realy a new idea.
One of the promised UI innovations.
Hello, I´m now the new one here^^.
For now and the future, i´m very sorry for my poor english.
zehjotkah
2011-05-22, 18:10
ah btw. screw 720p screen resolution
but still higher than n900
sheesh I don't want to know what else **** they told me^^
watch video carefully ;) and the blue dots at end with nokia mean something.
Hmm. Only thing that comes to mind is that application open like cards on top of each other. Wipe from left to right brings up the app below and wipe from right to left bring up the app above.
Maybe there are also other gestures to quicly access application list or multitask view: swipe in upper screen brings applications, wipe in lower screen brings multitask view...
very interesting video
wonder in how far
«a European based global eco system [...] and i thing we have a responsibility as a leading mobile company in Europe to work on that»
maybe a confirmation of what i was speculating could be NOKIA's vision?
doesn't name any names, but says a lot
that's what i call relevant information.
thank you for that
i had so much hope last year due to all the things marko said to the other guy about patterns a.s.o. and then their came elop... but i also think that the ui we have seen in the newest teaser is the one he has meant at leweb. so finally he gets right! ;)
As i get it it's just that the UI works like one big roller. Swiping around the apps you where last in.
Swipe left to open last app in, swipe right to open multitasking window?
Btw is the "multitasking window" we saw really about multitasking or is just bookmarks windows. Isn't he swiping from browser and opening bookmarks windows? Like it's working now.
I happened upon some stuff by mistake and I'm happy to confirm that apps in multitasking window are live. Layout is a little different, but the thumbnail windows are live, just like in Maemo 5.
ah btw. screw 720p
Yeah, 720p sounded too good to be true. Regardless, I found the CPU and the magnetometer:
20302
ah btw. screw 720p screen resolution
but still higher than n900
sheesh I don't want to know what else **** they told me^^
what? do i have to correct my specs now? *sad*
watch video carefully ;) and the blue dots at end with nokia mean something.
mean what?
it doesn't mean anything.
you have been pounding for 100s of posts that the whole video was outdated, realised last year and that things have changed endlessly since it was done...
and now it means something...
explain that, pls?
if anything, it means you don't remember what you posted yesterday and invent a new story every day you come on line here.
ah btw. screw 720p screen resolution
but still higher than n900
sheesh I don't want to know what else **** they told me^^
I'm feeling like the SOC is the next disappointment. :p
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 18:17
All i will say is that swiping will be verry importane ... right @zehjotkah ;)
grinsekatze
2011-05-22, 18:19
If it is true that the consumer device will be based on the same SOC as Nokia's upcoming WP7 phones then this SOC will be a Qualcomm, and most likely a non-dual-core.
There won't be support for SOCs from other manufactures within the WP7 series. ST Ericsson and other are slated for 2012 and WP8.
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 18:19
@misterc Buddy please ignore my posts.
ah btw. screw 720p screen resolution
but still higher than n900
sheesh I don't want to know what else **** they told me^^
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
(how much better? 48px wider or that ******ed resolution nobody wants? 960x540 or something..?
mean what?
it doesn't mean anything.
you have been pounding for 100s of posts that the whole video was outdated, realised last year and that things have changed endlessly since it was done...
and now it means something...
explain that, pls?
if anything, it means you don't remember what you posted yesterday and invent a new story every day you come on line here.
we are talking about the actual new teaser, about nothing else
i had so much hope last year due to all the things marko said to the other guy about patterns a.s.o. and then their came elop... but i also think that the ui we have seen in the newest teaser is the one he has meant at leweb. so finally he gets right! ;)
no, Elop was already there when that presentation was made, no?
the other guy asks "you have a new CEO and (whatever)...?" and Marko replies "yes, indeed... (something)"
and he mentions se7en several times, like it's already part of the story.
confirms my feeling that there is more to come from NOKIA then LostDOS phone :D
crisscross
2011-05-22, 18:21
yes, me too! I will love it to swype around ;)
remember my post ;)
If he is not tocuhing the screen in that moment there has to be some kind of sensor(ultrasonic?) since the nest page has already started to show. Would be a nice sixth sense if swiping starts already when your finger is closing in on the edge of the screen.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
(how much better? 48px wider or that ******ed resolution nobody wants? 960x540 or something..?
854x480
..
4 inch, QHD resolution is not surpassing my Atrix. Hmm...
no, Elop was already there when that presentation was made, no?
the other guy asks "you have a new CEO and (whatever)...?" and Marko replies "yes, indeed... (something)"
and he mentions se7en several times, like it's already part of the story.
confirms my feeling that there is more to come from NOKIA then LostDOS phone :D
ok, let me correct myself:
then came the elopocalypse ;)
I'm feeling like the SOC is the next disappointment. :p
I think that disappointment has already appeard. I believe Zeh is talking about dev device regarding resolution and other stuff.
ro25anav
2011-05-22, 18:23
is the ui alike this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLTLcxWnklI
4 inch, QHD resolution is not surpassing my Atrix. Hmm...
as long as i dont see the pixel, it will be sharp enough...
720p would be great, but higher resolution means less fps... so qHD would be good, but please nothing lower then that
we are talking about the actual new teaser, about nothing else
are we talking about the teaser that was online for about three days before being taken offline upon NOKIA's request?
sorry, the phone in there was manufactured too quickly last year & is excess inventory NOKIA doesn't know how to get ride of.
the UI is outdated and not what will come out on the MeeGo device.
so why all of a sudden is it holder of the holly truth?
is the ui alike this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLTLcxWnklI
i think you can say yes, but a little bit different. In the vid you have 3 "tabs", on the phone you will have only one tab, but you will see a little bit of the next tab at the right bezel (see my post before)
imho
zehjotkah
2011-05-22, 18:28
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
(how much better? 48px wider or that ******ed resolution nobody wants? 960x540 or something..?
All I was told first was the 720p stuff.
Now it was "not 720p but higher than the N900"
Koajwujwer123 confirmed that some minutes ago.
I don't know what the resolution will be, as I didn't pay attention when I had the device.
Too busy to play with the UI.
are we talking about the teaser that was online for about three days before being taken offline upon NOKIA's request?
sorry, the phone in there was manufactured too quickly last year & is excess inventory NOKIA doesn't know how to get ride of.
the UI is outdated and not what will come out on the MeeGo device.
so why all of a sudden is it holder of the holly truth?
i think the ui i can see in the teaser isnt outdated. i cant see much, but what i can see (my example with the gallery) looks good to me.
EDIT:
Sorry, i mean "looks great to me" ;)
ok, let me correct myself:
then came the elopocalypse ;)
like i said more or less explicitly before, Elop may have been invited for a reason, reviving wp7 (by facilitating the collaboration between NOKIA and m$)
it doesn't mean NOKIA won't produce other phones in the future.
better phones, but that's unavoidable if the phone is running LostDOS :D
no matter how good the hw is :(
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 18:32
All I was told first was the 720p stuff.
Now it was "not 720p but higher than the N900"
Koajwujwer123 confirmed that some minutes ago.
I don't know what the resolution will be, as I didn't pay attention when I had the device.
Too busy to play with the UI.
Yup.. see point is , it is very sharp UI. 854 pixels wide i think.
Niche Market? Niche? Hmm... :confused:
I read this word very often the last pages as excuse for the missing Keyboard. I wonder since when NOKIA has a problem to produce something for a niche market? I tought they took a u-turn back in February to take over a niche marked. Haven't they?! :confused:
Why else are they going to take over the small Windows Phone 7 market? :confused:
For me it's hard to understand. In my opinion Nokia should try to find a niche between the 3 successful systems Android, iOS and Symbian.
Blackberry found their niche, HP trying to find their market. Perhaps picking up the geeks would get successful in the long therm. But perhaps I found my mistake myself. Management is more interested in short therm profits instead of a healty business. :rolleyes:
I don't belief trying to grab some slate Android customers will end successful... I guess they are getting rather frustrated.
Perhaps, a snap on Bluetooth keyboard (induction powered) would be a good idea. But I wonder if this keyboard could work without a already running kernel? (uboot at example)
like i said more or less explicitly before, Elop may have been invited for a reason, reviving wp7 (by facilitating the collaboration between NOKIA and m$)
it doesn't mean NOKIA won't produce other phones in the future.
better phones, but that's unavoidable if the phone is running LostDOS :D
no matter how good the hw is :(
i fully agree
crisscross
2011-05-22, 18:35
All these hints about "swipes is important" and the dots in the video.Is it Nokia Nautilus gesture sensor that buzzed a couple of years ago revived?
i think the ui i can see in the teaser isnt outdated. i cant see much, but what i can see (my example with the gallery) looks good to me.
don't preach to a converted...
i'm saying this video was leaked on purpose by NOKIA, left three days online so everybody (who cared) had a chance to see it and then taken off line to make it look like it was something confidential, ppl weren't supposed to (have) see(n)
they knew perfectly well there would be copies around, so the removing wasn't about "removing"; it was an AD trick to rise expectations.
worked perfectly
i maintain that the device we see in that clip will be the N9 we will all be able to buy in a few months, with keyboard. :cool:
don't preach to a converted...
i'm saying this video was leaked on purpose by NOKIA, left three days online so everybody (who cared) had a chance to see it and then taken off line to make it look like it was something confidential, ppl weren't supposed to (have) see(n)
they knew perfectly well there would be copies around, so the removing wasn't about "removing"; it was an AD trick to rise expectations.
worked perfectly
i maintain that the device we see in that clip will be the N9 we will all be able to buy in a few months, with keyboard. :cool:
leaked by nokia = possible
consumer phone with keyboard = i dont know, time will tell
leaked by nokia = possible
consumer phone with keyboard = i dont know, time will tell
you are sceptical, that's okay
have faith ;)
@k123
how sure are you that your device will be the one we will get regarding the specs. do you think that it is possible that we get eg the 12mp cam or another display then you have?
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 18:50
@k123
how sure are you that your device will be the one we will get regarding the specs. do you think that it is possible that we get eg the 12mp cam or another display then you have?
This is what i've been told. Simple as that. I know that the other one obviously exists and it has last years specs.
What i've always wanted to say is that the keyboard less phone exists. And that we've been told internally that this is the one that normal consumers will get. (Doesn't make sense to give it to developers does it ?)
Above that it is obviously company head's call but i'm pretty sure of what i'm saying. I spoke to zehjotkah via PM and what we know coincides so i would be quite confident in saying that the qwerty phone is for developers.
What I gather from this thread is that the NConsumerWhatever is going to be an awesome phone with eyedropping candy UI. However, it is not going to be the successor for my customisable, open pocket computer which I have been waiting. I hope to be proven wrong.
last spec sheet for today
Name: N950 (Dev-Device)
Release: Coming this or next week
Availability: During or after Meego Conf. via e.g. Development program, maybe later via Nokia Web-Shop and/or amazon (everybody is ok with that?)
Body: Alu-Case
Thickness: 13-14mm
Display: 4" 854x480 or 960x540
CPU: 1-1,2Ghz Cortex A8 SingleCore
GPU: Omap3 DSP packages mentioned, so the SGX530 gpu
Storage: 32 or 64GB
Cam: 12MP AF (same as N8) with Dual LED-Flash
Input: touch (capazitiv), qwerty
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
N9 (Consumer-Device)
Release: Q3/2011
Availability: everywhere
Body: polycarbonate or aluminium body
Thickness: <= 10mm
Display: 4" 854x480 or 960x540 (still hope for 1280*720p)
CPU: 1,2Ghz DualCore A9 (ST-Ericsson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400 (1-4 cores)
Storage: 64GB
Cam: 8MP AF (i still hope for 12MP AF)
Input: touch only
OS: Meego (Harmatten)
UI: Nokia Next Sense
So, good night to all.. see you tomorrow... with good news i hope...
K123,
I dont doubt the information you are providing, however can you clarify what you mean by "It doesnt make sense to give the non-keyboard one to developers?"
Are you saying that all developers, develop directly on the phone coding on the really small keyboard and that non-developers do not like having physical keyboards to type text messages, emails, web addresses etc???
Very bizarre statement, there are a lot of very popular consumer smart phones which have keyboards on the market currently so why should this be any different?
Other than what you say about the keyboard device having lower specs I dont see any issues and at that yourself and others have confirmed that it is still buttery smooth!
The information you guys are teasing us with is good to know however until Nokia publically come clean about these device(s) we will not know for sure... Until then I think there are a lot of expectant and hopeful people watching this blog and waiting on a great N900 replacement!
Also I fail to see why giving the consumer the choice between a keyboard or a keyboard-less device is a huge issue - let the consumer decide what is best for them and make some more money out of the release...
May not be perceived as such a Niche device if multiple consumer ready devices are released. If they are worried about the hardware on the "developer" device, I think from what everyone saw on the teaser it looks fantastic and bar the N8 there are no real competitors on the camera front!
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 19:05
What I gather from this thread is that the NConsumerWhatever is going to be an awesome phone with eyedropping candy UI. However, it is not going to be the successor for my customisable, open pocket computer which I have been waiting. I hope to be proven wrong.
It is very different from the N900. Maybe even too different. But it is Nokia's answer to Android and iOS. Its a different matter that it is experimental. This OS stands a chance against all others but will it be given another chance depends on how many phones Nokia sells.
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 19:07
K123,
I dont doubt the information you are providing, however can you clarify what you mean by "It doesnt make sense to give the non-keyboard one to developers?"
Are you saying that all developers, develop directly on the phone coding on the really small keyboard and that non-developers do not like having physical keyboards to type text messages, emails, web addresses etc???
Stupid statement on my part i think. What i mean. Small production already done. Give it to dev. Not enough for normal users as it is and no second production run.
Niche Market? Niche? Hmm... :confused:
I read this word very often the last pages as excuse for the missing Keyboard. I wonder since when NOKIA has a problem to produce something for a niche market? I tought they took a u-turn back in February to take over a niche marked. Haven't they?! :confused:
Why else are they going to take over the small Windows Phone 7 market? :confused:
For me it's hard to understand. In my opinion Nokia should try to find a niche between the 3 successful systems Android, iOS and Symbian.
Blackberry found their niche, HP trying to find their market. Perhaps picking up the geeks would get successful in the long therm. But perhaps I found my mistake myself. Management is more interested in short therm profits instead of a healty business. :rolleyes:
I don't belief trying to grab some slate Android customers will end successful... I guess they are getting rather frustrated.
Perhaps, a snap on Bluetooth keyboard (induction powered) would be a good idea. But I wonder if this keyboard could work without a already running kernel? (uboot at example)
Helmuth,
take a deep breath and look thru the video Brock provided the link of
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1012947&postcount=2202
i'm convinced what Marko Ahtisaari (SVP Design, Nokia) said in Paris last year still holds (and ANDroid still is a no go).
Symbian is running out of steam, but it is still 1.300.000.000 devices heavy; that means a LOT of innertia, rolling, rolling, rolling
they sold 4'000'000 N8s so far
rotten iPotatos has only really one device at one moment.
if NOKIA sells a couple millions units of every Symbian smartphone they release in the next couple years, they have time to adjust ¦-))))))
wp7 isn't a "niche market"
it is most likely the dominant smart phone OS within a few years, mostly because companies are very keen to have one OS from (file & print) server to smartphone. that can all be managed centrally from one Service Management Server for updates and authorisations and e-mails and anything else.
and if, on top of that, the smartphones in question use the same CPU architecture then the servers (Intel) and it is possible to distribute literally the same OS on all devices, that makes for economies of scales no company would want to miss.
or not have a part in, no?
and if it isn't going to be wp7, it'll be wp8
m$ has the $$$$ to stay mean & lean for a cycle or two and as we have seen on the PC market, it took them over 10 yrs to get it right and meanwhile they are the biggest software company in the world.
makes sense to work together w/ them.
even if IBM is a living testimony of how NOT to make it :mad:
Dell is an example of how it can work
obviously, NOKIA is neither IBM nor Dell, but then NOKIA and m$ are starting their collaboration under different auspices altogether (two mature dominant companies in their respective market; they can learn from each other)
last spec sheet for today
N9 (Consumer-Device)
Release: Q3/2011
Availability: everywhere
Body: polycarbonate or aluminium body
Thickness: <= 10mm
Display: 4" 854x480 or 960x540 (still hope for 1280*720p)
CPU: 1,2Ghz DualCore A9 (ST-Ericsson U8500)
GPU: Mali-400 (1-4 cores)
Storage: 64GB or 32GB
.
cpu can also be single core A8. zehjotkah was just assuming it is u8500.
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 19:12
i can't confirm this but i think single core. still smooth ui and all so not bothered.
Somehow i knew this was coming. :D
Just like i said probably OMAP3 for the consumer device as well.
who cares if it’s single or dual core (besides marketing)? we are still talking about a smartphone and as long as this won’t replace a desktop pc i am fine with the performance of A8.
who cares if it’s single or dual core (besides marketing)? we are still talking about a smartphone and as long as this won’t replace a desktop pc i am fine with the performance of A8.
It's great you are. I'm not going to bash you for it being enough for your use.
But imo this device should prove Nokia can still be top in the game like they where 3-4 years ago. Plus i want that HDMI out that can push 1080. There's plenty of phones out for that already.
brandonc
2011-05-22, 19:26
if the consumer device doesnt have a dual core, im going to try my hardest to get my hands on the dev version. f that nokia...
It's great you are. I'm not going to bash you for it being enough for your use.
But imo this device should prove Nokia can still be top in the game like they where 3-4 years ago. Plus i want that HDMI out that can push 1080. There's plenty of phones out for that already.
1080p output is nice indeed, that would be the only downside (for me). but maybe by adding a strong gpu there is still the possibility of having one core cpu and 1080p output. i thing broadcom has a nice gpu which can handle 1080p.
EDIT: i mean this one Broadcom BCM2763
totten iPotatos has only really one device at one moment.
if NOKIA sells a couple millions units of every Symbian smartphone they release in the next couple years, they have time to adjust ¦-))))))
Untrue, apple makes sure their latest iOS support at least two latest devices (e.g. iphone 3gs + iphone 4).
See more at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices
In reality this means the users of previous generation are not left out which happens regularly with nokia.
wp7 isn't a "niche market"
it is most likely the dominant smart phone OS within a few years, mostly because companies are very keen to have one OS from (file & print) server to smartphone. that can all be managed centrally from one Service Management Server for updates and authorisations and e-mails and anything else.
and if, on top of that, the smartphones in question use the same CPU architecture then the servers (Intel) and it is possible to distribute literally the same OS on all devices, that makes for economies of scales no company would want to miss.
or not have a part in, no?
Where did you get this idea? Let me give you an example:
Remember Java slogan "Run once execute everywhere", well it is simply marketing over-simplification. I don't see how server and phone architecture relate to provide sam OS on all devices.
watch video carefully ;) and the blue dots at end with nokia mean something.
windows xp?
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who cares if it’s single or dual core (besides marketing)? we are still talking about a smartphone and as long as this won’t replace a desktop pc i am fine with the performance of A8.
yeah we've seen the atrix vs the N8
who cares if it’s single or dual core (besides marketing)? we are still talking about a smartphone and as long as this won’t replace a desktop pc i am fine with the performance of A8.
If someone should care, its Nokia.
Nokia has been taking alot of fire for the past years for that inability to keep up technologically(N97,N8). If Nokia will push this phone big time into the market without having decent specs to be proud about, no shiny UI will save them. Especially if they'll price it at the top.
If Nokia didnt understand that they need a powerful machine in order to ride all the critics out then i foresee a very dark future for Nokia.
Just for the record, I dont care about the specs...if i feel that the pricing matching it, i might buy. However, If Nokia aim in expending their meego user base(i am not quite sure they do) they will fail.
ITS ALL ABOUT IMAGE
mikecomputing
2011-05-22, 20:00
It is very different from the N900. Maybe even too different. But it is Nokia's answer to Android and iOS. Its a different matter that it is experimental. This OS stands a chance against all others but will it be given another chance depends on how many phones Nokia sells.
It will not given that chance, simply because the deal with Microsoft...
I would be suprised if there is a deal between Microsoft and Nokia how many Meego phones theyr are allowed to sell...
Just look at the PC market how dominant Microsoft is there. There is no company who sells Linux computers today.
Just another example: HP planed to have WebOS(Linuxbased) on stationary computers but only on top of already installed Windows :mad:
Koajwujwer123
2011-05-22, 20:12
It will not given that chance, simply because the deal with Microsoft...
I would be suprised if there is a deal between Microsoft and Nokia how many Meego phones theyr are allowed to sell...
Just look at the PC market how dominant Microsoft is there. There is no company who sells Linux computers today.
Just another example: HP planed to have WebOS(Linuxbased) on stationary computers but only on top of already installed Windows :mad:
Lets see how that goes. I'd like this to be successful. But that decision is not in my hands lol
i dont give a **** about the cpu.
i seen n900 outperforming WP7, and android running same game (need for speed) and even was using WebOS version.
while it can play 1080p with easy.
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