View Full Version : The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
nwerneck
2011-06-08, 21:35
Closed development is not a big issue to me. I want an open _product_ in the end, that I can fix/modify, etc. The problem is Nokia is moving too slow... Makes you wanna see the damn thing right now!! :(
EDIT: well, we did see it!! Two devices already. :(:(:(:(:mad::mad::mad::mad:
1337INT13H
2011-06-08, 21:38
Besides they don't really work that well. Olephobic coatings - that is, in my experience they are just as susceptible to attracting finger prints.
1337INT13H
2011-06-08, 21:41
The teaser ad. Why did the back of the device look different to the actual N9 KB proto?
http://nokiagadgets.com/?p=1509
"thinking big creating trylly global mobile ecosystem"
Just wonder what MrFlop means.....
I just wanna throw out a wild idea.
Didn´t Mr Elop say that Nokia can do anything they want with windows phone?
First thing I came to think about when reading that was. Isn´t QT more or less windows phone compatible? Wouldn´t that be a truly global mobile ecosystem, when you can develop apps for Windows phone, symbian and meego easily?
Creamy Goodness
2011-06-08, 21:43
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/03/03/technology/bits-suepatent2/bits-suepatent2-blogSpan.jpg
http://media.economist.com/images/images-magazine/2010/10/23/wb/20101023_wbc910.gif
http://duncanhartconsulting.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/lawsuits-in-mobile-phone-business.jpg
http://ixplizit.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/image.png
no comment...
think you're safe because you're not a major manufacturer?
wrong (http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/05/lodsys-sues-7-app-developers-in-eastern.html).
1337INT13H
2011-06-08, 21:46
That's what I like about the Meego Harmattan device. I think Nokia's ideas with their new ecosystem is to integrate & have all apps writtent to run on any platform - convergence don't know where WP7 comes into that aspect of it tho?
1337INT13H
2011-06-08, 21:49
So who actually has seen the device then. I've haven't been recently here since before yest following the thread & this site from pages 442?? Is there any chance I can see the device. Can pics be emailed?? pretty pls??
quipper8
2011-06-08, 21:50
Besides they don't really work that well. Olephobic coatings - that is, in my experience they are just as susceptible to attracting finger prints.
Then why pine for a device with it if you realize it is BS?
1337INT13H
2011-06-08, 21:55
hey quipper8 the olephobic coating is not of interest to me?? :)
Creamy Goodness
2011-06-08, 22:00
So who actually has seen the device then. I've haven't been recently here since before yest following the thread & this site from pages 442?? Is there any chance I can see the device. Can pics be emailed?? pretty pls??
ugh
says the guy with 59 posts that joined 2 months ago.
please don't even ask.
1337INT13H
2011-06-08, 22:03
So any clues as to what microprocessor core might be in the harmattan device??
1337INT13H
2011-06-08, 22:06
Have you seen the device creamy goodness? So I know I don't hold a right to see the device. But if it's close the the "U" concept device it looks beautiful
HaugMedia
2011-06-08, 22:08
Does this confirm the Dali and Lankku?
http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-June/483361.html
Creamy Goodness
2011-06-08, 22:11
Have you seen the device creamy goodness?
noooooooo
I don't want to either. Maybe a little bit, but I'd much rather hold the thing in my hand, than stare at some picture that doesn't really show you much. Same with the CPU, I don't care about the specs, mhz, cores, whatever. It just needs good battery life and a better task scheduler than the maemo one.
Have you seen the device creamy goodness? So I know I don't hold a right to see the device. But if it's close the the "U" concept device it looks beautiful
Have you seen my summary in my sig below?
It does indeed look like the concept design.
But button and camera locations are different.
Also, we wish we knew what SoC it uses.
We are hoping it's STE U8500 though....
1337INT13H
2011-06-08, 22:18
well, I can comfortably run 28 tasks on mine before it breaks into a sweat. Shows Android + Symbian the door!!
Battery life is a must. Seeing that Samsung are leading the way with 1600MAH + capacitites. Nokia hope they innovate here! because its not ou of the realm for 1500, 1600, 1800MAH.
1337INT13H
2011-06-08, 22:23
Have you seen my summary in my sig below?
It does indeed look like the concept design.
But button and camera locations are different.
Also, we wish we knew what SoC it uses.
We are hoping it's STE U8500 though....
Yeah hope so too! You say button & cam loc r dif. Do you mean Menu Button is not loc on the front.
Makes sense because Meego doesn't need hard menu key does it?? N900 didn't.
So cam button probably somewhere on outer sides of device then.
Do yoy know if it get "CBD" AMOLED or QHD display???
People, have you been watching stocks lately?
By the time they announce this "wonder" phone, there may not be Nokia any more. :(
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/03/03/technology/bits-suepatent2/bits-suepatent2-blogSpan.jpg
http://media.economist.com/images/images-magazine/2010/10/23/wb/20101023_wbc910.gif
http://duncanhartconsulting.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/lawsuits-in-mobile-phone-business.jpg
http://ixplizit.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/image.png
no comment...
think you're safe because you're not a major manufacturer?
wrong (http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/05/lodsys-sues-7-app-developers-in-eastern.html).
N O K I A
suing people
Yeah hope so too! You say button & cam loc r dif. Do you mean Menu Button is not loc on the front.
So cam button probably somewhere on outer sides of device then.
Do yoy know if it get "CBD" AMOLED or QHD display???
Yes, there is no home button on the front. From the photo I have, I cannot see the camera button. It seems it might be flat to the body like the N8/E7 maybe. But I can see that it has a volume up/down button and a power button in a similar fashion to the N900 on the right side.
I have no idea about its display. Can't tell from the photo.
But my gut feeling is that it's a 4" FWVGA CBD AMOLED.
uppercase
2011-06-08, 23:59
If you use camkeyd to bring up the task switcher, you still have to select the thumbnail afterwards.
No you don't. You can switch between tasks with this command:
matchbox-remote -next
somedude
2011-06-09, 00:02
this thread is making me less productive at work/..
quipper8
2011-06-09, 00:31
So cam button probably somewhere on outer sides of device then.
no, it is on inner sides of device :(:rolleyes: you have to remove two screws to take a pic
No you don't. You can switch between tasks with this command:
matchbox-remote -next
lol. I dunno why I forgot about this. I even had it set to my long half-ress using shortcutd's custom shell command already!
nwerneck
2011-06-09, 01:33
no, it is on inner sides of device :(:rolleyes: you have to remove two screws to take a pic
@zjk @k123 can you say if the screw heads to uncover the camera button are Torx or Pozidriv??? :confused:
@zjk @k123 can you say if the screw heads to uncover the camera button are Torx or Pozidriv??? :confused:
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha lolllll o my god :D:D:D im working on a hotel nigth they must be heard me at the lust floor :eek::D
edit: you just need this http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/8cff/ :cool:
sjgadsby
2011-06-09, 02:08
im working on a hotel nigth they must be heard me at the lust floor
You're in a hotel with a lust floor? Are the other floors strictly non-lust?
Sorry about my misspelling :o i meant until !!
Has this thread already dried up?
We need more leaks, rumours, leaks, insiders etc etc!
btw, some of the apps in the launcher that I could see from the pic I got:
(Including standard apps such as Gallery, Camera, Contacts, Phone etc)
- OVI Store (Hope it will be a proper Qt written store client app)
- OVI Music
- OVI Maps & Drive (glad it has proper Nokia navigation this time)
- Facebook
- Twiiter
- Internet
- Feeds
- Mail
- Notes
- Documents
- Videos
- Music
- Calculator
- Clock
- Search
The launcher is 4 columns and displays 5.5 rows of icons. Scrolling vertically. The bottom of the phone has a large sphere shaped speaker grille also. If this is indeed the speaker, I wonder if the top of the phone has another to make it stereo? Considering the front camera is on the bottom right of the phone, I expect video calls to be possibly made in horizontal fashion so maybe it does have stereo speakers top/bottom to accomodate the horizontal use of the phone? Hmm.
Feeds? Documents? Cool.
I would say the phone has a pretty nice selectons of bult in apps. Are these it? Or are there more pages you couldnt see?
I wonder how much Linux is left on this phone? Seems vey consumer orinted to me...
Koajwujwer123
2011-06-09, 05:03
Timo ronkainen (ceo of TradeDoubler_FI) said that he saw elop using a very thin black wm7 phone, with a center rear camera and looking a lot like the concepts out there. If thats the story then the one at the event that some people speculate was a keyboardless N9 is only a wm7 phone :)
Nokia have 1 WP proto with almost same design as MeeGo phone
nwerneck
2011-06-09, 05:17
I wonder how much Linux is left on this phone? Seems vey consumer orinted to me...
So Linux means "non-consumer"? How are the icons of the "non-consumer" "Linux" device?
modprobe
gdb
awk
bash
screen
netcat
hexdump
grub
:p
Yeah, sorry, but I am pretty sure there is still a lot of Linux left in the device, yes. There is Linux, _and_ there is a calculator, a calendar, etc apps. No this is not a paradox, get used to it.
In news today: Rich Green has left Nokia due to dispute regarding MeeGo
in Finnish: http://www.taloussanomat.fi/informaatioteknologia/2011/06/09/hs-nokian-teknologiajohtaja-jatti-yhtion/20118123/12
wow, thats big news. sad sad sad day. linux tablets have died.
In news today: Rich Green has left Nokia due to dispute regarding MeeGo
in Finnish: http://www.taloussanomat.fi/informaatioteknologia/2011/06/09/hs-nokian-teknologiajohtaja-jatti-yhtion/20118123/12
Not good.
It seems that Rich Green still isn't fond of Microsoft. In 2004 he left Sun because of the Microsoft deal. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/05/suns_java_prince_refuses_redmond/
Not a Big Loss he as barely been in the Role a year
Not a Big Loss he as barely been in the Role a year
You are wrong. His name stands out (Java & Sun Microsystems). The fate of his former company still remains as a bad memory, and not all consequences have occurred.
If he leaves, it means he does not have the confidence.
Bear in mind that he is very close to the Elop(but obviously he is not a trustee), and knows certainly much more about Nokia issue than us.
Let us watch how this affects the stocks.
zehjotkah
2011-06-09, 06:12
Good morning everyone! :)
xxMurdakillxx
2011-06-09, 06:19
Good morning everyone! :)
So Zeh,
is the display in your opinion of first glimpse on par with the iPhone 4 screen?
xxMurdakillxx
2011-06-09, 06:20
And by the way I love you for the information.
Back on topic and speculating about announcement.
Nokian in Marketing just posted this on twitter.
"a BIG month it will be"
"the only counting u should be doing is counting down the days to the mid-end of the month... ;) many a thing incoming."
https://twitter.com/#!/_Ant1_
What does "mid-end of month" mean?
paweltrzpis
2011-06-09, 07:02
is anyone from here attending Open Mobile Summit in London?
'Keynote: Thinking big: Creating a truly global mobile ecosystem
Stephen Elop, CEO, Nokia'
clearly it will all WP blessing again but would be interesting if something falls out of his pocket that isnt WP..... ;)
Edit: btw it starts in just under hour and a half
paweltrzpis
2011-06-09, 07:10
What does "mid-end of month" mean?
21/06 will do like a mid-end to me ;)
zehjotkah
2011-06-09, 07:23
So Zeh,
is the display in your opinion of first glimpse on par with the iPhone 4 screen?
I can't even tell the difference (in pixel) between the N900 and the iPhone 4! :D
Here we go. The N9 consumer device screen... thats must be the technology they uses for it to "replace" the keyboard.
as zehjotkah posted on his blog (meetmeego.org (http://meetmeego.org/2011/06/07/so-sieht-nokias-meegoharmattan-gerat-aus/)) :
Mit “Glas” und “verglasung” meinen wir nicht unbedingt den Werkstoff Glas, der aus Sand hergestellt wird, sondern einfach nur die durchsichtige Schicht über dem Bildschirm. Diese ist bei dem Gerät sehr wichtig, da sie eine physikalische Tastatur relativ überflüssig macht. Mehr wird nicht verraten.
english:
With "glass" and "glazing" we mean not necessarily the material glass that is made of sand, but simply the transparent layer over the screen. This is very important for the device, because there's no need for a physical keyboard anymore.
Now check out this
http://research.nokia.com/biblio
Conference
Material Choices For Electro-tactile Haptic Interfaces
MRS Spring Meeting 2011
Paul Beecher; Zoran Radivojevic; Piers Andrew; Chris Bower; Samiul Haque; Darryl Cotton
Abstract: We present a robust, thin and optically transparent interface structure that can be overlaid unobtrusively on top of a display screen. This structure acts as an electrotactile system that directly delivers localized and visually correlated tactile information to the user’s skin, enabling graphic tactile feedback. The device structure operates at very low current level (< 10µA) and with potentials in the range of tens of volts, which is a significant improvement on current electrotactile paradigms. The proposed structure doubles as an input and output device in assisting the user interaction with a touch screen display. The technology is based on electrovibration, in which touch receptors in the skin can be deceived into perceiving texture when a fingertip is swiped across an insulating layer above a metal surface carrying an alternating potential. This effect is due to the varying electrostatic attraction between the conductor and the deeper, liquid-rich conducting layers of the skin – an effect which changes the perceived dynamic friction. Complex stimulation patterns, involving the mixing of multiple AC frequency components (10Hz – 500Hz) and the actuation of several electrodes simultaneously, may allow for the generation of an unprecedented range of “haptic illusions”. These may range from the emulation of real touch sensations, to completely new patterns of tactile feedback, and new ways of interacting with electronic devices. This solution also overcomes the need for the physical displacement of mechanical parts and is therefore several orders-of-magnitude more energetically efficient in providing real time feedback to the user. Our work tackles the expected evolution of mobile devices and displays towards flexible and compliant form factors. Our concept implementation is based on the use of novel nanomaterials and structures that are compatible with the requirements for these new technologies. Conductors that are simultaneously flexible, conductive and transparent have been investigated, ranging from wide-bandgap oxide materials to carbon nanostructures, e.g., carbon nanotube networks and graphene, and also include silver nanowire networks and thin metal grids. These conductors can all be deposited on flexible substrates, and uniformly coated with appropriate dielectric materials. Much focus has been on high-k amorphous oxide materials such as hafnia, but, barium titanate and parylene have also been used. The exploration of an extensive materials library necessitates use of a number different fabrication techniques including sputtering, vacuum deposition, and various solution methods and printing techniques. In addition, the inclusion of scratch resistant, hydrophobic and oleophobic materials on the top surface to combine electrical insulation, scratch resistance and stain/water/fingerprint repellence in a single finishing layer helps maintain and protect a pristine display surface.
by the way: the device will have FWVGA resolution (854 x 480 pixels)
This make sense from what i saw ;-) , 6 x 4 Icons on the screen (a total of 24 icons), means it must have about twice as much pixels as a Symbian 3 device (640 x 360, 4 x 3 Icons, total of 12 )
Here we go. The N9 consumer device screen... thats must be the technology they uses for it to "replace" the keyboard.
as zehjotkah posted on his blog (meetmeego.org (http://meetmeego.org/2011/06/07/so-sieht-nokias-meegoharmattan-gerat-aus/)) :
Mit “Glas” und “verglasung” meinen wir nicht unbedingt den Werkstoff Glas, der aus Sand hergestellt wird, sondern einfach nur die durchsichtige Schicht über dem Bildschirm. Diese ist bei dem Gerät sehr wichtig, da sie eine physikalische Tastatur relativ überflüssig macht. Mehr wird nicht verraten.
english:
With "glass" and "glazing" we mean not necessarily the material glass that is made of sand, but simply the transparent layer over the screen. This is very important for the device, because there's no need for a physical keyboard anymore.
Now check out this
http://research.nokia.com/biblio
Conference
Material Choices For Electro-tactile Haptic Interfaces
MRS Spring Meeting 2011
Paul Beecher; Zoran Radivojevic; Piers Andrew; Chris Bower; Samiul Haque; Darryl Cotton
Abstract: We present a robust, thin and optically transparent interface structure that can be overlaid unobtrusively on top of a display screen. This structure acts as an electrotactile system that directly delivers localized and visually correlated tactile information to the user’s skin, enabling graphic tactile feedback. The device structure operates at very low current level (< 10µA) and with potentials in the range of tens of volts, which is a significant improvement on current electrotactile paradigms. The proposed structure doubles as an input and output device in assisting the user interaction with a touch screen display. The technology is based on electrovibration, in which touch receptors in the skin can be deceived into perceiving texture when a fingertip is swiped across an insulating layer above a metal surface carrying an alternating potential. This effect is due to the varying electrostatic attraction between the conductor and the deeper, liquid-rich conducting layers of the skin – an effect which changes the perceived dynamic friction. Complex stimulation patterns, involving the mixing of multiple AC frequency components (10Hz – 500Hz) and the actuation of several electrodes simultaneously, may allow for the generation of an unprecedented range of “haptic illusions”. These may range from the emulation of real touch sensations, to completely new patterns of tactile feedback, and new ways of interacting with electronic devices. This solution also overcomes the need for the physical displacement of mechanical parts and is therefore several orders-of-magnitude more energetically efficient in providing real time feedback to the user. Our work tackles the expected evolution of mobile devices and displays towards flexible and compliant form factors. Our concept implementation is based on the use of novel nanomaterials and structures that are compatible with the requirements for these new technologies. Conductors that are simultaneously flexible, conductive and transparent have been investigated, ranging from wide-bandgap oxide materials to carbon nanostructures, e.g., carbon nanotube networks and graphene, and also include silver nanowire networks and thin metal grids. These conductors can all be deposited on flexible substrates, and uniformly coated with appropriate dielectric materials. Much focus has been on high-k amorphous oxide materials such as hafnia, but, barium titanate and parylene have also been used. The exploration of an extensive materials library necessitates use of a number different fabrication techniques including sputtering, vacuum deposition, and various solution methods and printing techniques. In addition, the inclusion of scratch resistant, hydrophobic and oleophobic materials on the top surface to combine electrical insulation, scratch resistance and stain/water/fingerprint repellence in a single finishing layer helps maintain and protect a pristine display surface.
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Metsämies
2011-06-09, 08:07
wow, thats big news. sad sad sad day. linux tablets have died.
Green is "on holiday". If Elop resigns, Green can come back. I hope, that Elop will get fired soon. He had destroyed Nokia and shareholders value.
another patent:
nice touchscreen technologies... #justsayin
;)
edit:
thank you all for your answers. Really helpful insight.
Is there many new patents in the phone?
Nokia will be dead in several years, guys. Face it.
As well as SE and probably moto (though domestic market can help).
That's where economy goes. So, for now let's just hope that N950 will be good as hell and releases quickly, so we can use for a 2-3 years.
I think think the flies are already at the scene.
They better announce it fast, or there may not be anybody to make an announcement.
The most likely fate of N9(50) is/are to become collector's item(s).
The most likely fate of N9(50) is/are to become collector's item(s).
If somebody has expected something else after WP announcement i'm surprised.
If somebody has expected something else after WP announcement i'm surprised.
That is true, but I did not mean that. The way the things are going now I think we may end up with lower production volume if at all.
How many prototypes have been produced so far?
Is mass production in progress? (this could affect stocks)
That is true, but I did not mean that. The way the things are going now I think we may end up with lower production volume if at all.
How many prototypes have been produced so far?
Is mass production in progress? (this could affect stocks)
Nokia will survive easily till N9.
I don't think you need to worry about that. While there's overload of gloomy news(much of it is rightly so) it's good to remember that Nokia made 200 million euros more profits last Q than HTC and got a bit over 10 billion euros of cash reserves.
We are still far from Moto and SE losing money for years, but heading there if things don't change. Talking about not being operational is a bit too early. ;)
IF this N9 really is so groundbreaking, and also IF it gets a wide adoption (by wide, I only mean that all manufactured units, be them low or even lower are quickly sold), then MAYBE the board will reconsidering the current strategy and position WP7 as "another" platform instead of "THE" platform upon which to produce their handsets... Too many IFs here, IMO.
OTOH, maybe an acquisition by Sammy would reposition Meego as a true platform, who knows... That would be funny, to be purchased by a rival and that they would take Meego to where Nokia dreamed to... :)
So there will be no Gorilla Glass but something else that make it FREAKING AWESOME ? Like when I touch it, it touch me back and we can share funny thoughts together ? Now this is good enough to not care about unicorns.
zehjotkah
2011-06-09, 10:05
Samsung buying Nokia? nope
Samsung interested in MeeGo? hell, yes.
Gorilla Glass: I haven't said that it isn't glass. Just that I didn't meant specifically any sort of glass.
when this phone will be on the market our mission is to help nokia to sell a lot so maybe elop will decide to produce new hamanattan/meego phone instead of abandon meego for Windowsuckphonesheetsevensucksheet :D
Samsung buying Nokia? nope
Samsung interested in MeeGo? hell, yes.
Gorilla Glass: I haven't said that it isn't glass. Just that I didn't meant specifically any sort of glass.
Where did you hear about the samsung and meego stuff? Is it close to a announcement?
Yep, that is what I was saying... Except for that we are no way enough people to make Nokia reconsider their strategy. The handset should really sell in "volume".
@zeh, I also don't think that Samsung would buy Nokia, but imagine what they could come up with if they had Harmattan-Meego on their hands... They would quit Android for sure :)
Where is Peter@Meego, BTW? Still @Nokia? He's been nowhere to be found for a long time....
zehjotkah
2011-06-09, 10:23
Peter Schneider is preparing the marketing campaign for the Harmattan device (if he currently is not in his wooden cottage at a nice finnish lake).
Samsung: they're in talks with Intel (for Smartphones).
For Netbooks and Tablets:
Mit der Ankündigung, dass Acer, Asus, Samsung und Lenovo noch im Laufe des zweiten Halbjahres 2011 neue MeeGo-basierte Netbooks und Tablets ausliefern, eröffnet sich zudem ein neuer attraktiver Absatzmarkt für mobile Anwendungen.
Google translation:
With the announcement that Acer, Asus, Samsung and Lenovo still deliver in the second half of 2011 new MeeGo-based Netbooks & Tablet PCs, also opens up a new attractive market for mobile applications.
http://newsroom.intel.com/community/de_de/blog/2011/05/31/intel-appup-developer-program-jetzt-auf-deutsch-verf%C3%BCgbar
Samsung: let's try everything and stick to those that sells
I love that I always have 10-15 pages of banter on this thread to read through ever morning :)
Really looking forward to the N9/N950 after the earlier disappointment of Nokia's move to abandon MeeGo and possibly scrapping the N9/N950. Was even planning to get another N900 as a backup if my current N900 died on me!!!
I do have to say though, that the specs listed in this thread range from believable to downright ridiculous!!! Still fun to look at, but I'll be keeping my hopes in check; as long as the hardware in general is comparable to whatever is in the market at the time I'll be pretty pleased. The N900 on release (and by the time it was actually available) was by no means a powerhouse, but it's still lasted me a good 1.5 years now to become the phone I've used for the longest period of time ever.
My largest concern at this time is (assuming the rumors on the lack of hardware keyboard are true) how good the rumored software keyboard is even with the "rumored" haptics/Nokia Haptikos tactile feedback.
Samsung: they're in talks with Intel (for Smartphones).
If wp7 fails, samsung needs another alternative to android. :D
If wp7 fails, samsung needs another alternative to android. :D
Correct expression: When wp7 fails, samsung needs another alternative to android
sjgadsby
2011-06-09, 11:37
IF this N9 really is so groundbreaking, and also IF it gets a wide adoption (by wide, I only mean that all manufactured units, be them low or even lower are quickly sold), then MAYBE the board will reconsidering the current strategy and position WP7 as "another" platform instead of "THE" platform upon which to produce their handsets...
Yes, if you enjoy paranoid worrying: what does Elop have to gain by releasing a Harmattan device?
If the Harmattan device is wildly successful, if the tech press are inclined to be gracious to it due to the doom and gloom surrounding the poor thing, then Elop and the Windows Phone strategy might be questioned.
If the Harmattan device goes unnoticed by the world at large, as the Fremantle lead device did, then what's to gain? It won't go anywhere toward helping keeping Nokia afloat until those Windows Phone devices start heading out the doors.
If the Harmattan device is a flop, a flop now, while the world's press seems hungry for more and more news that casts doubt on Nokia's (and Elop's) future, then Nokia's board may question Elop and his leadership ability.
Have a nice day.
Correct expression: When wp7 fails, samsung needs another alternative to android
I think Samsung are working on it, SLP.
Rich
erendorn
2011-06-09, 12:35
about paranoid worriyng:
Meego was never meant (and won't be able for some years) to provide a correct portfolio for Nokia. The fact that this device is good or not cannot change the issue with Symbian, which is waaay more important for Nokia than maemo/meego is. So there won't be any rethinking of the strategy.
=> Nokia needs WP7, no matter how successfull the Meego device will be.
Nokia pays for WP7, and share WP7 with other manufacturers. It needs options to weight against Microsoft, otherwise it will cost them a lot more.
=> Nokia needs Meego, no matter how unsuccessfull the Meego device will be.
Just don't expect Meego neither to disapear, nor to become uber important in the next years or so. But I think this has already been discussed a lot.
Correct expression: When wp7 fails, samsung needs another alternative to android
When wp7 fails microsoft will shell more money and bring you WP8 or bingPhone or whatever. It has failed more times than the version number implies and yet they change the name and try again:
1. Windows CE --> FAIL
2. Windows for Pocket PC --> FAIL
3. Windows for Pocket PC 2002 --> BIGFAIL
4. Windows Mobile 2003 --> SOSO
5. Windows Mobile 2003SE -->it was soso thus we keep the name
6. Windows Mobile 5 --> Let's change the version numbering (and nothing else) BIGFAIL
7. Windows Mobile 6 --> change theme
8. Windows Mobile 6.5 --> ULTRAFAIL
9. Kin --> MONSTERFAIL
10. Windows Phone 7 --> we want to take down others with us ?? I feel they will not fail miserably this time but we'll see
Now check out this
http://research.nokia.com/biblio
Conference
Material Choices For Electro-tactile Haptic Interfaces
MRS Spring Meeting 2011
Paul Beecher; Zoran Radivojevic; Piers Andrew; Chris Bower; Samiul Haque; Darryl Cotton
Abstract: We present a robust, thin and optically transparent interface structure that can be overlaid unobtrusively on top of a display screen. This structure acts as an electrotactile system that directly delivers localized and visually correlated tactile information to the user’s skin, enabling graphic tactile feedback. The device structure operates at very low current level (< 10µA) and with potentials in the range of tens of volts, which is a significant improvement on current electrotactile paradigms. The proposed structure doubles as an input and output device in assisting the user interaction with a touch screen display. The technology is based on electrovibration, in which touch receptors in the skin can be deceived into perceiving texture when a fingertip is swiped across an insulating layer above a metal surface carrying an alternating potential. This effect is due to the varying electrostatic attraction between the conductor and the deeper, liquid-rich conducting layers of the skin – an effect which changes the perceived dynamic friction. Complex stimulation patterns, involving the mixing of multiple AC frequency components (10Hz – 500Hz) and the actuation of several electrodes simultaneously, may allow for the generation of an unprecedented range of “haptic illusions”. These may range from the emulation of real touch sensations, to completely new patterns of tactile feedback, and new ways of interacting with electronic devices. This solution also overcomes the need for the physical displacement of mechanical parts and is therefore several orders-of-magnitude more energetically efficient in providing real time feedback to the user. Our work tackles the expected evolution of mobile devices and displays towards flexible and compliant form factors. Our concept implementation is based on the use of novel nanomaterials and structures that are compatible with the requirements for these new technologies. Conductors that are simultaneously flexible, conductive and transparent have been investigated, ranging from wide-bandgap oxide materials to carbon nanostructures, e.g., carbon nanotube networks and graphene, and also include silver nanowire networks and thin metal grids. These conductors can all be deposited on flexible substrates, and uniformly coated with appropriate dielectric materials. Much focus has been on high-k amorphous oxide materials such as hafnia, but, barium titanate and parylene have also been used. The exploration of an extensive materials library necessitates use of a number different fabrication techniques including sputtering, vacuum deposition, and various solution methods and printing techniques. In addition, the inclusion of scratch resistant, hydrophobic and oleophobic materials on the top surface to combine electrical insulation, scratch resistance and stain/water/fingerprint repellence in a single finishing layer helps maintain and protect a pristine display surface.
That's in this Engadget piece. Nokia's nanotech research units have been working on it for a while.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/28/a-grand-tour-of-nanotechnology-at-nokia-research-center-cambrid/
Look under 'Eletrostatic tactile surface' in that Engadget article.
Nokia Reseach Center in Beijing made some kind of working version with hardware hacked N900, but I don't know if it's ready for commercial use. At least it didn't support haptic feedback for multi- touch yet.
Finnish startup called Senseg (http://www.senseg.com/) has developed similar technology and at least Toshiba has already licensed it.Toshiba also demoed a smartphone prototype that used it. There was also rumour (http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/08/is-apple-considering-next-gen-tactile-feedback-for-ios-devices.html)last year that Apple would license Senseg's solution for iPhone.
max_power
2011-06-09, 13:23
1. Windows CE --> FAIL
maybe for consumer products, but win CE was and is widely used in industrial setups.
1337INT13H
2011-06-09, 13:27
IF the display resolution of the Harmattan device is to be correct 854x480 pixels, FWVGA. That means it will pack 179520 more pixels than Symbian 640x360 device displays. To say that the N8, C7 Active-Matrix OLED displays have something like a pixel density of 209 Pixels Per Inch, they are nice looking.
The samsung galaxy wasn't that far ahead either with 233 Pixels Per Inch. But IP4 has 326 Pixels Per Inch. Not that you need anything over the 209 PPI on Nokias phone to be able to physically see a difference with the human eye anyway. However some might perceive a slight difference in edge definition bouncing out at you.
As long as contrast is excellent, good black & whites & there should be a nice experience on harmattan 4.0" display. Supreme OLED. If it gets large battery & very lowe power consumption SoC + OLED + power efficient Linux = Good average battery life. Considering BT4.0 also save much more power than BT3.0 & so does BT3.0 save more power than BT2.1!!
about paranoid worriyng:
Meego was never meant (and won't be able for some years) to provide a correct portfolio for Nokia. The fact that this device is good or not cannot change the issue with Symbian, which is waaay more important for Nokia than maemo/meego is. So there won't be any rethinking of the strategy.
=> Nokia needs WP7, no matter how successfull the Meego device will be.
Nokia pays for WP7, and share WP7 with other manufacturers. It needs options to weight against Microsoft, otherwise it will cost them a lot more.
=> Nokia needs Meego, no matter how unsuccessfull the Meego device will be.
Just don't expect Meego neither to disapear, nor to become uber important in the next years or so. But I think this has already been discussed a lot.
Well I think that the device might be able to drive a change in strategy, though not dramatic...
I am specifically thinking in terms of amount of $ to be invested in Meego R&D, and also in the future product pipeline for Meego. We all know that Symbian is on its way to the dodo. In fact It was just a matter of time that people would stop buying the ugly thing.
@sjgadsby: Elop is not Nokia. Nokia is the corporation, and the one which will have to make decissions at their board, based on the market. I mean, not me nor anyone here will have zero interest on what the freaking Elop will gain or lose, wont' we? It is more like "let's see what the market says about the Meego device and whether this makes the board fire the mole or not..."
1337INT13H
2011-06-09, 14:15
It is more like "let's see what the market says about the Meego device and whether this makes the board fire the mole or not..."
hehe. Elop had plenty of time to turn things around. It seems it take forever to keep making small code changes to symbian.
But that's just the problem spending too much time on something which needs too much work to bring it upto spec.
So with Meego it's a chance to start again from scratch & not bodge it all up like Symbian!!
IsaacDFP
2011-06-09, 15:17
Stephen Elop said at the Open Mobile Summit: "Apple created Android, or at least created the conditions necessary for Android to come into being"
We're on to you, Mr. Elop. It's a classic diversionary tactic. Get the one and two smartphone / tablet OS vendors squabbling and then execute a flanking maneuver while nobody's watching. Why else would the Nokia CEO make such an emotive claim? Unless it's true?
https://twitter.com/#!/superglaze/status/78742019907915776
https://twitter.com/#!/lifeisbetteron/status/78742121003225088
http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/sectors/telecoms-and-it/elop-says-nokia-to-focus-on-core-brand/3027290.article looks like the N9 could be a doubt after reading this
mikecomputing
2011-06-09, 16:15
http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/sectors/telecoms-and-it/elop-says-nokia-to-focus-on-core-brand/3027290.article looks like the N9 could be a doubt after reading this
This ****ing MESS never ends.
Now can that ****ing broken Nokia crapcompany say right NOW if there still be a meego handset this year or not cause I really begining to wonder!?
Today we hear Meego CTO leaves, and now reading this about Meego!!!
WTF! is going on on this ****ing company!
I guess itr really time to move on now to another platform cause we have been rumored for over a year and been dissapopinted PLENTY of times!!!!
I am sure there IS a Meegohandset but I am questioning if we will see it in our hands...
Looks not too me!!!
I made a final drawing in photoshop. i think this one is as close as it gets. the gray area around the screen should be touch sensitive. :cool:
http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/n950-final1.jpg
mikecomputing
2011-06-09, 16:23
I made a final drawing in photoshop. i think this one is as close as it gets. the gray area around the screen should be touch sensitive. :cool:
http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/nokia-n950.jpg
Get over it The damn device will not be released atleast not with Meego or Maemo :@
generationally
2011-06-09, 16:25
This ****ing MESS never ends.
Now can that ****ing broken Nokia crapcompany say right NOW if there still be a meego handset this year or not cause I really begining to wonder!?
Today we hear Meego CTO leaves, and now reading this about Meego!!!
WTF! is going on on this ****ing company!
I guess itr really time to move on now to another platform cause we have been rumored for over a year and been dissapopinted PLENTY of times!!!!
I am sure there IS a Meegohandset but I am questioning if we will see it in our hands...
Looks not too me!!!
There is nothing new in what Elop said. This is the same as was said on February 11.
So relax ;)
I made a final drawing in photoshop. i think this one is as close as it gets. the gray area around the screen should be touch sensitive. :cool:
http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/nokia-n950.jpg
i think the black area under the frontcam is to big, you can delete half it
big display, small size :)
@mc: i dont think that we will not see the device. we will get one device this year. the thing is that elop would like to stop everything around maemo/meego after that device to concentrate on ms wp7.
we will see one device, the last of his kind... but no problem, we know how this feels since the first maemo device ;) they always sad it would be the last or that they stop supporting it.
but i believe that if, and only if, wp7 will be profitable for nokia, the next device will be the very last open (freeminded) device we will see from nokia. but we can talk about this in 1-2 years, when we want to buy our next everydaytoy (after this one) ;)
Get over it The damn device will not be released atleast not with Meego or Maemo :@
:D
Relax. He says exactly the same he has been saying all the time.
MeeGo was not good enough as main OS for Nokia and WP will be their future. This must not be news to you?
I made a final drawing in photoshop. i think this one is as close as it gets. the gray area around the screen should be touch sensitive. :cool:
http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/nokia-n950.jpg
Great drawing! So what do the insiders over here think? Close to the final product?
http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/secto...027290.article looks like the N9 could be a doubt after reading this
Read the article again, think about it and you'll notice the article is a mess. Read a proper one.
i think the black area under the frontcam is to big, you can delete half it
big display, small size :)
@mc: i dont think that we will not see the device. we will get one device this year. the thing is that elop would like to stop everything around maemo/meego after that device to concentrate on ms wp7.
we will see one device, the last of his kind... but no problem, we know how this feels since the first maemo device ;) they always sad it would be the last or that they stop supporting it.
but i believe that if, and only if, wp7 will be profitable for nokia, the next device will be the very last open (freeminded) device we will see from nokia. but we can talk about this in 1-2 years, when we want to buy our next everydaytoy (after this one) ;)
Better? :)
http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/n950-final1.jpg
mikecomputing
2011-06-09, 16:47
There is nothing new in what Elop said. This is the same as was said on February 11.
So relax ;)
Yeah right you forget that CTO leaves. A month(s) before the rumored device was planned too be announced :O
Personal reason, sicknesss, yeah and how many times have we heard that before? Maybe it actually would be true this time but I doubt!
We have been lied so many time from the NokiaFail so I am not trust anything until it actually is announced!
Again I beleive the sources here wo said they have tested it, but what I dont believe is it will not be released for people in this forum. Maybe a small groups of geeks but not massproduction.
They could infact decide not release Meego and wait for shitty Wp7 is ready. cause someone her already said it there also is an WP7 prototype of same device atm...
So until prof we got ****ed by Nokia again.
So until prof we got ****ed by Nokia again.
Elop, Nokia PR, and others all said he did not pull out a WP7 device at D9. Do you really think they are going to backtrack on that? I see Green leaving as a sign that WP7 is a priority now, and MeeGo wont be used for mass battle for at least a few years. Which does not mean this device will not be released, at all.
MR forums own insider dsmobile about the screens.
Meego device non-qwerty is pentile amoled. Qwerty model has LCD
WP device most likely will use same screen and design as the meego device and it also is stuck with pentile screen as Nokia has no access to super amoled plus.
mikecomputing
2011-06-09, 17:26
Elop, Nokia PR, and others all said he did not pull out a WP7 device at D9. Do you really think they are going to backtrack on that? I see Green leaving as a sign that WP7 is a priority now, and MeeGo wont be used for mass battle for at least a few years. Which does not mean this device will not be released, at all.
Did he actually say the device he had in his hand was something that will be released? I dont think so....
He said that meego is not good enough for all the market segments and mentioned developing markets. WP need at least 1Ghz cpu. Maybe that means that meego needs something massivly better and we get a dual core or something. If not then he's plain lying.
3 comments in an hour.. this is the slowest i have seen this thread. I rarely comment much but i feel that i should maybe contribute to this thread considering the amounts time i just snoop around.
my hope for this phone is that when i have it, and people say to me "oooh what phone do have?" as people do when i use my n900, i can say this is the n9/n950/N/Ion and i would recommend you get one, because atm with the n900, i love it but i wouldnt say to me friends.. go get one.
Well, I thought the relase of n9/n950 was too good to be true. A wise person once said, "Hope for the best but plan for the worst.." I'm still hoping but it doesn't look good...
paweltrzpis
2011-06-09, 18:36
3 comments in an hour.. this is the slowest i have seen this thread. I rarely comment much but i feel that i should maybe contribute to this thread considering the amounts time i just snoop around.
my hope for this phone is that when i have it, and people say to me "oooh what phone do have?" as people do when i use my n900, i can say this is the n9/n950/N/Ion and i would recommend you get one, because atm with the n900, i love it but i wouldnt say to me friends.. go get one.
i know exactly what you mean, wider audience wouldnt go for pretty much landscape only UI. few of my mates would get one if not that.
but hopefully ill b able to convince them with this new product. now the only thing i dont understand.
How is Elop about to announce it? In every interview, summit etc he says 'yep Meego is dead' so how will he try and sell it on Nokia Connection?...and how will he convince phone carriers and their sales ppl to try and shift them?
It seems like he not only want to kill it but wipe it off the nokia's earth....
S. ELOPcalypse....hopes he looses his job.....Microsoft mupet :/
blackbox
2011-06-09, 18:52
Well, I thought the relase of n9/n950 was too good to be true. A wise person once said, "Hope for the best but plan for the worst.." I'm still hoping but it doesn't look good...
I've waited long enough and I'm sure a lot of people on this forum are waiting impatiently for it's debut, but unfortunately for me, the more I wait the more I start to browse around for articles to read the more disappointed I get about Nokia, especially FLOP ELOP!!! :mad:
If you have time, and I mean time to read long articles, you should give Tomi Ahonen's blog a read. Very insightful and also sad as I don't want to believe him.
blackbox
2011-06-09, 18:54
i know exactly what you mean, wider audience wouldnt go for pretty much landscape only UI. few of my mates would get one if not that.
but hopefully ill b able to convince them with this new product. now the only thing i dont understand.
How is Elop about to announce it? In every interview, summit etc he says 'yep Meego is dead' so how will he try and sell it on Nokia Connection?...and how will he convince phone carriers and their sales ppl to try and shift them?
It seems like he not only want to kill it but wipe it off the nokia's earth....
S. ELOPcalypse....hopes he looses his job.....Microsoft mupet :/
Im worried we will never get to see the "Almost" device with the way this delusional CEO is running this company to the ground! :mad:
paweltrzpis
2011-06-09, 18:55
I've waited long enough and I'm sure a lot of people on this forum are waiting impatiently for it's debut, but unfortunately for me, the more I wait the more I start to browse around for articles to read the more disappointed I get about Nokia, especially FLOP ELOP!!! :mad:
If you have time, and I mean time to read long articles, you should give Tomi Ahonen's blog a read. Very insightful and also sad as I don't want to believe him.
for example this bit:
And yesterday, I posted the blog explaining, that where Stephen Elop has gone on record stating that the big picture 'war' is not about hardware or software, it is about ecosystems (on which I agree) but then, that he has destroyed a vast and vibrant ecosystem and abandoned its replacement, the world's most complete, modern, open and powerful ecosystem; and replaced it with the weakest ecosystem possible. This I have called incompetence.
this...replacement...meant to be Meego....
blackbox
2011-06-09, 19:05
for example this bit:
And yesterday, I posted the blog explaining, that where Stephen Elop has gone on record stating that the big picture 'war' is not about hardware or software, it is about ecosystems (on which I agree) but then, that he has destroyed a vast and vibrant ecosystem and abandoned its replacement, the world's most complete, modern, open and powerful ecosystem; and replaced it with the weakest ecosystem possible. This I have called incompetence.
this...replacement...meant to be Meego....
I think more along the lines of the Qt framework and it's ability to support a streamlined development on multiple platforms such as Meego, Symbian and Meego/Harmattan.
The Wizard of Huz
2011-06-09, 19:06
To te insiders: will the device be able to be used solely in landscape mode? As far as I know N900 is the only device which kan be used in landscape mode all the time. And I love that feature. Much better to hold it with both hands than to hold it with one and swiping away with the other, as I see so many people doing with their iPhones.
How big is the device compared to the N900? I know it is (much) thinner but how much wider/ longer?
I think the N900 is the perfect size in length and width. It only needs a bigger 4 inch screen which can fit easily in the N900 if the bezels on both sides (in landscape mode) are smaller.
Also nice to hear there are no buttons on the front. Another unique feature of the N900. Gives it a very clean look.
When Elop first came he said he wanted Apple style quick release after announcements, but if this was an apple product surely by now there would be companies coming out of the woodwork saying, we are creating xyz for a upcoming product or someone would find a case for this phone so it would be clear where the hw buttons are and the camera etc.
there can be 3 reasons IMO
a) blogs etc dnt care and havent bothered loooking
b) no cares to develop anything for this phone
c) its not going to be out for a while
hope its not c) cos the other 2 dont really bother me but if this phone is to be mainstream, then what better opportunity for nokia to release before a delayed apple release.
Koajwujwer123
2011-06-09, 19:27
To te insiders: will the device be able to be used solely in landscape mode? As far as I know N900 is the only device which kan be used in landscape mode all the time. And I love that feature. Much better to hold it with both hands than to hold it with one and swiping away with the other, as I see so many people doing with their iPhones.
How big is the device compared to the N900? I know it is (much) thinner but how much wider/ longer?
I think the N900 is the perfect size in length and width. It only needs a bigger 4 inch screen which can fit easily in the N900 if the bezels on both sides (in landscape mode) are smaller.
Also nice to hear there are no buttons on the front. Another unique feature of the N900. Gives it a very clean look.
portrait support good like symbian.
we hope that all the rest isn't "good" like symbian :D
for example this bit:
And yesterday, I posted the blog explaining, that where Stephen Elop has gone on record stating that the big picture 'war' is not about hardware or software, it is about ecosystems (on which I agree) but then, that he has destroyed a vast and vibrant ecosystem and abandoned its replacement, the world's most complete, modern, open and powerful ecosystem; and replaced it with the weakest ecosystem possible. This I have called incompetence.
this...replacement...meant to be Meego....
I think someone should point to ELOP and the rest of CEO pigs, what ecosystem really means:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosystem
The continuous misuse of the term is disgusting.
To Elop and others: Why do you say ecosystem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosystem), when you really mean vendor lock-in (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in).
For what its worth, I also know (quite positively) the device exists and it has a great hardware - it has been heavily implied to me by official Israeli Nokia representatives, but thats as far as they went :)
He's not really misusing it if you look up the definition on somewhere other than the Worlds Most accurate site source. :rolleyes:
Not saying Wiki is wrong but just take a look at a less complex explanation of a Ecosystem
mikecomputing
2011-06-09, 20:13
After being a bit negative today how about this:
Progress update on Meego for N900 I think its a bit related to the new rumored device:
* We now have an cool new meego-terminal (by Nokians) in for N900 soon to be merged to MeegoDE image. I guess this is a terminal we will see in Harmattan too.
http://repo.pub.meego.com/Project:/DE:/Trunk/standard/armv7hl/meego-terminal-0.1.6-1.1.DE.armv7hl.rpm
and also little new info twitted by Jukkaeklund:
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Summer_Release
The OSS team inside Nokia is still rocks :-D (And ofcourse the rest of the Meego community)
This will be the Community when Harmattan is released lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POv-3yIPSWc
Partay Time
He's not really misusing it if you look up the definition on somewhere other than the Worlds Most accurate site source. :rolleyes:
Not saying Wiki is wrong but just take a look at a less complex explanation of a Ecosystem
You mean the part where we are living organisms living in it, being dependant on their services.
Let me state this clearly I dislike the idea of vendor lock-in even if it comes from google
This will be the Community when Harmattan is released lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POv-3yIPSWc
Partay Time
I hope I never have to watch that video ever again.
well, then watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y
This one is better I think its Abill_UK at the Local Club but I need to get it confirmed by a source.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UsHDwOVk2A&feature=related
blackbox
2011-06-09, 20:50
To get back on topic, dsmobile from mobile-review claims that the screen that will be used on the N9 consumer device will be pentile amoled and not amoled plus. And the N9 qwerty device will be a simple LCD screen! :eek:
^^ thats not a secret, its been known since the teardown last year
OG Leak Photos: http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=855903283
- (researched the screen included in these photos: http://www.auo.com/?sn=149&lang=en-US&c=36&n=206)
To get back on topic, dsmobile from mobile-review claims that the screen that will be used on the N9 consumer device will be pentile amoled and not amoled plus. And the N9 qwerty device will be a simple LCD screen! :eek:
I am more worried about Rich Green because of the two aspects:
- overall direction the company is heading (as much as I dislike past Nokia politics, I don't want to see them as a part of eco$i$tem),
- possibility that real reason for leaving was not related only to the Meego platform in general, but to the fate of the meego devices.
In case that this device is so revolutionary many of you are claiming here, why would Elop allow such device to be released with Meego, and not with WF7/8?
After all, he is dedicated to promoting the eco$i$tem.
That sort of the decision would surely move somebody like Rich Green.
The Wizard of Huz
2011-06-09, 21:08
portrait support good like symbian.
Thanks, but I already understood that from the info on this thread. But how about landscape support? Do all the apps have landscape support?
blackbox
2011-06-09, 21:14
I am more worried about Rich Green because of the two aspects:
- overall direction the company is heading (as much as I dislike past Nokia politics, I don't want to see them as a part of eco$i$tem),
- possibility that real reason for leaving was not related only to the Meego platform in general, but to the fate of the meego devices.
In case that this device is so revolutionary many of you are claiming here, why would Elop allow such device to be released with Meego, and not with WF7/8?
After all, he is dedicated to promoting the eco$i$tem.
That sort of the decision would surely move somebody like Rich Green.
I agree but it's not clear if he actually is leaving Nokia as I've also read that he is on medical leave from I believe market watch. I could be wrong.
And maybe your right, perhaps since delusional Elop is so determined to pursue the WP7 fantasy of his, Rich probably thought that this "disruptive" Meego/Harmattan platform will never really get the credit that it deserves.
Look at the disaster that Elop has already done on Feb 11 by killing off symbian rather than wait till they actually had a wp7 device. He probably didn't want the board to say for example. "look, symbian sales are not doing so bad, in fact it's getting better, let's keep it for now." since he had his own agenda.
In my opinion I think that Elop is doing exactly that with the N9. Kill it before users can give it a positive feedback.
EDIT: Do we even know for sure that this device will even be announced around the end of June? I know Rich said that there would be one device released this year, but I don't recall Elop saying that.
EDIT: And that device that Elop pulled out @ D9 may very well be a new symbian device. I hope I'm wrong.
Maybe Elop is using the N9 as his everyday phone and that's why he pulled it out of his pocket at D9 conference. Maybe he went to ovi store on his N9 and found that it has no apps for it and so he thinks it's going to take too much effort to fill it up. Then he found that the current OVI Suite app doesn't support the N9 (like N900 before) and was even more disappoined. Then he compared the live tiles in WP7 and was disappointed that N9 didn't have any widgets of any kind. =p
The Wizard of Huz
2011-06-09, 21:28
I think Elop is to afraid of the N9/50. Afraid that it will be too good. Afraid that it will show the world how capable and good Harmattan is. That the blogosphere and the world will see the N9/50 and not the W7 device as the zenith of what is Nokia is capable of. Afraid that it will get all the attention and steal the light from W7 devices which will be released a few months after Harmatten device. It will show the world that W7 is too much behind and that the better strategy will be to push Meego.
How possible is it that Nokia is releasing the consumer harmatten device to do a public test of new hardware technology that will be in the upcoming WP7 device?
Maybe Elop is using the N9 as his everyday phone and that's why he pulled it out of his pocket at D9 conference. Maybe he went to ovi store on his N9 and found that it has no apps for it and so he thinks it's going to take too much effort to fill it up. Then he found that the current OVI Suite app doesn't support the N9 (like N900 before) and was even more disappoined. Then he compared the live tiles in WP7 and was disappointed that N9 didn't have any widgets of any kind. =p
That's a lot of well-meant maybes for a high-level-corporate-animal like Elop who thrives on Windows eco$i$tem.
paweltrzpis
2011-06-09, 21:39
I think Elop is to afraid of the N9/50. Afraid that it will be too good. Afraid that it will show the world how capable and good Harmattan is. That the blogosphere and the world will see the N9/50 and not the W7 device as the zenith of what is Nokia is capable of. Afraid that it will get all the attention and steal the light from W7 devices which will be released a few months after Harmatten device. It will show the world that W7 is too much behind and that the better strategy will be to push Meego.
..really depressing mood on this thread today isnt it?
In ideal world (which we know does not exist) i would like to have WP as a main smartphone platform (as Elop said himself...let him have his baby) S40 as 3rd world mobile...and nice posh high-end devices running Meego.
Think Elop doesnt see Meego as powerful and solid platform to hold this position, taking W7 is simply playing safe....chicken
benny1967
2011-06-09, 21:40
How possible is it that Nokia is releasing the consumer harmatten device to do a public test of new hardware technology that will be in the upcoming WP7 device?
I'm almost sure that this is the plan - in general,l not only with the "N9(50)". From what understood, the NoWin-deal gives Microsoft access to Nokias patents. So what I think will happen is:
Nokia develops new technologies and uses MeeGo or some internal variation to test them. These devices may or may not be sold; maybe MeeGo will exist only in Nokias labs to power prototypes.
If the hardware technologies are good enough for the mainstream, Microsoft will develop the necessary additions to support these technologies in one of the following WP-versions. Maybe not the next one, but an upcoming one.
So yes, I'm sure whatever revolutionary new hardware we'll see in the Harmattan device, eventually WP will have it, too.
..really depressing mood on this thread today isnt it?
In ideal world (which we know does not exist) i would like to have WP as a main smartphone platform (as Elop said himself...let him have his baby) S40 as 3rd world mobile...and nice posh high-end devices running Meego.
Think Elop doesnt see Meego as powerful and solid platform to hold this position, taking W7 is simply playing safe....chicken
My friend, I have met reasonable number of people holding positions such as his, but in smaller entities.
Believe me, their mindset is completely unlike yours or mine.
When I saw him speaking at Uplinq, my first impression compared was: what a slimy guy.
I would have disliked him, even if I did not know what he has done to Nokia (engineering staff to be more precise).
I really wonder if Elop gets fed with any info / reactions that are going on in this thread. There are many smart and influential people here who can easily turn their backs completely on Nokia which will easily affect/detract other people around them at an exponential level.
I can only assume he knows everything about what the people in the real world is thinking including us. But he now doesn't want to go back on his WP7 decision which he so hastely made without knowing all about the potential of Nokia's Harmattan device. Maybe he now realises its potential but can't do anything about it so he might decide to kill it "for now" and just go with his iniital WP7 decision to see if it unfolds to answer his prayers.
It's hardly ever about us anyways. It's about the company, share prices, market share, brand image and corporate relationships. Elop already threw away the partnership with Intel and they are now not in good sides with eachother. Last thing Elop wants to do is the same with Microsoft right now. The cup of water has already been knocked over. All he can try to do is mop it up and make the most of it.
You should see the positive side of using wp7 as the primary smartphone platform. Nokia does not need to spend billions to push meego to mid to low-end hardware, they can fully concentrate on using it for high-end hardware, tablets, netbooks etc.
I can imagine that the people behind meego are actually relieved that they can concentrate fully on creating the next big thing. Remember that nobody of us knows what is going on behind the scenes.
Whatever. Bottomline, don't lose hope! :D
I don't know why it's not possible for such a big company like Nokia to have Series40 for phones, WP7 for low feature "smartphones" and MeeGo for hi-featured and expensive mobile devices.
LG has Android and Windows Phone
Samsung has Android and Windows Phone
They are all betting their horse on different systems. But I ask why?
Only the companies with their own system betting on just a single system like BlackBerry, HP (WebOS) or Apple. And even Samsung is developing their own system called Bada.
I ask why does they need this effort if they are earning so much money with their successful Android Devices?
Any Ideas?
mikecomputing
2011-06-09, 22:11
If some Nokia people ever read this:
Here is my decision:
I give you upto end of July to announce the damn Harmattan device. If it isnt well then I will go for samsung galaxy s II or Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro. And hhope I can ripout Android and running Meego+Qt instead.
B/c the Android Bubble will burst much sooner than the 10 years + it took for the Symbian Bubble to burst, so it makes sense to keep one foot in all camps to make any transition easy when a future disruption arrives in whatever form it takes.
BTW 14 days left until privacy gets lifted by FCC on RM680 pictures & Manuals
The Wizard of Huz
2011-06-09, 22:25
I don't know why it's not possible for such a big company like Nokia to have Series40 for phones, WP7 for low feature "smartphones" and MeeGo for hi-featured and expensive mobile devices.
LG has Android and Windows Phone
Samsung has Android and Windows Phone
They are all betting their horse on different systems. But I ask why?
Only the companies with their own system betting on just a single system like BlackBerry, HP (WebOS) or Apple. And even Samsung is developing their own system called Bada.
I ask why does they need this effort if they are earning so much money with their successful Android Devices?
Any Ideas?
Basically they don't trust their software supplier. If they put everything on one OS then the OS maker gets too much power.The hardware manufacturors then don't have control anymore about their devices roadmap.
Like now is happening with Android. The latest Android is only available to device makers who play nice with Google ( see also why Motorola had to stop using Skyhook). The other manufacturers have to wait. That is how "open source" works @ Google.
Better? :)
http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/n950-final1.jpg
Very close now.
- The bezel on left/right side of LCD is a bit wider.
(LCD is narrower and is wider is aspect ratio like the E7)
- Top bezel above the LCD but still on the glass has NOKIA written on it.
(basically, top and bottom is similar in length - symmetrical)
- Camera is even more in the bottom right corner of the glass front. It is also a circle.
- There is a tiny (less than 1mm) gap between the outer edge of glass and the body.
(the outer edge of glass also has a rounded off edge and looks like it sticks out a little bit above the outer body.
- On the right long-side starting from top, there are 2 visible protruded silver-colored buttons
1 long up/down button (split in half by a mnute gap) and another single rectangular (half the length of the volume rocker) button about 1cm below it.
- I don't know how the back looks..
nwerneck
2011-06-09, 23:13
when you really mean vendor lock-in (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in).
Thanks for bringing that up!
If there is one thing Microsoft is specialized in, is vendor lock-in. One of their favorite tools for that is?... Office file formats. Something that Nokia never had problem doing business with in the past, by the way.
And Elop certainly got a lot of experience on that inside Micros~1!...
xxMurdakillxx
2011-06-10, 00:06
Any word on how the screen compares to the iPhone 4 or Samsung Amoled screens, I say this because I had a n900. I now have a Nexus S. I'm getting this phone no matter what, I'd sale my kidney I had to....but am I to expect an new best or a very nice screen to date similar to something we have seen before other than the Haptikos technology. Basically, did Nokia **** on everyone with this device and its screen res?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5RmJ4bo2Ks&feature=youtube_gdata_player
And can I get a no to this display for sure. Would be nice, I'd almost have to go out for diner just to celebrate knowing they decided to use this screen.
http://m.engadget.com/default/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/18/toshiba-declares-victory-in-pixel-density-war-367ppi-coming-to/&category=classic&postPage=1
Why the sad mood on the forum what the n9 n950 isn't coming out ?
nwerneck
2011-06-10, 03:26
Why the sad mood on the forum what the n9 n950 isn't coming out ?
It is, but not TODAY :mad:, neither tomorrow. :( But it will come... And then we can bury this thread, probably beyond the 10,000 mark!!... :D
somedude
2011-06-10, 03:49
this thread has been a drag lately..... need to spice it up guys with the distributable infos.
Why no1 wonder why the front camera is positioned in the bottom instead of on top like usual ? Will there be some special function for this or our jaw in focus will be the next big thing in video communication ?
Zehjotkah said in twitter that "something really big/huge will hit the maemo/MeeGo Community in november if everything works out as planned." and "It's not hardware related. Calm down. It's huge for the community. Not for the average joe..".
So there is hope for this maemo/meego upcoming device.:)
Anssi Vanjoki and Rich Green back, dead of Meego and the return of Maemo, HELL YEAH !!
zehjotkah
2011-06-10, 06:05
Good morning everyone!
Should be try a better mood today? ;)
zehjotkah said in twitter that "something really big/huge will hit the maemo/MeeGo Community in november if everything works out as planned." and "It's not hardware related. Calm down. It's huge for the community. Not for the average joe..".
So there is hope for this maemo/meego upcoming device.:)
Nothing hardware related :) It will be something for the community, but no, not a device (do you remember: nothing hardware related)
:D
sachin007
2011-06-10, 06:11
Good morning everyone!
Should be try a better mood today? ;)
Nothing hardware related :) It will be something for the community, but no, not a device (do you remember: nothing hardware related)
:D
Any more clues..... just to elevate our mood??
The current mood on tmo is really dull....
sachin007
2011-06-10, 06:12
I guess Nokia is going to open up Maemo to the community.....
zehjotkah
2011-06-10, 06:29
Any more clues..... just to elevate our mood??
The current mood on tmo is really dull....
sorry, but as I simply don't know if it will work out as expected, I really don't want to talk more about it..
I shouldn't have tweeted about it at first place^^
Good mood: Only 14 more days until FCC will publish the documents! :D
Either that or there will be PR1.4 for N900. lol
I guess Nokia is going to open up Maemo to the community.....
It's not going to happen but... eh... Harmattan for N900? :)
I guess Nokia is going to open up Maemo to the community.....
http://www.demotivation.us/best/all/filter_week/some-days-1250704.html
It's not going to happen but... eh... Harmattan for N900? :)
nether :( but still hope for the best :)
Good mood: Only 14 more days until FCC will publish the documents! :D
can't wait for that.. ahha.. 2 more weeks folks.. :)
I think it will be released before that which means we should look out from 13-17 june !!!
or 20-23 rd of june
Anssi Vanjoki and Rich Green back, dead of Meego and the return of Maemo, HELL YEAH !!
yeah and elop back to where he came from
I'm sorry if this has been asked before - I couldn't find it, so I'm asking about it (again?):
Does the N9 will be/is recognized by Ovi Suite/PC Suite?
A bit trivial, I know, but still seems interesting enough for me :D
uppercase
2011-06-10, 07:45
So...this new screen...does it....you know....stimulate....just fingers.....or........you know.....?
Why no1 wonder why the front camera is positioned in the bottom instead of on top like usual ? Will there be some special function for this or our jaw in focus will be the next big thing in video communication ?
i did before...
i asked K123 about the cam and he was just suggesting that it could be better for landscape mode or something like this...
If i hold my N900 upside down, sometimes my hand is over the place of the cam, so i think that this place is not the best...
my guess:
thats the cam for gesture control ;)
Donbabbeo
2011-06-10, 07:54
sorry, but as I simply don't know if it will work out as expected, I really don't want to talk more about it..
I shouldn't have tweeted about it at first place^^
For someone that shouldn't speak about something you are writing way too much :D
Same game as with N9 hints? Who want to play? :p
Good morning everyone!
Should be try a better mood today? ;)
Nothing hardware related :) It will be something for the community, but no, not a device (do you remember: nothing hardware related)
:D
Meego 1.3 for n9?
So...this new screen...does it....you know....stimulate....just fingers.....or........you know.....?
I've heard it can stimulate higher-brain functions. :D
zehjotkah
2011-06-10, 08:04
For someone that shouldn't speak about something you are writing way too much :D
Same game as with N9 hints? Who want to play? :p
oh please, it's nothing secret from any company. ^^
I just don't want to speak about it, because I don't know if it will work out as planned today. No info - no disappointment.
i did before...
i asked K123 about the cam and he was just suggesting that it could be better for landscape mode or something like this...
If i hold my N900 upside down, sometimes my hand is over the place of the cam, so i think that this place is not the best...
my guess:
thats the cam for gesture control ;)
yeah i would guess the same. remember the n9 teaser when it says our next sense? a nokia designer is saying the same in a video from last year about gesture control: ...“but who knows maybe we will create in the future a device that will almost give you a sixth sense“.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8uJap0Ds5A
EDIT: Another nokia video showing volume-control by gestures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AI_chv7nCU&feature=player_embedded#at=13
generationally
2011-06-10, 08:07
oh please, it's nothing secret from any company. ^^
I just don't want to speak about it, because I don't know if it will work out as planned today. No info - no disappointment.
So do you get a kick out of indicating that you might know something that we don't? Or what's the point of these 'I know something but I'm not telling!' posts?
I'm just curious what your motivation is so don't get upset now ;)
mikelima
2011-06-10, 08:16
Nothing hardware related :) It will be something for the community, but no, not a device (do you remember: nothing hardware related)
:D
Well MeeGo 1.3 should be around the corner/released at that time...
... Maybe also PR 1.4
...I got it! Meego 1.3 WILL BE PR 1.4! :-D
zehjotkah
2011-06-10, 08:22
So do you get a kick out of indicating that you might know something that we don't? Or what's the point of these 'I know something but I'm not telling!' posts?
I'm just curious what your motivation is so don't get upset now ;)
I've clearly explained my reasons of not posting anything further about that.
Donbabbeo
2011-06-10, 08:23
oh please, it's nothing secret from any company. ^^
I just don't want to speak about it, because I don't know if it will work out as planned today. No info - no disappointment.
But i will not be disappointed in any case, i promise :D
Just for fun...
Ipothetically speaking...
Considering that i should buy a new phone (my 9 years old phone start to breaking apart)...
This is something that i should wait and/or i will enjoy if i will buy, for example, this N9? ;)
EDIT: Ops, didn't read your last reply, sorry then, no more question. Back to work. :o
- On the right long-side starting from top, there are 2 visible protruded silver-colored buttons
1 long up/down button (split in half by a mnute gap) and another single rectangular (half the length of the volume rocker) button about 1cm below it.
Hmm... and the Camera Button? :confused:
Why should they remove one of the big advantages compared to many competitors? :confused:
The 2 level Buttons at the Nokia devices are working just great...
Even Apple have now understood. They are mapping now the Camera function to one of the Volume Buttons. (but its still not the same because of the missing autofocus and exposure measurement while half pressing the button)
And I currently don't like the idea that we wouldn't have a chance to run something like ShortCutD (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/shortcutd/). :(
kanishou
2011-06-10, 10:01
What's wrong with hold for focus, release to shoot? Does the same thing and requires less dexterity. The only downside is that you may end up with unwanted pictures, but that's hardly an issue in the digital age.
sachin007
2011-06-10, 10:01
Hmm... and the Camera Button? :confused:
Why should they remove one of the big advantages compared to many competitors? :confused:
The 2 level Buttons at the Nokia devices are working just great...
Even Apple have now understood. They are mapping now the Camera function to one of the Volume Buttons. (but its still not the same because of the missing autofocus and exposure measurement while half pressing the button)
And I currently don't like the idea that we wouldn't have a chance to run something like ShortCutD (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/shortcutd/). :(
Some one had earlier assured us that the 2 step camera button is still there..... so dont worry.
Donbabbeo
2011-06-10, 10:01
Hmm... and the Camera Button? :confused:
Why should they remove one of the big advantages compared to many competitors? :confused:
The 2 level Buttons at the Nokia devices are working just great...
Even Apple have now understood. They are mapping now the Camera function to one of the Volume Buttons. (but its still not the same because of the missing autofocus and exposure measurement while half pressing the button)
And I currently don't like the idea that we wouldn't have a chance to run something like ShortCutD (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/shortcutd/). :(
I should be the camera button. Jakiman speak about 2 button, one is the volume rocker and another one is the camera button.
Hmm... and the Camera Button? :confused:
Why should they remove one of the big advantages compared to many competitors? :confused:
The photo I saw of the Lankku doesn't show the camera dutton due to the angle of the photo. But you don't have to worry as Lankku is confirmed as having a 2 level camera button. The reason I didn't mention it for that drawing was because it doesn't seem to protrude out like the other buttons. I believe it is more like flat to the body like the N8/E7.
I should be the camera button. Jakiman speak about 2 button, one is the volume rocker and another one is the camera button.
No It is more like N900. 2-button length Volume rocker, another button just below it in the middle of the length of the phone. (possibly unlock/power button) I would not expect the camera button to be located in the middle....
Very close now.
- The bezel on left/right side of LCD is a bit wider.
(LCD is narrower and is wider is aspect ratio like the E7)
- Top bezel above the LCD but still on the glass has NOKIA written on it.
(basically, top and bottom is similar in length - symmetrical)
- Camera is even more in the bottom right corner of the glass front. It is also a circle.
- There is a tiny (less than 1mm) gap between the outer edge of glass and the body.
(the outer edge of glass also has a rounded off edge and looks like it sticks out a little bit above the outer body.
- On the right long-side starting from top, there are 2 visible protruded silver-colored buttons
1 long up/down button (split in half by a mnute gap) and another single rectangular (half the length of the volume rocker) button about 1cm below it.
- I don't know how the back looks..
http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/final-nokia-n950.jpg
xxMurdakillxx
2011-06-10, 10:42
Any word on how the screen compares to the iPhone 4 or Samsung Amoled screens, I say this because I had a n900. I now have a Nexus S. I'm getting this phone no matter what, I'd sale my kidney I had to....but am I to expect an new best or a very nice screen to date similar to something we have seen before other than the Haptikos technology. Basically, did Nokia **** on everyone with this device and its screen res?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5RmJ4bo2Ks&feature=youtube_gdata_player
And can I get a no to this display for sure. Would be nice, I'd almost have to go out for diner just to celebrate knowing they decided to use this screen.
http://m.engadget.com/default/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/18/toshiba-declares-victory-in-pixel-density-war-367ppi-coming-to/&category=classic&postPage=1
Any word on this or is it confirmed 480. Fwvga?
Any word on this or is it confirmed 480. Fwvga?
i do confirm 4 by 6 icons (24). double of Symbian 3 (3 x 4 = 12) wich has 640 x 360 pixels, so it should be true...:cool:
http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/final-nokia-n950.jpg
This looks great, especially the front view. :D
I know that this should represent HW of the phone, but the icons and labels on screen are not properly aligned.
This looks great, especially the front view. :D
I know that this should represent HW of the phone, but the icons and labels on screen are not properly aligned.
the icons are from E7 and should just give a clue...
http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/final-nokia-n950.jpg
Next week news:
*Nokia N9 Consumer version Gets A Knockoff Before Official Launch*
Future news:
*Nokia N9 will be released in three versions, one dedicated old time TMO contributors (with keyboard), one for developers (w/out kb) and third for consumers (w/out screen).*
reason: Elop messed up
xxMurdakillxx
2011-06-10, 11:02
i do confirm 4 by 6 icons (24). double of Symbian 3 (3 x 4 = 12) wich has 640 x 360 pixels, so it should be true...:cool:
Okay so the screen looks like the n8? And thanks for the response.
http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/final-nokia-n950.jpg
Wow. You are good. Looks a lot better. =)
Now for the final little touches. (sorry, forgot to list them all before)
1. 4 corners do not bend inwards like the X7/E7. It is pretty much straight edged corners.
2. It doesn't display 6 rows in full. It fits 5 and 2/3rd. So the very bottom icons cut off from its bottom and labels do not show.
3. The 2nd button is too far apart from the volume buttons in your pic. It is slightly left of centre.
I will try to modify your drawing a little later to give you better idea for you to re-draw with.
Wow. You are good. Looks a lot better. =)
Now for the final little touches. (sorry, forgot to list them all before)
1. 4 corners do not bend inwards like the X7/E7. It is pretty much straight edged corners.
2. It doesn't display 6 rows in full. It fits 5 and 2/3rd. So the very bottom icons cut off from its bottom and labels do not show.
3. The 2nd button is too far apart from the volume buttons in your pic. It is slightly left of centre.
I will try to modify your drawing a little later to give you better idea for you to re-draw with.
http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/n9501.jpg
aironeous
2011-06-10, 11:52
Either that or there will be PR1.4 for N900. lol
Prease Rait 1.4
Faustino
2011-06-10, 12:16
Has this thread actually resorted to people arguing about a mock up photo?
Nearly 5000 posts and only about 3 of them actually had any useful information. As it's obvious that no new information will be coming any time soon, I suggest that this thread be locked. (maybe it can be reopened when there is actually some news)
Trawling through dozens of pages of ******** every day for any kind of info is getting rather pointless and is only harming the forum.
Has this thread actually resorted to people arguing about a mock up photo?
Nearly 5000 posts and only about 3 of them actually had any useful information. As it's obvious that no new information will be coming any time soon, I suggest that this thread be locked. (maybe it can be reopened when there is actually some news)
Trawling through dozens of pages of ******** every day for any kind of info is getting rather pointless and is only harming the forum.
http://shootspeak.com/2011/05/21/rumour-mill-nokia-n9-meego-phone/
here you go with all the info from this "boring" thread ;)
Like when I touch it, it touch me back and we can share funny thoughts together ?
I saw that Star Trek Enterprise episode. Watch out, you may get pregnant.
And now I have another 11 pages to read and comment on.
xxMurdakillxx
2011-06-10, 13:27
Guys, the important question for me:
have you listened to music on N950 in headphones? Is it good or average just as on every other phone? Does it have a dedicated DSP for music? Would be good if it could replace my ipod classic.
Very good question and I second that, what does it sound like headphones and the external speaker quality. And as far as dpi screen resolution enthusiast....do we have any surprises in store. I'm having trouble thinking Nokia has a few new technologies in it, but nothing to revolutionize the screen sharpness. I took a look at recent reviews of their latest products and that's a serious flaw with them at the moment. Is this a regular screen? Were you wowed by the quality, what are your impressions of the screen for those who have used the device? Just tell me if its anything to look forward to?
xxMurdakillxx
2011-06-10, 13:37
How does it compare to the galaxy s2? That's really what I want to know
Raubtier
2011-06-10, 13:44
sorry, as long as no one tells me how a virtual keyboard will not take up 30% of the screen on a website i will continue missing a hardware keyboard..
slaapliedje
2011-06-10, 13:51
sorry, as long as no one tells me how a virtual keyboard will not take up 30% of the screen on a website i will continue missing a hardware keyboard..
This is what I agree with most out of any of this entire thread.
Even if the virtual keyboard is awesome beyond compare, how is it going to not cover up what you're currently looking at?
Unless of course it creates one of those laser keyboards?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH8CUTimTvY
how does it compare to... nothing...
i hate it to compare devices with different circumstances. like you would compare a mac with a wintel pc.
e.g. sgs2, its using android. android is very ressource hungry (had the lg optimus 2x, and it was laggy while swyping in the main menu, absolute no go!), so its good that the g2 has a dualcore, lots of memory aso.
or the iphone 4 with (only) single core soc, but very smooth ui.
ours will be at least as good as ios (imho) regarding smooth ui and apps (120fps has been mentioned in this thread ;))
but atm we dont know more except of what we already know, means no details for the used hardware.
but i am pretty sure that our device would loose a direct compare to the sgs2 (regarding soc, memory aso), but we wont need so much power to run everything smooth. thats the point.
A transparent, tactile virtual keyboard would let you see the website through it.
And now, I would like someone to tell me how a virtual keyboard on a capacitive screen will not make the screen smudged.
kanishou
2011-06-10, 14:02
That's what really good scaling, zooming, repositioning, etc is for... Just saying. You make it out like 30% covered screen is such a big deal, when all you need at the time is to see what you are writing (and sometimes what others are writing / what you are responding to).
It is very rare that this constitutes a major inconvenience, and for such cases, BT keyboards have been invented. ;) Though frankly, I would not recommend to write your thesis or develop applications on any phone whatsoever. But that's your call.
kanishou
2011-06-10, 14:05
And now, I would like someone to tell me how a virtual keyboard on a capacitive screen will not make the screen smudged.
As opposed to... what capacitive touchscreen phone was it again that never makes you touch the screen? :)
On good screens, you rarely see the smudges anyway, and wiping them off takes a couple of seconds.
Trawling through dozens of pages of ******** every day for any kind of info is getting rather pointless and is only harming the forum.
And you thought it's a good idea to add a additional?!
sjgadsby
2011-06-10, 14:19
How does it compare to the galaxy s2? That's really what I want to know
I don't see anything to be gained by flooding the thread with questions that would require a full, multi-page, in depth review to answer. Yes, some community members with inside information have come forward with some tantalizing details about Harmattan device(s). That doesn't mean these people can reveal everything.
One, they're already risking their own careers or risking the careers of the friends or family members who shared information in confidence. A bit of satisfied curiosity about the mysterious disposable device of the moment doesn't balance easily against the very real danger of not being able to provide for one's self and one's family.
Two, a full comparison of the Harmattan device(s) against a Android device such as the Galaxy S II requires knowledge beyond that which can be gained by seeing, or even using, the Harmattan device(s). We know the Galaxy S II's full specs, price, and carrier adoption. We know the availability of Android apps. We don't know the consumer Harmattan device's full specs, price, or carrier adoption. We know it will have fewer apps than Android, but what, if anything, will be waiting for purchase in the Ovi Store at launch? What will be available in community OBS?
We'll need detailed photos to compare screens (http://twitpic.com/58yvmx). We'll need video to compare the feel of the UI (http://vimeo.com/24853333). We'll need to wait for launch details and real reviews.
sachin007
2011-06-10, 14:42
I don't see anything to be gained by flooding the thread with questions that would require a full, multi-page, in depth review to answer. Yes, some community members with inside information have come forward with some tantalizing details about Harmattan device(s). That doesn't mean these people can reveal everything.
One, they're already risking their own careers or risking the careers of the friends or family members who shared information in confidence. A bit of satisfied curiosity about the mysterious disposable device of the moment doesn't balance easily against the very real danger of not being able to provide for one's self and one's family.
Two, a full comparison of the Harmattan device(s) against a Android device such as the Galaxy S II requires knowledge beyond that which can be gained by seeing, or even using, the Harmattan device(s). We know the Galaxy S II's full specs, price, and carrier adoption. We know the availability of Android apps. We don't know the consumer Harmattan device's full specs, price, or carrier adoption. We know it will have fewer apps than Android, but what, if anything, will be waiting for purchase in the Ovi Store at launch? What will be available in community OBS?
We'll need detailed photos to compare screens (http://twitpic.com/58yvmx). We'll need video to compare the feel of the UI (http://vimeo.com/24853333). We'll need to wait for launch details and real reviews.
Agree... But what is wrong with a little speculation. IMHO that's what keeps these forums interesting until the hardware comes...
The Wizard of Huz
2011-06-10, 14:52
Thanks for bringing that up!
If there is one thing Microsoft is specialized in, is vendor lock-in. One of their favorite tools for that is?... Office file formats.
True. Funny thing. Apple always gets flak for their vendor lock-in (they deserve it for iOS). But the same people accept the vendor lock-in by Microsoft, which is considered "normal". Sheeps.
The Wizard of Huz
2011-06-10, 14:55
So I will ask again: how big is this new consumer device compared to N900?
Can someone please answer this?
So I will ask again: how big is this new consumer device compared to N900?
Wait until you're able to order it!
You make it out like 30% covered screen is such a big deal, when all you need at the time is to see what you are writing (and sometimes what others are writing / what you are responding to).
It is a major deal. I have gone from a 800x480 screen on a N900 with hardware keyboard, to a 800x480 screen on a ZTE Blade, and the virtual keyboard IS a big deal.
In Android, there's nothing 30%ish about it, either. I'm looking at the Android web browser right now, and in portrait mode landscape mode it takes just about 50%, in landscape mode, you see nothing of the webpage except the input field, something like two thirds is virtual keyboard.
My typing speed with the keyboard that comes with cyanogenmod is around 10% of what I do on the N900 keyboard. Moreever; the bad input capabilities of the touchy feely Android-phone makes me not want to input anything, I hardly even care to look at it to see if I've got missed calls.
Android is no Maemo, that's for sure.
As opposed to... what capacitive touchscreen phone was it again that never makes you touch the screen? :)
On good screens, you rarely see the smudges anyway, and wiping them off takes a couple of seconds.
As opposed to a real, pressure level sensitive screen where you can use accurate input devices. The resistive touch screen on the N900 was bad enough, now that I have to use a capasitive screen, it's ten times worse.
And if you don't see the smudges, that's because you forgot to clean your glasses. Smudges is, in addition to nasty looking, a layer of oil that distorts the light that goes through it, nomatter how good a screen. Who cares about that crisp resolution when the end result is a blurry mess that causes your eyes trying to refocus and refocus. Also, most of the time when I try to wipe a smudged screen, it just redistributes the finger/face oil instead of removing it from the screen.
Really. Smudges look bad and it's bad for your eyes.
Throughout all of the 90s and 00s I would scold anyone who put a finger on my computer monitor, because smudges are bad. Now people pay extra for the inability to use styluses? Someone's PR department fooled them real bad.
xxMurdakillxx
2011-06-10, 15:00
All it really takes to compare screens is someone speaking about the n9 with reference to another device. Something we are all familiar with. Not asking for detailed anything, just a simple better or worse than something we know of. This is not a leak of secret information or hidden technology. Basically if I can be told that a phone has a technology I haven't even heard of.....we should definitely be able get word on how it compares to current devices. I couldn't have guessed this phone had haptikos technology, so if we can be told about that we can also be told how the sharpness adds up. That would be discussed about any phone before a tech not seen in any mobile device to date. If I wanted to keep my job ....I wouldn't speak about things like that. Don't feel like I'm inquiring about some small feature......from the day you first get your device all you will ever see will come from that screen. Essentially that's all these touch only phones are. I want to know because that's the single most important feature about about any modern day phone. Hell....look at the concept photo. The front is 95% screen. You will hardly ever use the back (not look but use). Hell yeah I wanna know about the screen.... tired of these blunt answers when we already been informed on their never seen before features. How does it look compared to Amoled tech, qhd, and retina displays. This is not a leak it anything that will get someone fired, but its the most obvious feature on the device.
Any leak is a leak that could get someone fired. Unless it's not a leak, but viral marketing. Which is marketing, which Nokia wouldn't do, at least not right.
I also used ctrl+bckspace, ctrl+n, ctrl+s, ctrl+ left/right in browser, etc... but I'll try the device before I comment negatively.
Lets hope the VKB will have multitouch and not like the stupid VKB with no multitouch..
The Wizard of Huz
2011-06-10, 15:18
@Volt
In my experience wiping it with your jeans, if you wear them, cleans the screen very good. Pure thick cotton is very good voor cleaning glasses too.;)
sjgadsby
2011-06-10, 15:18
But what is wrong with a little speculation.
I didn't argue against speculation. I pointed out what I see as problems with something roughly the opposite of speculation: flooding the thread with repeated demands for information, particularly non-specific, general information.
Koajwujwer123
2011-06-10, 15:24
keyboard is good. cannot explain better. for rest wait launch and self experience. do not like andro much but damn galaxy 2 is sweet :D
hardware on meego phone not to that level sad. but its ok , phone as smooth or maybe more too.
Any leak is a leak that could get someone fired. Unless it's not a leak, but viral marketing. Which is marketing, which Nokia wouldn't do, at least not right.
which the teaser was ... ;)
xxMurdakillxx
2011-06-10, 15:42
keyboard is good. cannot explain better. for rest wait launch and self experience. do not like andro much but damn galaxy 2 is sweet :D
hardware on meego phone not to that level sad. but its ok , phone as smooth or maybe more too.
thank you so much for the feedback. I look forward to seeing what Nokia did with the Meego Os. With a community like this backing the device, I'm good to go. N900 has so much to offer. With a more flexible device.....we've got many happy days ahead.
IsaacDFP
2011-06-10, 15:47
but damn galaxy 2 is sweet :D
From your personal opinion, I would like to hear the "why" you think the Galaxy 2 is so good?
I cannot wait another 14 days someone tell me the phone will be presented before 26 please.
xxMurdakillxx
2011-06-10, 15:58
From your personal opinion, I would like to hear the "why" you think the Galaxy 2 is so good?
Most people wouldn't admit it....but that's the choice most of us are having to make. Outside of Nokia, I'm a Samsung supporter. But I'm rolling with the n9 this go around. But the s2 does turn a few heads. I could see a good bit of people wanting to know how the two compare.
vitaminj
2011-06-10, 16:01
I cannot wait another 14 days someone tell me the phone will be presented before 26 please.
Well, yeah, sure, it's the 21st, not the 26th!
http://www.nokiaconnection.net/event.php
A twitter boy called nexus says n9 release next week. Lets hope so! Unleash the beast
keyboard is good. cannot explain better. for rest wait launch and self experience. do not like andro much but damn galaxy 2 is sweet :D
hardware on meego phone not to that level sad. but its ok , phone as smooth or maybe more too.
So just wondering would it be too much info given if you can confirm if the VKB is multitouch or not? :)
which the teaser was ... ;)
And guess who was the most recent big name to leave Nokia...
I bet it was Rich Green that leaked the teaser!!!
Is it bad that I am paying attention to this thread more than I'm paying attention to my girlfriend? lol
IsaacDFP
2011-06-10, 16:20
Most people wouldn't admit it....but that's the choice most of us are having to make. Outside of Nokia, I'm a Samsung supporter. But I'm rolling with the n9 this go around. But the s2 does turn a few heads. I could see a good bit of people wanting to know how the two compare.
Yea, but I wanna hear it from the guy that actually played with the N9 device, lol. After having the phone, what would still make him say the S2 is great
IsaacDFP
2011-06-10, 16:21
Is it bad that I am paying attention to this thread more than I'm paying attention to my girlfriend? lol
Probably not as bad as me putting my client on hold (on phone) to write this message :P
mikecomputing
2011-06-10, 16:22
Well, yeah, sure, it's the 21st, not the 26th!
http://www.nokiaconnection.net/event.php
No, thats only a Microsoft garbage strategy conference....
No announcement there...
I cannot wait another 14 days someone tell me the phone will be presented before 26 please.
The phone will be presented before the 26th...
Meh... no matter how great the upcoming Android devices are, I just can't get used enough to Android to justify buying an Android device. I had a Desire for a couple of weeks, but ditched it and went back to my trusty N900.
i did before...
my guess:
thats the cam for gesture control ;)
Tht seems to be a likely reason for the shift in camera position. So a front-facng camera in landsacep mode - doubles up as a gesture recognition camera in portrait / landscape mode.
At least hope so - what with the rumours of this "fantastic" feature coming to the N9.
Its So close Now I dont want it announced,
This thread as been good to me will be sad to say goodbye and move on to Harmattan Announced thread :(:(:(:(:)
Its So close Now I dont want it announced,
This thread as been good to me will be sad to say goodbye and move on to Harmattan Announced thread :(:(:(:(:)
But it MUST be announced. How else should I have a reason to do the Harmattan Celebration Dance? :D
In ideal world (which we know does not exist) i would like to have WP as a main smartphone platform (as Elop said himself...let him have his baby) S40 as 3rd world mobile...and nice posh high-end devices running Meego.
No, it's enough that M$ has monopolized the desktop. No need to see WP at all on the mobile scene. Oh, well, M$ pours millions into it, so it'll come, with Nokia as a puppet to push it.
Some Bloggers have been invited to an Event next week in UK, couple are saying openly its the N9 launch, Time Will Tell
Some Bloggers have been invited to an Event next week in UK, couple are saying openly its the N9 launch
they do? where?
Some Bloggers have been invited to an Event next week in UK, couple are saying openly its the N9 launch, Time Will Tell
Any link?
filler text
xxMurdakillxx
2011-06-10, 17:54
Meh... no matter how great the upcoming Android devices are, I just can't get used enough to Android to justify buying an Android device. I had a Desire for a couple of weeks, but ditched it and went back to my trusty N900.
Yeah I feel you on not liking Android, me personally I am okay with it because I usually browse the web, watch YouTube, and send text messages during most of my usage. I carry a Nexus S can't speak for the Desire but I don't do bloatware, had to be stock. I'm really not even that (cyanogen) but I'm interested in seeing how much this n9 blows my current phone out of the water. I'm looking for all around improvements....like how the galaxy s2 stacks up against my current phone. Hoping this device is all that and more.
1337INT13H
2011-06-10, 17:59
keyboard is good. cannot explain better. for rest wait launch and self experience. do not like andro much but damn galaxy 2 is sweet :D
hardware on meego phone not to that level sad. but its ok , phone as smooth or maybe more too.
]hardware on meego phone not to that level sad. but its ok , phone as smooth or maybe more too.
Why is it sad? Are you saying the build quality is not to that level of the SGII??
OR you MEAN - "it doesn't have specifications to that level right, i.e ...SoC, RAM,, anything else"
surely it's the latter!!!
I would think for most here + old Symbian users Android has been their OS of choice.
Either i buy N9 or keep on my iphone 4+N900 combo till something really "new" and interesting comes out.
I bought GS when it was announced. It's unfortunately was missing some polish and my GS was buggy has hell including Google accounts bug that hundreds of people have been complaining since the beginning of Android over at Google support but no fix in over 2 years time. Got fed up of the phone after 5 months.
Hate to say it but i'm enjoying my iphone 4 much more than GS. It just simply works. I'm all against the itunes crap and that i can't modify many things inside the phone, something i don't understand how people can call that a positive, but when you got your stuff inside the phone like you want it i have had no problem at all.
A bit burned out of gadgets at the moment. Somehow Android just doesn't interest me at the moment. Kind of like on the Symbian hey days when you started feeling that they are just updating features, but what really new are you actually getting and paying for?
WP in it's own way looks something a bit different to others and i might get one to test the OS next year.
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Why is it sad? Are you saying the build quality is not to that level of the SGII??
He is talking most likely about the screen, RAM and SOC.
1337INT13H
2011-06-10, 18:18
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Why is it sad? Are you saying the build quality is not to that level of the SGII??
OR you MEAN - "it doesn't have specifications to that level right, i.e ...SoC, RAM,, anything else"
surely it's the latter!!!
Yes true that
what about the UK's event for the N9 launch?
The Wizard of Huz
2011-06-10, 18:45
IMO Android is just plain ugly. If I don't like the new N9/50 which I will keep my N900 for another year (or 2). Or if it breaks down move to WebOS. I think that is still the best alternative to Maemo/Meego at the moment. Very lively community doing all kinds of stuff with WebOS.
what about the UK's event for the N9 launch?
Tried twitter, norm Nokia blogs and google. Did not find anything at all.
I didn't find anything too.
So where did you get the whole idea?I didn't find anything too.
1337INT13H
2011-06-10, 19:02
IMO Android is just plain ugly. If I don't like the new N9/50 which I will keep my N900 for another year (or 2). Or if it breaks down move to WebOS. I think that is still the best alternative to Maemo/Meego at the moment. Very lively community doing all kinds of stuff with WebOS.
Ahh ..WebOS, the successor the the predeccesor PalmOS from the foundations of PALM. I just don't like the cloud type Synchronizations approaches, much prefer desktop synch clients.
At least it's Linux, open architecture. Good with multitasking, & fancy transitional GUI.
1337INT13H
2011-06-10, 19:08
There are rumours that some UK bloggers have been invited to a UK launch event coming soon indeed, but neither can I find any evidence to substantiate the claim by whoever claim came from to the respected party of individuals who are just prob stirring up some comotion on something happening soon
1337INT13H
2011-06-10, 19:14
I don't want to subscribe to google. It's something to do with Privacy of data, information being taken without my authority & consent. Being uploaded to google servers or being given to just anyone. NO I don't want google knowing "everything" about me. Android is now getting so popular that viruses are being written for it. haha, maemo linux rules.!!
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1337INT13H
2011-06-10, 19:17
*247 posts away from the BIG 5000!! :D
Let me contribute another post towards the milestone :)
So where did you get the whole idea?
nvyUS get the whole idea...:)
but why we cannot find anything abaut this event? i want know :mad:
paweltrzpis
2011-06-10, 19:27
'But I don't think Anssi would even do it. He's plenty wealthy. He has a new job. But Nokia would really need him now. So lets assume Jorma Ollila manages to get Anssi Vanjoki to return to Nokia, temporarily, as co-CEO in the interim period to help run the Nokia in deep trouble, together with Ollila, until the new CEO has been hired. Nice idea? Anssi could for example instantly take over the recall and redesign of the failed E7 flagship phone, and even more importantly, to oversee the rapid launch of Nokia's first MeeGo phone (the N9) which was ready for launch in January but killed by Elop only days from launch.'
http://www.communities-dominate.blogs.com
ELOP=TOOL
'But I don't think Anssi would even do it. He's plenty wealthy. He has a new job. But Nokia would really need him now. So lets assume Jorma Ollila manages to get Anssi Vanjoki to return to Nokia, temporarily, as co-CEO in the interim period to help run the Nokia in deep trouble, together with Ollila, until the new CEO has been hired. Nice idea? Anssi could for example instantly take over the recall and redesign of the failed E7 flagship phone, and even more importantly, to oversee the rapid launch of Nokia's first MeeGo phone (the N9) which was ready for launch in January but killed by Elop only days from launch.'
http://www.communities-dominate.blogs.com
ELOP=TOOL
Honestly Ahonen has lost it long time ago with his Symbian talks. He is past his time and just foaming these days.
I believe harmattan was by no means ready for launch early 2011.
1337INT13H
2011-06-10, 19:53
Is Nokia picking up the pieces of a broken dream?
i only found this one on twitter
„Woot, @WOMWorldNokia got me all excited for next week's event... Nokia is really thinking BIG for that one :)“
and from the same guy
„ @RiccWebb Nokia releases N9, bam, I said it xD @Nokia_Fan"
1337INT13H
2011-06-10, 20:12
So I guesse the screen Haptikos technology is something of a mystery. where the receptors in your little fingers can be given electro vibration stimulation to make you feel like you are touching something real, like a real keyboard for instance??:) Or I am wrong
xaxaxa :D imagine to touch the sceen with water in your hands loll
blackbox
2011-06-10, 20:19
Honestly Ahonen has lost it long time ago with his Symbian talks. He is past his time and just foaming these days.
I believe harmattan was by no means ready for launch early 2011.
Harmattan was, Meego wasn't
paweltrzpis
2011-06-10, 20:19
Twitter:
zehjotkah
Nokia N9 revealed! http://bit.ly/kjIHrb
..shame link takes you to google.com..not funny Zeh just not funny ;)
Edit: thought ill put it just here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0fjmDvDD9o
480p?...4:3?...joke?
The Wizard of Huz
2011-06-10, 20:30
Ahh ..WebOS, the successor the the predeccesor PalmOS from the foundations of PALM.
True. The foundations of Palm. Still love the old Palm OS. Good usability. Too bad the new Palm failed.
I just don't like the cloud type Synchronizations approaches, much prefer desktop synch clients.
True. I hope it is possible to turn cloud sync off.
At least it's Linux, open architecture. Good with multitasking, & fancy transitional GUI.
Before I had the N900 I did not care much for open architecture. But now I have seen what is possible with the community backing combined with open source it is hard to go back. I love the idea that anything is possible with OSS.
1337INT13H
2011-06-10, 20:32
google search page joke!
not funny zeh. at least you could link us to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y&feature=related
What was the first smart phone from nokia? Nokia 9210? I was thinking how many smart phones have released until now becouse this can be the last one...
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