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forumnokia Forum Nokia Team :
What’s your lucky number? We think it might be 18. Stay tuned for more info coming on 1 June. Tell a friend. #18K
recently posted on twitter think this just confirms what mark guim says about june 1st device announcement!!!
:):):):):):):):):D:D:D:D:D;););)
IsaacDFP
2011-05-27, 17:53
Well, that is still a step backward from N900/ Maemo 5.
I guess N900/Maemo 5 is al least TWO steps ahead from the competition with regard to multitasking :-)
Thank You!! I honestly DO NOT understand why people DON'T get it!! It's not about the grids! It's about pressing one button and seeing ALL of your apps *at the same time* without having to swipe to change screens. Have you seen the multitasking on WP7 portrait? Wow, horrible... That's the one part of MeeGo I never understood...why they making it droid-like... Have the grid automatically resize depending on the number on running apps you have, and please real-time update...
Metsämies
2011-05-27, 17:54
forumnokia Forum Nokia Team :
What’s your lucky number? We think it might be 18. Stay tuned for more info coming on 1 June. Tell a friend. #18K
recently posted on twitter think this just confirms what mark guim says about june 1st device announcement!!!
:):):):):):):):):D:D:D:D:D;););)
Only 18k made ?
forumnokia Forum Nokia Team :
What’s your lucky number? We think it might be 18. Stay tuned for more info coming on 1 June. Tell a friend. #18K
recently posted on twitter think this just confirms what mark guim says about june 1st device announcement!!!
:):):):):):):):):D:D:D:D:D;););)
What's the 18k all about? can't be number of dev devices they will distribute or can it be?
I'm confused b/c that posts could mean anything
In case you haven't noticed:
Even better than this, we will be giving five lucky developers who respond to the survey a Nokia Qt developer device – and it is NOT an N900 or a Symbian device (note that we are not setting a date for this – we must wait for the device to be announced ).
http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/27/tell-us-what-you-think-take-the-qt-sdk-survey-earn-points-and-win-a-device/
What a steal! Post 3000 is mine:D
Well it went to the right person for sure! Are you lurking in this thread to see if it would be possible to have Meego UI in Total Gym?
AndyNokia232
2011-05-27, 18:06
Since the minor letdown of no announcement since TeaserGate last week, I've been rediscovering my N900 and its potential. Installed CuteTube QML which is just amazing, re-jigged all my music and wallpapers, changed my notification sounds (thanks Nicolai and ProfilesX) - this little beast is going to be my mobile for ages yet. There's just no reason to ditch it. And I'm not going to swap it up for a keyboardless, support-lacking one off.
I'll save the $$$ and wait until a REAL equivalent to this thing comes out. I just hope it'll be a Nokia.
mikecomputing
2011-05-27, 18:08
....
2)TheNokiaBlog even before start of meego conferance was the first site to report that the developer device product distribution has been reportedly been moved to june!!!
see article publish date...
http://thenokiablog.com/2011/05/11/nokia-meego-developer-device/
Since when was a blogger an official source ;)
What's the 18k all about? can't be number of dev devices they will distribute or can it be?
I'm confused b/c that posts could mean anything
I think it some kind of nokia för competition.. 18k gold..
mikecomputing
2011-05-27, 18:11
Video was from May 2010, so i think he was talkiing about last year :rolleyes: :D
We all know that the plan changed and reasons why.
**** sake I have too check date better when clicking does links. Second time today I took 2010 as 2011 :-( Well atleast there is still hope fore announcement in summer then :-D
The Wizard of Huz
2011-05-27, 18:39
Why a step backward?
Because in Maemo you have 4x4 grid of app instead of 3x3?
Yes, among others. Why only 3x3 if it is such a high resolution screen and high spec (ram) device? The other being that you need another step to get into grid view. The grid view should be the default and horizontal view secondary. I don't understand why list view is held in such high regard.
In case you haven't noticed:
Even better than this, we will be giving five lucky developers who respond to the survey a Nokia Qt developer device – and it is NOT an N900 or a Symbian device (note that we are not setting a date for this – we must wait for the device to be announced ).
http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/27/tell-us-what-you-think-take-the-qt-sdk-survey-earn-points-and-win-a-device/
@misterc does that say consumer device or developer device, I can't seem to read it correctly ;):D
@misterc does that say consumer device or developer device, I can't seem to read it correctly ;):D
that sounds like consumer device that 5 (FIVE) lucky developers will get a little earlier then we will. :confused:
call it a developer device if it suits you :D
just my old scratched & skipping record...
that sounds like consumer device that 5 (FIVE) lucky developers will get a little earlier then we will. :confused:
call it a developer device if it suits you :D
just my old scratched & skipping record...
I'll get a Dev device with KB and a Consumer device without, its so great knowing few good people. ;)
NOKIA CONNECTING PEOPLE:D
N9 hits FCC??? Nokia N9 Teaser Video (3,002) VS The Epic Android Thread (3,452)
Let the battle begin...first to 5000,
Hope whatever we get it would be as epic as this thread :D
I'll get a Dev device with KB and a Consumer device without, its so great knowing few good people. ;)
NOKIA CONNECTING PEOPLE:D
and do you know when you will get the (devices)? :)
I'll get a Dev device with KB and a Consumer device without, its so great knowing few good people. ;)
NOKIA CONNECTING PEOPLE:D
you mean they have to get ride of those 92'000+ relics?
sure, will look nice next to the N900 on the shelf, right?
why give it to only 5 developers if there are 92'000 available? :confused:
according to Harlow we will all get early-adopter tech geek devices.
i can live with that :D
and do you know when you will get the (devices)? :)
I told all I know or willing to let you know 5 or 6 days ago now. everything I've said since I've been on a wind up and to be honest I have no Exact date for devices, and don't want to send emails every 5 minutes when a question comes up in this thread I don't know answer to.
it would just end up annoying the source and me getting ignored at some stage so I pick my Emails wisely
Hope whatever we get it would be as epic as this thread :D
that could be anything from hitting stones to start the fire to NSA grade technology :cool:
What's the 18k all about? can't be number of dev devices they will distribute or can it be?
I'm confused b/c that posts could mean anything
18'000 posts on this thread, maybe?
sjgadsby
2011-05-27, 19:58
What's the 18k all about?
It's double 9000.
It's double 9000.
you sure its not treble 6000
That article is lousy, it doesn't say which rumours she was denying. There are plenty of rumours going around that one of them must come close to the mark. So is she denying the rumour that it will have a keyboard or the rumour that it won't or maybe she is denying both with the implication that there will be more than one device contrary to previous official statements.
NOKIA doesn't comment on rumours.
neither in quantity nor in quality (colour, taste, smell, texture...)
nada. :(
that's why we are all here :D
hint: you missed the point ;)
I'll get a Dev device with KB and a Consumer device without, its so great knowing few good people. ;)
NOKIA CONNECTING PEOPLE:D
hahaha good one
this thread is not only a source of info (wellll ..kind of) but it also a place for a few good laughs
In case you haven't noticed:
Damm, I hate you. ;-)
I did the survey, but I wanted to be not very widely known so I could have more chances. :D
As I have read, and if I understood correctly, for processors with an FPU hardfp is much faster. That should mean that even with last years processor meego should be far faster than maemo, and possibly, as there is no VM in the middle, faster than Android, on the same CPU.
Damm, I hate you. ;-)
I did the survey, but I wanted to be not very widely known so I could have more chances. :D
if i would win one, i would change it for the consumer version, if someone here wants it :D
I wonder what happens when Nokia really announces something...
4000 postings in 3 days?!
aironeous
2011-05-27, 22:50
meego devices at conference.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/25/meego-conference-2011-sights-and-sounds-video/#disqus_thread
I wonder what happens when Nokia really announces something...
4000 postings in 3 days?!
IF history repeats, there will be several camps: one that loves it, those that hate it, those that think they could have done better, those that profess that competitors would have done it different, those that will not spend money on it, those that want 2, those that want a keygboard, those that want a Dpad, those that want ubiquitous portrait mode, those that wonder if it will bring world peace.....
In actual fact, most people will have to leave the forum to be alone for a while.
meego devices at conference.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/25/meego-conference-2011-sights-and-sounds-video/#disqus_thread
If the "news" is older than two hours it's already posted in this thread .... multiple times. :p
nwerneck
2011-05-27, 23:31
I know the hardware keyboard is important to many, but my number 1 question still is: will there be USB connector issues like in N900? That was really awful, I am curious to see if they will make sure to have a much better design this time.
mikecomputing
2011-05-28, 00:06
I wonder what happens when Nokia really announces something...
4000 postings in 3 days?!
that will happen 2015 is my guess. And when it happens we all are soo damn bored of rumors so we have moved too a different platform ;)
If the "news" is older than two hours it's already posted in this thread .... multiple times. :p
You are wrong. We know it even before it makes the news. :D
Since when was a blogger an official source ;)
Doesn't it strike you as strange that when many people blogged as well as said that they have insider connection to Nokia's managagment who have said that devices will be available at conference this guy moved against the tide and reported that they weren't .
Seems that only he has an actual inside connection to nokia !!!
:):):):):):D:D:D:D:D;)
Yes, among others. Why only 3x3 if it is such a high resolution screen and high spec (ram) device? The other being that you need another step to get into grid view. The grid view should be the default and horizontal view secondary. I don't understand why list view is held in such high regard.
I read from somewhere that it should remember the last view mode so if you leave the grid view and open the task manager again it's in grid view. Or maybe this was a feature request, can't remember.
or maybe he had enough common sense knowing nokia probably wouldnt do it and took a risk and it payed off
Mark Guim is not just another blogger.
Yes, among others. Why only 3x3 if it is such a high resolution screen and high spec (ram) device? The other being that you need another step to get into grid view. The grid view should be the default and horizontal view secondary. I don't understand why list view is held in such high regard.
e.g.:
you have two terminal windows open
one is the "casual" user
2nd is root
3x3, leave alone 4x4 there is no way to tell which is which
(on top of that, if memory serves well, the order is not fixed (e.g. order in which there were opened) but seems to have a mind of its own :confused:)
one row alleviates this seriously :cool:
Doesn't it strike you as strange that when many people blogged as well as said that they have insider connection to Nokia's managagment who have said that devices will be available at conference this guy moved against the tide and reported that they weren't .
Seems that only he has an actual inside connection to nokia !!!
:):):):):):D:D:D:D:D;)
or uses his common sense before hitting the POST button?
Stephan Elop explains NOKIA's new strategy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMQ9FKp-1Jw&feature=player_embedded
+ why is China so important (not only for NOKIA, btw)
+ support for Symbian 'til 2016 (at least)
not a word about MeeGo, but... a couple things to see
? anyone knows Chinese?
The Wizard of Huz
2011-05-28, 14:49
e.g.:
you have two terminal windows open
one is the "casual" user
2nd is root
3x3, leave alone 4x4 there is no way to tell which is which
(on top of that, if memory serves well, the order is not fixed (e.g. order in which there were opened) but seems to have a mind of its own :confused:)
one row alleviates this seriously :cool:
Maybe it is not visible to you.:D
Most of the times if the little windows are not at the beginning state ( i.e. if you've already did something in that window) than it is easily visible which window you need.
Besides, even if it is true what you are saying, why downgrade to 3x3 and not leave it to 4x4? What advantages are there in using 3x3 over 4x4?
hm, the link says there is a nokia_rm680 as well as a nokia_rm696
hm, the link says there is a nokia_rm680 as well as a nokia_rm696
which link do you mean?
did a google search on rm 696 and unexpectedly found this !!!
Now we definaely know that rm 680 or n9 has led light whcih is same n900 type controller
http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/mce.ini#line498
:):):):):D
hm, the link says there is a nokia_rm680 as well as a nokia_rm696
which link do you mean?
what the heck is rm 696
New Device ?
:):):):):):):):):D
whats an njoy controller?
is this some name of a peripheral that nokia's gonna come out with ?
http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/mce.ini#line562
:D:D:D:D
what the heck is rm 696
New Device ?
:):):):):):):):):D
rm-696 is supposed to be the consumer N9 (KB-Less device)
btw have a look at these
http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/mce-hal.h
4 meego devices ? in the works ???!!!
Guess there is still some hope in going qt after all !!!!
RM696 was found ages back.
not sure if i posted this link here back last year when i found it, anyway how many devices do you see http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-bluetooth/msg07963.html
I think there was actually more than 6 devices at one stage mentioned on a bug Filed against something on Qt harmattan related.
obviously some are probably proto's that never get public and some are internal devel boards.
There is probably many others knocking about too
Bhairav, i think you can fit all that to one post. ;)
RM-696 has long been the rumored "lankku", nonwerty device. Yes they have many devices in works(like they should and is normal) but we just get to see some of them.
aironeous
2011-05-28, 18:25
If the "news" is older than two hours it's already posted in this thread .... multiple times. :p
wrong I've been reading the thread and that wasn't here.
zehjotkah
2011-05-28, 18:32
Hey guys (and girls?)!
Just thought I should give you a heads up.
You'll love the consumer device even without keyboard. Nokia is using a patented, new technology, not seen in any other device in the market.
crisscross
2011-05-28, 18:35
Hey guys (and girls?)!
Just thought I should give you a heads up.
You'll love the consumer device even without keyboard. Nokia is using a patented, new technology, not seen in any other device in the market.
Is it Zforce by Neonode? ;)
Hey guys (and girls?)!
Just thought I should give you a heads up.
You'll love the consumer device even without keyboard. Nokia is using a patented, new technology, not seen in any other device in the market.
OOOOoooooh!:eek:
Is it a virtual keyboard, like a Kinnect for the n900!!!:cool:
Hey guys (and girls?)!
Just thought I should give you a heads up.
You'll love the consumer device even without keyboard. Nokia is using a patented, new technology, not seen in any other device in the market.
Heads up reminds me how Marko Ahtisaari mentioned how Nokia aims to give users their "heads up back" instead of watching the screen "head down".
gryedouge
2011-05-28, 19:01
Hey guys (and girls?)!
Just thought I should give you a heads up.
You'll love the consumer device even without keyboard. Nokia is using a patented, new technology, not seen in any other device in the market.
so we are not looking at an iphone killer but at a possible game changer? that sounds pretty exciting!
Hey guys (and girls?)!
Just thought I should give you a heads up.
You'll love the consumer device even without keyboard. Nokia is using a patented, new technology, not seen in any other device in the market.
have you seen the device in real or was it just an „insider“ telling you?
mikecomputing
2011-05-28, 19:20
btw have a look at these
http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/mce-hal.h
4 meego devices ? in the works ???!!!
Guess there is still some hope in going qt after all !!!!
they where until nokia decided go wp7
mikecomputing
2011-05-28, 19:25
patented? sounds bad to me.
Or I change to IF softwarepatents its bad. not good for the open source if soo.
patented? sounds bad to me. since when was softwarepatent good for the open source?
where does it say software?
mikecomputing
2011-05-28, 19:35
where does it say software?
hmm nowhere.. Changed my post too IF
I'll believe it when I see it.
paweltrzpis
2011-05-28, 19:39
Hey guys (and girls?)!
Just thought I should give you a heads up.
You'll love the consumer device even without keyboard. Nokia is using a patented, new technology, not seen in any other device in the market.
mmmm this one? http://smallsurfaces.com/2008/01/nokia-patent-on-gestural-ui/
http://www.unwiredview.com/2008/01/08/first-glimpse-inside-nokia-s60-touch-going-beyond-multi-touch/
Reflektorfalke
2011-05-28, 19:54
mmmm this one? http://smallsurfaces.com/2008/01/nokia-patent-on-gestural-ui/
http://www.unwiredview.com/2008/01/08/first-glimpse-inside-nokia-s60-touch-going-beyond-multi-touch/
Hopefully its something like pawels links show and not something like this, as it sounds ridiculous to me :rolleyes::
http://www.unwiredview.com/2007/10/03/nokias-lid-on-a-touchscreen-interface/
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220070222765%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20070222765&RS=DN/20070222765
paweltrzpis
2011-05-28, 20:04
i might be wrong but from what i remember from some post over here it would indicate on touchless gestures being implemented in this device...
..,or not lol - we aint gonna know until Elop say so..
I'll believe it when I see it.
Actually, not quite right. You only will see it if you believe it. Furher, it is true. you will not ever need a keyboard again because it reads your mind. The only problem is that sometimes things show up on the screen that you don't want anybody to see.This is the main reason the n9 has been delayed. Nokia hasn't quite figured out how to prevent this.
have you seen the device in real or was it just an „insider“ telling you?
watch the video
you'll have your answer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMQ9FKp-1Jw&feature=player_embedded
Hey guys (and girls?)!
Just thought I should give you a heads up.
You'll love the consumer device even without keyboard. Nokia is using a patented, new technology, not seen in any other device in the market.
Not to sound like a a## but please either say something that got a meaning or nothing. As you said before maybe it would be better not to say anything anymore.
When your rumors are right according to you another day and not the day after you are not doing it right. It's not exactly good hyping up material, like any past Nokia release past 3 years.
Truly working Nokia's patented and demoed haptikos from 2007 would be amazing though.
http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533
Go go Barca!! .../ random add. :D
Actually, not quite right. You only will see it if you believe it.
That above sentence makes no sense. I will believe it once it's out... thus seen. As it stands, my faith in the nebulous statements, sentiments that are derived from secondary or tertiary connections does not inspire faith. Simply stated; I will believe it once Nokia releases something. My original statement stands.
Furher
Ich bin nicht der Furhrer. Vielleicht... der User.
it is true. you will not ever need a keyboard again because it reads your mind. The only problem is that sometimes things show up on the screen that you don't want anybody to see.This is the main reason the n9 has been delayed. Nokia hasn't quite figured out how to prevent this.
heh. Whomever has it right now... they're not too thrilled with what I'm thinking...
nwerneck
2011-05-29, 00:12
mmmm this one? http://smallsurfaces.com/2008/01/nokia-patent-on-gestural-ui/
http://www.unwiredview.com/2008/01/08/first-glimpse-inside-nokia-s60-touch-going-beyond-multi-touch/
Is it Zforce by Neonode? ;)
That is all really cool. But I don't know... The problem with Nokia is not about having or developing great and innovative technology, but bringing it to the market and exploring the potential. Actually using it to "kill the iphone" or whatever. "Capitalize" on it. I hope we start to see that changing. And June 1st if possible!
AndyNokia232
2011-05-29, 00:13
The N9 is the phantom of the mobile opera -- he wears the mask and doesn't reveal himself until the end.
I have managed to impress Android and iPhone friends this evening with Sociality and CuteTube QML --- the N900 still reigns supreme yo. My girlfriend's N8 even died tonight - can not charge it at all, probably f*cked.
The N900 is the business. It maybe fat but it is phat. And yes, ghetto is the way to go. I even used Instintiv where their Shazam let them down. N900 rules 2011! :)
nwerneck
2011-05-29, 01:00
The N9 is the phantom of the mobile opera -- he wears the mask and doesn't reveal himself until the end.
Let's only hope it's not a disfigured monster!!! :) The man in the iron mask perhaps? :cool:
My girlfriend ... tonight ... probably f*cked.
Dude, TMI, we don't wanna know!... :eek:
AndyNokia232
2011-05-29, 01:03
Let's only hope it's not a disfigured monster!!! :) The man in the iron mask perhaps? :cool:
Dude, TMI, we don't wanna know!... :eek:
Dude, your editing skills are shite ;)
AndyNokia232
2011-05-29, 01:05
Holding down the power button for an eternity made her N8 buzz three times, so hopefully it's saved. That would've been an expensive $400 fix. Why do Nokia do this to us...?
AndyNokia232
2011-05-29, 01:43
Nokia, why do you tease us so,
Memories of complete reliability,
We're in an age of everything, yo
Can your N9 burn the negativity?
Nokia, why do you tease us so,
Memories of complete reliability,
We're in an age of everything, yo
Can your N9 burn the negativity?
the hardware may be ready, the software obviously isn't.
we'll have to wait 'til they are satisfied.
or do you want to have to same kind of debacle with MeeGo as it happened for m@ke$$h!t with v!$t0?
they made the mistake of announcing the N900 before it was ready, why doing it again with its successor?
If it does have ultrasonic transducers embedded in display
won't it have a problem with bats :eek:
as well as people from environmental health and hazard department :eek::eek:
But i don't care as long as it becomes a smashing hit and qt is saved !!!
:D:D:D:D
Frappacino
2011-05-29, 05:45
i thought mr z blogger wasnt going to comment anymore
now another useless comment to stir up the natives ? u having fun doing this or what ?
Just had a tip that the new "Heads Up" experience is buzzing You neeed to learn Morse Code to read the BuZZing signals, no need to look down ever again.
Dash dot, dash dash dash, dash dot dash, dot dot, dot dash
watch the video
you'll have your answer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMQ9FKp-1Jw&feature=player_embedded
Elop using a nokia aura meego operated phone at end of video!
http://www.cellphonesmarket.com/news/nokia-aura-meego-concept-phone/
mikecomputing
2011-05-29, 11:54
The N9 is the phantom of the mobile opera -- he wears the mask and doesn't reveal himself until the end.
I have managed to impress Android and iPhone friends this evening with Sociality and CuteTube QML --- the N900 still reigns supreme yo. My girlfriend's N8 even died tonight - can not charge it at all, probably f*cked.
The N900 is the business. It maybe fat but it is phat. And yes, ghetto is the way to go. I even used Instintiv where their Shazam let them down. N900 rules 2011! :)
some iphone funs at my work found an app now thry can sync they facebook contacts on ios. wtf?? That I have done since 2009 on my n900 :D
mikecomputing
2011-05-29, 11:57
If it does have ultrasonic transducers embedded in display
won't it have a problem with bats :eek:
as well as people from environmental health and hazard department :eek::eek:
But i don't care as long as it becomes a smashing hit and qt is saved !!!
:D:D:D:D
Qt is saved without Nokia too.
mikecomputing
2011-05-29, 12:09
Elop using a nokia aura meego operated phone at end of video!
http://www.cellphonesmarket.com/news/nokia-aura-meego-concept-phone/
"very proven platform" hmmmm is that really meego?
Elop using a nokia aura meego operated phone at end of video!
http://www.cellphonesmarket.com/news/nokia-aura-meego-concept-phone/
he is using a oro not a aura
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/05/25/gold-ringer-introducing-nokia-oro/
crisscross
2011-05-29, 12:22
"very proven platform" hmmmm is that really meego?
Of course not, he even says that it is the Oro, very expensive exclusive but symbian...
Edit: NvyUs already said that
sjgadsby
2011-05-29, 13:30
the hardware may be ready, the software obviously isn't.
At the Dublin MeeGo conference, people using Harmattan certainly indicated it wasn't ready. However, in recent weeks I've heard no such talk. Have you been reading that Harmattan is unstable?
It may be we need to expand our area of search a bit to find the true source of delay.
nwerneck
2011-05-29, 14:52
Have you been reading that Harmattan is unstable?
Of course it's unstable! No one can take hold of Harmattan. And more, it will arrive only in November, will cause airlines millions of dollars in cancelled flights, and will also irritate uses exposed to it for too long. But they will also feel some relief due to its freshness. :p
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmattan
any news?
I want moar news!!!
he is using a oro not a aura
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/05/25/gold-ringer-introducing-nokia-oro/
back to square one... :confused:
apologies about that :(
darn those names, instead of the go'ol' numbers :mad:
still, does anyone know Chinese & can tell what's written above the keyboard device in the background?
odd place to display a developer device,no?
or are the Chinese going to be the lucky one to get the 92'000 relics and because the demand was so strong, there were none left for SF?
since when is FCC certification required for China? :eek:
maybe they launch device at computex ?
:-)
back to square one... :confused:
apologies about that :(
darn those names, instead of the go'ol' numbers :mad:
still, does anyone know Chinese & can tell what's written above the keyboard device in the background?
odd place to display a developer device,no?
or are the Chinese going to be the lucky one to get the 92'000 relics and because the demand was so strong, there were none left for SF?
since when is FCC certification required for China? :eek:
that would be purely stupid !!!
whats the use of giving a half baked incomplete device without apps to consumers
theyll just laugh at nokia again
no matter how good they think it is
in order to ("take on" strike that)
completely destroy the competion which should now be noki'as aim
they'l show the consumers how stupid they all are !!!
by wanting to destroy the platform ?!!!:eek::eek:
whatll be the use of partnering a company like ms if they dont combine their knowledge ?????!!!:D
odd place to display a developer device,no?
or are the Chinese going to be the lucky one to get the 92'000 relics
:
Only thing i see in the background is a Nokia E7
NOKIA doesn't comment on rumours.
neither in quantity nor in quality (colour, taste, smell, texture...)
nada. :(
that's why we are all here :D
hint: you missed the point ;)So you post a link to an article with no useful content, ask a question that you should know what answers you'll get from people here (maybe it was rhetorical), and there was an actual point? Yeah, I guess I missed it. :D
mikecomputing
2011-05-29, 18:16
maybe they launch device at computex ?
:-)
WP device yes.
Hey guys (and girls?)!
Just thought I should give you a heads up.
You'll love the consumer device even without keyboard. Nokia is using a patented, new technology, not seen in any other device in the market.Ooooh, has it got a solid-holo keyboard which negates the need for a real one? I'd definitely buy one if it did. :D
Just thought I should give you a heads up.
Are you paid by NOKIA to keep this thread going? :)
You'll love the consumer device even without keyboard. Nokia is using a patented, new technology, not seen in any other device in the market.
Okay... If you're paid you made a good job. ;) :D
I'm currently trying to imaginate myself how a on screen touchscreen keyboard could work without hiding any kind of content.
But I have currently no Idea how this could work?? :confused:
Could you give us a additional hint? ;)
dtergens
2011-05-29, 21:14
zehjotkah, is it this new technology in the device ?
http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/nokia-haptics.pdf
Don't expect an outright answer.
dtergens
2011-05-29, 21:25
lol, I think I saw him this morning with the device in his hand ... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2N7ddjJOkNI/TcB95aj_syI/AAAAAAAAARc/OCZa4nfLSeQ/s1600/nose.jpg ^^
come on zehjo, it's just a device ...
one week ago zehjotkah said that he hasn’t got the device. and now he is talking about special features of that device?! BTW he has no NDA, so why should Nokia show him anything?
EDIT: Maybe he is looking for new job at Nokia and this (spreading rumors -> cheapest way of marketing) is his acceptance test :D
So in terms of marketing he is an „Opinion Maker/Leader“.
nokia has nothing to show. Sit back and relax. Have a smoke...
zeh is not paid by nokia or something like that. the thing is that he knows people from nokia or other companys and is providing us the information he is getting so dont be that hard to him. i am happy that he is still believing that the next meego device ill be great. and i do believe it either.
but yes, its hard when he says something like this (his last comment), but nothing more. then it would be really better saying nothing then that...
hey stop... im just joking...
@zeh: please keep on rolling and give us every bit of information you like ;)
@all: remember, this thread is epic due to its first class rumors, we are the source :D
now my 2ct:
i will buy nokias next meego device, regardless of having a hwkb or not or any special spec, like many people here too, just because it will be the meego device from nokia. isnt it that the reason why all of us are here? so keep on rumoring for the next epic device :D
nwerneck
2011-05-30, 01:22
i will buy nokias next meego device, regardless of having a hwkb or not or any special spec, like many people here too, just because it will be the meego device from nokia. isnt it that the reason why all of us are here? so keep on rumoring for the next epic device :D
Myself, I have a N800, so just the memory and clock upgrades will already be awesome to me. And the keyboard, if it happens, will be a plus! :) I only hope it's not too expensive, I wouldn't dare paying more than US$500 even if it came with that EEG kit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Qc8h9WAkk
now my 2ct:
i will buy nokias next meego device, regardless of having a hwkb or not or any special spec, like many people here too, just because it will be the meego device from nokia. isnt it that the reason why all of us are here? so keep on rumoring for the next epic device :D
Nokia was the only manufacturer producing a phone that nearly replaced my laptop. That means its running the closest thing to a full fledged Linux and it has a hardware keyboard.
The reason I am here is because i was hoping to acquire a replacement for it in the near future but if Nokia don't produce it, somebody else will, whether its LG, the chinese or the mafia, i don't care.
A company should work to assure the loyalty of the costumers, not the other way around.
Patented or not, I'd rather have a hw keyboard there.
The thread has left the active topics, what a shame. Back quickly!
zehjotkah
2011-05-30, 07:17
one week ago zehjotkah said that he hasn’t got the device. and now he is talking about special features of that device?! BTW he has no NDA, so why should Nokia show him anything?
I still don't have it. At that time, "one week ago" I knew very little about that device, but then I met some really nice folks.
Don't think of Nokia as of "official company Nokia" but as of "employees of Nokia".
EDIT: Maybe he is looking for new job at Nokia and this (spreading rumors -> cheapest way of marketing) is his acceptance test :D
So in terms of marketing he is an „Opinion Maker/Leader“.
I'd never work at Nokia after Feb11. In fact I think they don't want me talking about their devices (if they notice this thread at all). But they can't do anything against it.
Are we close to 10000?
Let's wait and see what happens in September.
zehjotkah
2011-05-30, 07:38
At the Dublin MeeGo conference, people using Harmattan certainly indicated it wasn't ready. However, in recent weeks I've heard no such talk. Have you been reading that Harmattan is unstable?
Exactly. After 11Feb the development of Harmattan sped up a lot. I don't know exactly why. Perhaps because some employees not satisfied with Harmattan quit their jobs (less bureaucracy) and those who believe in Harmattan are working even harder. In January the device was mostly unusable. Now the UI and most apps are running with 120 FPS.
It may be we need to expand our area of search a bit to find the true source of delay.
Two reasons:
1. Harmattan wasn't ready for (consumer-) market
2. The sliding machanism (of the device which was planned to come to market in November) wasn't durable enough (in Nokia terms; have you seen their testing process?)
The second point led to the decision to not sell the device to consumers, because Nokia probably would get a lot of complaints.
lol, I think I saw him this morning with the device in his hand ... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2N7ddjJOkNI/TcB95aj_syI/AAAAAAAAARc/OCZa4nfLSeQ/s1600/nose.jpg ^^
come on zehjo, it's just a device ...
nice one. laughed a lot. :D
zeh is not paid by nokia or something like that. the thing is that he knows people from nokia or other companys and is providing us the information he is getting
thanks for clarifying. ;)
@zehjotkah
Would you like to comment on this one:
http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/05/30/japan-recreates-the-sensation-of-buttons-on-a-touchscreen-phone/
That IS REALLY COOL! if it works like advertised.
I wonder if some of the "leakers" were talking about this when they said:
you wouldn't want the developer device when you see the commercial one.
@zehjotkah
Would you like to comment on this one:
http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/05/30/japan-recreates-the-sensation-of-buttons-on-a-touchscreen-phone/
That IS REALLY COOL! if it works like advertised.
I wonder if some of the "leakers" were talking about this when they said:
Except for the fact, I will be able to choose from different manufacturers. :D
Good point. I wonder how long will the chinese take to clone this :)
Good point. I wonder how long will the chinese take to clone this :)
Yes that is true. It seems that Nokia's desire to keep the technology under the hood is unnecessary now. There are two options now:
Case 1: 2 devices, one without haptics, other with haptics
Case 2: 1 device with haptics
Personally I think we will see Case 1 in action.
While the Japanese device in the video is most certainly technology demonstrator, it is a matter of time before others deliver their devices. So it is about time for them(nokia) to shed more light to us and to start marketing campaign.
Since I've decided not to be an early adopter (sheep), I've decided to wait for one year no matter what Nokia shows us.
Besides the haptics have to prove the durability (another 770 and 810 experience)
If I remember it right the list of of Harmattan packages had the "touch sense" package. It should be for haptic feedback.
The thing is: haptics can be done in many ways. Even N900 can emulate some haptics (CSSU has this feature) in a limited way.
However, Nokia has patented a couple of different kinds of methods to create haptic feedback. One sophisticated method is to create haptics on the screen surface by lifting certain small parts of the screen (there is a Nokia patent on that, don't know if there is an actual prototype available).
However, Nokia has patented a couple of different kinds of methods to create haptic feedback. One sophisticated method is to create haptics on the screen surface by lifting certain small parts of the screen (there is a Nokia patent on that, don't know if there is an actual prototype available).
Like i linked couple of pages ago Nokia demoed their "haptikos" on 700 and N800 in 2007 and back then people where expecting it to be inside the iphone fighter(that came to be 5800.... :D).
You got liquids inside the phone that raise the screen 0.1mm to form tactile buttons. People that tried it where surprisingly positive back in 2007 already, but i can't see how it works on capacitive screen.
Btw where did people even get idea to all this again? :) I just hope some of you who haven't followed these rumor streams on Nokia for past years do understand how you are setting up for a major disappointment if you take all this screen resolution, haptikos, U8500 talk too seriously here.
If you need more rumors, Viipottaja from MR is saying that the patented thing is about materials used on the phone. Try to start guessing that then? :rolleyes:
Like i linked couple of pages ago Nokia demoed their "haptikos" on 700 and N800 in 2007 and back then people where expecting it to be inside the iphone fighter(that came to be 5800.... :D).
You got liquids inside the phone that raise the screen 0.1mm to form tactile buttons. People that tried it where surprisingly positive back in 2007 already, but i can't see how it works on capacitive screen.
Missed the links but this is not the same thing I was thinking of. However, some kind of haptics can be taken for granted because of the "sense" packages are there probably for a reason.
Small thing, anyway.
Missed the links but this is not the same thing I was thinking of. However, some kind of haptics can be taken for granted because of the "sense" packages are there probably for a reason.
Small thing, anyway.
Did you mean this package:
TouchSense library ii libinotifytools0 3.13-3maemo3+0m6
:D:D:D:D
zehjotkah
2011-05-30, 11:50
maybe you should google TouchSense...
Did you mean this package:
TouchSense library ii libinotifytools0 3.13-3maemo3+0m6
:D:D:D:D
Might be. I actually was referring to one another user in a Finnish forum who said that the TouchSense is for haptic feedback.
zehjotkah
2011-05-30, 11:54
Might be. I actually was referring to one another user in a Finnish forum who said that the TouchSense is for haptic feedback.
exactly. not necessary a new technology.
Did you mean this package:
TouchSense library ii libinotifytools0 3.13-3maemo3+0m6
:D:D:D:D
Is this "code" broken in two lines? It looks like dpkg -l output
Can we have the complete line please?
exactly. not necessary a new technology.
when n900 first came out there was something about TouchSense coming to maemo6 back then so it sounds quite likley
zehjotkah
2011-05-30, 11:58
when n900 first came out there was something about TouchSense coming to maemo6 back then so it sounds quite likley
I meant that the existence of a package named TouchSense in Harmattan just proves that there is tactile feedback. It does not proof any particular new technology, yet.
btw: http://www.maemo-freak.com/index.php/tech/1260-immersion-makes-touchsense-available-to-maemo-developers-
is this feature gonna be available on developer device and also any word from nokia abt which developer programs gonna recieve this device?
@zehjotkah
back in the first pages of this thread u posted 2 pictures from the teaser vid and asked if anyone could spot the difference, did you ever give the answer?
zehjotkah
2011-05-30, 12:53
@zehjotkah
back in the first pages of this thread u posted 2 pictures from the teaser vid and asked if anyone could spot the difference, did you ever give the answer?
don't know if the right answer was mentioned. I haven't read big part of this thread..
Is this "code" broken in two lines? It looks like dpkg -l output
Can we have the complete line please?
Sorry. I had typo. Right line is here:
libimmvibe0 0.9-maemo9+0m6 Immersion TouchSense library
:D
dtergens
2011-05-30, 13:15
wait wait, you asked a riddle, many of us have proposed something, and you haven't read our answers ?!
http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/haha_you_funny.jpg
lol :D
@zehjotkah
back in the first pages of this thread u posted 2 pictures from the teaser vid and asked if anyone could spot the difference, did you ever give the answer?
yes, a few posts later we (me or others) have found the difference... if you cant find it i can give you the link/answer. but i its very easy... maybe too easy... :D
zehjotkah
2011-05-30, 14:03
wait wait, you asked a riddle, many of us have proposed something, and you haven't read our answers ?!
lol :D
:D
sorry, because of the MeeGo Conference.
the difference is just the color. black and silver.
Electrotactile experience
The lowdown: The third of our demoes was also the most realistic, as it was being shown off on a Nokia N900. The team is working on ways to enable touchscreens to offer more realistic feedback. This goes way beyond simple haptics to deliver genuine tactile response. The team are influenced by the belief that the sensation of touch isn’t currently well understood so they’re trying to work out ways to make it more effective when interacting with technology. Part of the team’s research is looking at ways to try and replicate textures, potentially offering users new experiences when it comes to interacting with a touchscreen. Using the concept of electrovibration, which was first documented in the 1950s, the team have been working on the concept for about a year now but have already made tremendous progress. As part of the project, the team has been working with the electrical engineers at Nokia’s Research Center in Beijing who managed to miniaturise the required hardware to fit into a modified N900 (using a half-size battery).
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/09/28/beyond-morph-a-vist-to-nokia-research-centre-cambridge/
Probably too soon for that?
nwerneck
2011-05-30, 14:25
If you need more rumors, Viipottaja from MR is saying that the patented thing is about materials used on the phone. Try to start guessing that then? :rolleyes:
It's a new technique to build hand-made battery lids with Caledonian lamb leather! #oro
Janimatik
2011-05-30, 15:00
So I guess the new patented technology is this one:
Nokia files for patent for ‘Diamond’-Coated Mobile Phones:
http://www.esato.com/news/article.php/id=1424
Everything seems to fit. People who have seen the consumer device tell that it looks very good and also one source (dsmobile) revealed that the cover material can't be metal because of a certain reason.
i thought we are talking about the new (patentet) input method and not about the materials used for the oro device...
back2topic:
if nokia will bring our next device with any of the tactile feedback techniques mentioned in this threat, i would be very amazed... i hope nokia will put as many new technology in it as possible...
then, i would agree with nokia, that it will be the one to make the "future disruption" ;)
Janimatik
2011-05-30, 16:00
i thought we are talking about the new (patentet) input method and not about the materials used for the oro device...
Are we sure that the new technology that Mr. zehjotkah was talking about has something to do with the input method?
And have Nokia used this "diamond-coated" technology with the Oro device really? I have missed that.
if i’m not mistaken then someone mentioned the casing of the consumer n9 isn’t made of metal. this graphite „ionized" plastic casing looks promising.
yeah this seems more to the point
see symbian tweet disassembled n9 pics
btw seems like mister c is right
back side of device is black while front side is with cover
don't think there are gonna be two devices only one device of which eldar has said 92000 are made!!!
:mad:
yeah this seems more to the point
see symbian tweet disassembled n9 pics
btw seems like mister c is right
back side of device is black while front side is with cover
don't think there are gonna be two devices only one device of which eldar has said 92000 are made!!!
:mad:
there is 100% 2 devices Eldar does not know everything although he and his followers thinks he does.
Look at these pics man
Do these look like 2 devices 2 you
http://www.symbiantweet.com/leaked-nokia-n9-disassembly-pictures
btw why will a company like nokia who is going in a heavy financial storm of trouble bother two make 2 devices of an OS that its not even gonna support
all worldly clues seem to indicate that they are hellbent on leaving the meego OS for now
clue 1:Intel CEO called Nokia partnership a wrong move
he would not have done that unless he had some inside certain tidbit of knowledge that Nokia is only putting on a show for now
clue 2:even keynote was focussed on developing devices of tv and other stuff almost excluding tablets and cell phones(kindoff proves that all meego community company partners knew that if nokia has left support which it has meego's gonna have near to zero developer confidence which will leave intel maybe stranded in middle of nowhere .you can see them panicking now that ms has left intel and have now gone on to explore new options .they want to come in this next par-diagram ANYHOW!!!
meanwhile ms desparetly wants to enter this field with its wp7 and knows that its because of its brand name that they are failing
hence they won't take nokia completely but instead will use their brand name and sell ms phones.
so we finally come back to topic that meego is now just a plaything for nokia (something as a small side life) hence almost no nokia collaboration with meego !!!
frostbyte
2011-05-30, 17:54
@bhairav, really? last 3000+ posts discussing dev device vs consumer device wasn't enough?
lol that is just one device there but there is a 2nd device for consumers without KB, what as been kept away from public eyes very good unlike qwerty dev device.
The devices were in development before MeeGo existed and even before any partnership with Intel.
There would of been many devices being worked up until and some even after the WP strategy.
Just b/c an announcement was made recently it does not mean an instant halt to everything they was already working on.
BTW the devices are not MeeGo they are Maemo 6/Harmattan a project that was already in motion before N900 even came out, although it might get branded as MeeGo now.
frostbyte
2011-05-30, 18:11
Look at these pics man
Do these look like 2 devices 2 you
http://www.symbiantweet.com/leaked-nokia-n9-disassembly-pictures
pic caption "If you enlarge some of the N9 disassembly images you can clearly see – “Prototype Build B2″ and “Not For Sail – Property of Nokia” labeling."
at first I wasn't quite sure, but after picking up on the more subtle cues of not having a sailplan, or the obvious hydrodynamic handicap of a non-watertight construction, I was convinced: this mobile device, in fact, is not for sail.
Verythrax
2011-05-30, 18:20
most of the gadgets aren't for sail :p
mikecomputing
2011-05-30, 18:59
Look at these pics man
Do these look like 2 devices 2 you
http://www.symbiantweet.com/leaked-nokia-n9-disassembly-pictures
btw why will a company like nokia who is going in a heavy financial storm of trouble bother two make 2 devices of an OS that its not even gonna support
all worldly clues seem to indicate that they are hellbent on leaving the meego OS for now
clue 1:Intel CEO called Nokia partnership a wrong move
he would not have done that unless he had some inside certain tidbit of knowledge that Nokia is only putting on a show for now
clue 2:even keynote was focussed on developing devices of tv and other stuff almost excluding tablets and cell phones(kindoff proves that all meego community company partners knew that if nokia has left support which it has meego's gonna have near to zero developer confidence which will leave intel maybe stranded in middle of nowhere .you can see them panicking now that ms has left intel and have now gone on to explore new options .they want to come in this next par-diagram ANYHOW!!!
meanwhile ms desparetly wants to enter this field with its wp7 and knows that its because of its brand name that they are failing
hence they won't take nokia completely but instead will use their brand name and sell ms phones.
so we finally come back to topic that meego is now just a plaything for nokia (something as a small side life) hence almost no nokia collaboration with meego !!!
Even if you have some valid point you forget the facts that Intel is desperatelly seeking for manufactors that will use theyr SoC on Mobileplatform instead of the ARM.
So for them Meego itself is not that important for Intel at it looks. It was more important to get Nokia release some Intel based handsets in the furure. They dont give a **** what platform OS it will use at the end. For example AppUpp also will support Android.
But atm. there is no plan for others to use any Intel HW on handset AFAIK. Maybe some proto from LG? But what more?
Most will use ARM even Microsoft. IMHO Intel is still WAY OFF on handset market. They still has big problems in this area.
And after reading meego-dev about some who got problem with a FAN on ExoPC I till wonder why the **** Intel still needs BIG fans too get the damn CPU working! Thats BIGFAIL Imho.
So I guess its more like Intel was angry cause now Nokia will not release any Intel based HW atleast not now. Not mainly because of Meego. Just my opinion...
pencil in the 21st of June.
Nokia Connection 2011 Conference
Stephen Elop
CEO
Mr. Stephen Elop will provide an overview of Nokia’s new strategy, including an update on the company’s partnership with Microsoft, and the resulting new ecosystem and the importance of the South East Asia Pacific market in the new strategy. He will set the stage for a number of exciting Nokia product and service launches.
Mary McDowell
Executive Vice President
Mobile Phones
Mary will cover Nokia’s strategy around Mobile Phones, including the global launch of brand new mobile devices and related services.
Unveiling the Next Chapter
http://www.nokiaconnection.net/event.php
This is immediately before the Privacy on Pictures and manuals at FCC runs out, so is most likely time we will see THE announcement of Harmattan.
mikecomputing
2011-05-30, 19:10
pencil in the 21st of June.
Nokia Connection 2011 Conference
Stephen Elop
CEO
Mr. Stephen Elop will provide an overview of Nokia’s new strategy, including an update on the company’s partnership with Microsoft, and the resulting new ecosystem and the importance of the South East Asia Pacific market in the new strategy. He will set the stage for a number of exciting Nokia product and service launches.
Mary McDowell
Executive Vice President
Mobile Phones
Mary will cover Nokia’s strategy around Mobile Phones, including the global launch of brand new mobile devices and related services.
Unveiling the Next Chapter
http://www.nokiaconnection.net/event.php
Crap now we have too wait three weeks and get mad AGAIN when we all realize, there will not be any meego/maemo announcement.
Now lets see how many posts we get before 21 June...
How about 5000 :-D
"Mary will cover Nokia’s strategy around Mobile Phones, including the global launch of brand new mobile devices and related services."
Does this mean that she will talk about the strategy or actually real phones? read it 1000 times and still dont know :(
Verythrax
2011-05-30, 19:13
"Mary will cover Nokia’s strategy around Mobile Phones, including the global launch of brand new mobile devices and related services."
Does this mean that she will talk about the strategy or actually real phones? read it 1000 times and still dont know :(
I would bet on new phones - but it could be restrict to phones related to the strategy being discussed in the event only - WP7 :(
Mary: "and this is how we will roll out our strategy on focus on Windows Phone handsets. And oh, we'll have a MeeGo phone this year." :confused:
"Mary will cover Nokia’s strategy around Mobile Phones, including the global launch of brand new mobile devices and related services."
Does this mean that she will talk about the strategy or actually real phones? read it 1000 times and still dont know :(
Global Launch only as one meaning in my book that's that they will launch it there and then
I would bet on new phones - but it could be restrict to phones related to the strategy being discussed in the event only - WP7 :(
Mary: "and this is how we will roll out our strategy on focus on Windows Phone handsets. And oh, we'll have a MeeGo phone this year." :confused:
Global launch of new phones does not mean discussion only, we already know Windows phones are not coming till fall so it as to be symbian or Harmattan or s40.
add the statement that conversations made about showing more in coming weeks "Jessie's girl" and Qt survey where winner gets a unannounced Qt dev device that is not symbian or n900, then I think its a safe bet to say June is HARMATTAN time. :):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
Honestly Nokia would never make this such a big deal if it was Harmattan.
Think about it every keynote speaker mentions Microsoft or Windows Phone, and the new strategy. MeeGo, Maemo isn't mentioned anywhere in the page, neither is Symbian.
I doubt there will be anything about MeeGo. We will probably see those device(s) announced before this.
I'm going to send off few emails see what i can find out about the event.
How did the FCC expire date go for RM-680?
Would it be still alive when the even kicks on, June 21?
How did the FCC expire date go for RM-680?
Would it be still alive when the even kicks on, June 21?
Think it will have about 4 days remaining on 21st June so seems a good time.
We know for certain we will see Harmattan within next 3 weeks just guessing where and when now lol.
Think it will have about 4 days remaining on 21st June so seems a good time.
We know for certain we will see Harmattan within next 3 weeks just guessing where and when now lol.
Hmm that does sound quite perfect to show of that device(hopefully two devices).
Events agenda just seems to be totally against it reading that event page.
nwerneck
2011-05-30, 20:44
Global launch of new phones does not mean discussion only, we already know Windows phones are not coming till fall so it as to be symbian or Harmattan or s40.
add the statement that conversations made about showing more in coming weeks "Jessie's girl" and Qt survey where winner gets a unannounced Qt dev device that is not symbian or n900, then I think its a safe bet to say June is HARMATTAN time. :):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
I think they will announce X0, x-1 and x-2!... :)
I guess they might announce the Harmattan device for immediate availability (maybe just for developers first), and show off a WP7 prototype working... They were so quick to show that render of how the first WP7 device would look like, why not another long-term tease?
I am curious about the services, though, what could it be?
And what about the June 1st announcement? If it's not the N9(50), what can it be? A contest to win an Oro?... :P
tswindell
2011-05-30, 21:21
Did anyone know the "Nokia N900 MeeGo Developer Edition" is soon to change it's name?
erendorn
2011-05-30, 21:38
and the new name? :)
tswindell
2011-05-30, 21:45
and the new name? :)
A few have been thrown around, you got any ideas? The key here is community oriented non-device specific.
Nokia N900 MeeGo WWYBRFCS-Edition
-> Nokia N900 MeeGo When Will You Be Released For Christ Sake-Edition
dtergens
2011-05-30, 22:16
Public Release 1.4 Meego N900 Edition ? ^^
The Arsonist
2011-05-30, 22:34
Am I the only member of this forum that actually read the post from Engadget about Nokia's purported R&D focus from now until 2016?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/elop-symbian-will-continue-getting-updates-until-2016-at-least/
At the moment, they're at least going to have their hands in Meego until 2016. If you take a look at the graph, Meego doesn't have the biggest share of the focus(obviously), but it is still there. Mind you, that's 5 years from now and who knows what can happen between now and then?
Why does everyone appear to be such downers about the situation? I understand tech nerds often have a highly vested interested in the companies they back and support, but at least give the whole situation time to pan out. Nokia adopting Windows Phone 7 means absolutely nothing if Windows Phone 7 sales keep crawling along as they have. Obviously, Nokia's intentions are to change that, but I have to say this: Windows Phone 7's slow adoption(as far as sales go), has little to nothing to do with the hardware that's supported it and EVERYTHING to do with OS itself.
People don't dislike WP7 phones because they suck or they're slow. MS prevented that from happening with the extremely high minimum requirements. The problem is the OS isn't sweeping people off it's feet because people are still trying to wrap their minds around how smartphones can/will play a role in their everyday lives. Why would someone pick a WP7 phone over an iPhone? The OS doesn't have a whole lot things helping, but the hardware could be the one place that anyone could easily say would fix it. Settling for a so-so OS to get better hardware probably isn't worth it in many people's eyes so they go with iPhone and Android stuff because of the market share, advertising, and tech hype around it. This whole ordeal is bigger than just this phone, so take it in smaller pieces to digest it easier.
Questions for Nokia:
Will this phone actually come out? When will it come out? What OS and specs will it have(forget the rumors, nothing is concrete, even Nokia doesn't seem sure)?
Questions to ask yourself, the consumer:
Does this phone have what I want? Are their any major flaws that will prevent this device from working the way I'd like it to? How good will the device be when I receive it?
People seem so caught up in these companies long term goals(I was an early Android adopter and, no joke, Android users and the vocal part of the community are/ were just as confused about many of the steps/missteps that Android has taken, yet they're maintaining at the moment. Do you plan on keeping your phone for 5 years and expect updates throughout that entire period? I highly doubt it, so enjoy the device for what it is when you purchase it. Let some things take place before flipping about rumors...
tswindell
2011-05-30, 22:39
Questions for Nokia:
Will this phone actually come out? When will it come out? What OS and specs will it have(forget the rumors, nothing is concrete, even Nokia doesn't seem sure)?
Questions to ask yourself, the consumer:
Does this phone have what I want? Are their any major flaws that will prevent this device from working the way I'd like it to? How good will the device be when I receive it?
The phone is coming, I was insinuating that when I said "non-device specific" in my previous post about the N900 DE name change.
I would love to come back to Nokia(cause they don't skimp on hardware) and be a meego user cause I still love my N900. And leave android and htc behind in the dust. But seriously without a HW keyboard it would be a no go. I'm just one of them users that has to have a HW keyboard for me to buy it. So fingers crossed that the N9 comes with a HW keyboard. Or I'm stuck with android and htc til they do :(
was just reading IRC logs they was speculating that the patented tech not seen on any other devices on the market could be this, there was a few special n900's proto's using it at NRC
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19510-nokia-touchscreen-creates-texture-illusion.html
it would probably mean it being resistive screen though unless they found way to do this on capacitive screen which is highly unlikely
Due to the huge size of the thread, I can't find it now, but IIRC, a user suggested that looking at the shots from the video, the UI seemed to react before the screen is touched, and K123 seemed to nod at this observation. I'm watching again the video, but I can't see it.
Is someone able to find that message?
EDIT: Forget it, I found the page:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72977&page=208
But now that I read it again, I don't know if that could be the "new" special thing. I was thinking in some special sensors in the borders of the screen, for swiping more and better.
jerryfreak
2011-05-30, 23:42
Why does everyone appear to be such downers about the situation?
fool me once...
nwerneck
2011-05-31, 00:56
Am I the only member of this forum that actually read the post from Engadget about Nokia's purported R&D focus from now until 2016?
Hopefully. Engadget suxxx big time! :p
At the moment, they're at least going to have their hands in Meego until 2016.
If you take a look at the graph, Meego doesn't have the biggest share of the focus(obviously), but it is still there. Mind you, that's 5 years from now and who knows what can happen between now and then?
This graph is from earlier this year, from the Elopocalypse... And the 2016 refers to Symbian only. The graph itself is about Symbian also, the reduction of the MeeGo share seems fair with the overall reduction. Elop never threatened MeeGo, Nokia has always maintained it as a long-term strategical move, for "future disruptions". It only lost the promise to be the next big kahuna in the portfolio.
Why does everyone appear to be such downers about the situation?
Who's a downer, what situation? People are just anticipating disappointment about specs, and anxious while waiting... But I'm sure most will end up liking it when they have Jessie's girl in their ARMs late, late at night .:)
Nokia adopting Windows Phone 7 means absolutely nothing if Windows Phone 7 sales keep crawling along as they have.
...
The OS doesn't have a whole lot things helping, but the hardware could be the one place that anyone could easily say would fix it. Settling for a so-so OS to get better hardware probably isn't worth it
I think the whole idea for WP7 is that Nokia will release great phones, with a new OS version that will be very attractive and cool. So it's not like any other company deciding to release some crappy phone with WP7, it's a real "synergy"... That's the idea at least.
Questions for Nokia:
Will this phone actually come out? When will it come out? What OS and specs will it have(forget the rumors, nothing is concrete, even Nokia doesn't seem sure)?
Many hints point to an announcement of the "N900 successor" in June. Maybe the day after tomorrow, maybe later (during or after the Nokia event in Singapore.) A Nokia device ("RM-680") was accepted by the FCC, and everyone is pretty much sure this is it. Very unlikely it's either Symbian WP7 or S40, etc.
http://www.wirelessgoodness.com/2011/05/11/nokias-n9-meego-smartphone-hits-the-fcc/
Questions to ask yourself, the consumer:
Does this phone have what I want? Are their any major flaws that will prevent this device from working the way I'd like it to? How good will the device be when I receive it?
If it runs Linux, and can be "rooted" easily like all previous NITs, that's what I want. I only hope it doesn't have problems like N900's USB connector, etc. I'll wait a few weeks after release until we are sure about these possible flaws, and also waiting until the price gets below $500!... :)
If it runs Linux, and can be "rooted" easily like all previous NITs, that's what I want. It will, at least it will be "easy" for the advanced users of this community who will want to do so.
http://maemo.org/community/council/council_update-may_2011/
But the price/specifics are not known and Nokia is hoping that it might be able to also sell a version of the phone that is commercially subsidized, etc., supported and we know that means. So the general outlook for a successful product is unclear.
It will, at least it will be "easy" for the advanced users of this community who will want to do so.
http://maemo.org/community/council/council_update-may_2011/
But the price/specifics are not known and Nokia is hoping that it might be able to also sell a version of the phone that is commercially subsidized, etc., supported and we know that means. So the general outlook for a successful product is unclear.
if it is really the case that the devices are not meego certified than
LOL
looks like intel is not gonna let nokia go without a fight !!!
;)
Did anyone know the "Nokia N900 MeeGo Developer Edition" is soon to change it's name?
MeeGo Tribe, Developer Edition.
MeeGo Respublica, Developer Edition
MeeGo Swarm, Developer Edition
MeeGo Pod, Developer Edition
MeeGo Charm, Developer Edition
MeeGo abill_uk, Engineer edition.
Do i win a cookie?
It will, at least it will be "easy" for the advanced users of this community who will want to do so.
It's almost funny how that's now acceptable to not have root out of the box, yet it wasn't just a while back when it was on Android or other mobile OS's.
It doesn't come with root, that's a few steps backwards.
Can anyone please point me to the latest summary of 100% known FACTS?
I haven't been following this thread in real-time, & don't have time to catch-up from where I left it about 6-days ago.
Thank-you very much if you're across all the latest detail, and can help out.
No Maemo device ever had root access enabled out of the box, we always had to enable R&D mode or install a third-party package first.
New name for "MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for Nokia N900"? Howabout "MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for Nokia N900 Because Nobody Else Is Making MeeGo Phones I Mean Seriously Can Somebody Get On That Already?" ;)
But more seriously, if it's to be device agnostic, something like "MeeGo 1.2 Community Handset Edition" might be the most appropriate.
Can anyone please point me to the latest summary of 100% known FACTS?
That's easy.
There aren't any.
pic caption "If you enlarge some of the N9 disassembly images you can clearly see – “Prototype Build B2″ and “Not For Sail – Property of Nokia” labeling."
at first I wasn't quite sure, but after picking up on the more subtle cues of not having a sailplan, or the obvious hydrodynamic handicap of a non-watertight construction, I was convinced: this mobile device, in fact, is not for sail.
If you look within service manuals for n810 you will also notice "Not for sale - property of nokia"
Crap now we have too wait three weeks and get mad AGAIN when we all realize, there will not be any meego/maemo announcement.
Now lets see how many posts we get before 21 June...
How about 5000 :-D
I am bidding for 10000
Can anyone please point me to the latest summary of 100% known FACTS?
I haven't been following this thread in real-time, & don't have time to catch-up from where I left it about 6-days ago.
Thank-you very much if you're across all the latest detail, and can help out.
There was an FCC filing, with a hold on pictures for 45 days from the filing date, which makes the release date for the pictures around the 25th of June.
The device which was filed for has a keyboard according to the test reports.
That's about it afaict.
http://maemo.org/community/council/council_update-may_2011/
it seems the reason for the delay of the N9/n950 is that it isn’t decided/clarified yet whether or not the device(s) will be „branded“ MeeGo.
Can anyone please point me to the latest summary of 100% known FACTS?
I haven't been following this thread in real-time, & don't have time to catch-up from where I left it about 6-days ago.
Well, here's my summary of it so far from following this thread since the beginning till now:
http://shootspeak.com/2011/05/21/rumour-mill-nokia-n9-meego-phone/
I try to update as we go along. :D
(I didn't mention FCC of RM-680. Maybe I'll add it later. =P)
nokia will have event on june 21 in singapore, which is few days before june 24 - confidentiality date stated in fcc site.
http://www.nokiaconnection.net/event.php
Well make sense for intel not to go on war with nokia about the meego branding as they are seeking somebody to bring their cpus to the mobile arena asap so better still have good relationships with still the biggest mobile handset manufacturer.
As well as for Nokia not to lose chipzilla as partner just in case they really start to be competitive against their ARM counterparts at some point soon in the future.
I was wondering, any ideas who the blond girl from the teaser is? :D
Raubtier
2011-05-31, 10:09
i hate all this talk about how we wont miss the hw keyboard, its a fact that a virtual keyboard takes up space when u are typing on the screen which is really annoying on some sites
Can anyone please point me to the latest summary of 100% known FACTS?
I haven't been following this thread in real-time, & don't have time to catch-up from where I left it about 6-days ago.
Thank-you very much if you're across all the latest detail, and can help out.
hi!
as mentioned before no one has 100perc true facts, because nokia said nothing about it. the spec sheets from this forum/thread are only rumors we are discussing here.
but here you have my spec sheet, its some kind of summary from this thread plus my hopes ;)
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1016393&postcount=2942
Nokia's marketing dep. probably does not like the meego branding at all. I can emphasize. It won't sell a consumer product.
I was wondering, any ideas who the blond girl from the teaser is? :D
Ana Sofrenović? :p
Nokia's marketing dep. probably does not like the meego branding at all. I can emphasize. It won't sell a consumer product.
as i understood, nokia planned to show the dev device at the conference but meego.com didnt wanted to show something at the conference that is not a real meego product (correct me if i am wrong).
And thats what i dont understand because it would be a great benefit for meego if they could show something (anything) for meego..
source: http://maemo.org/community/council/council_update-may_2011/
"It was apparent that Nokia had wanted the device to be certified as MeeGo compliant in time for the conference but that discussions on this topic had not been resolved."
kanishou
2011-05-31, 11:32
It is also pretty irrelevant though, and definitely not causing any delays.
Don't forget that MeeGo is basically Intel's Moblin for Netbooks merged with Nokia's Maemo for Smartphones.
Maemo is the real thing, no matter what Intel's attitude is or what it will ultimately be called.
Personally, I still can't quite imagine how the branding will work out in the end. Maemo is not MeeGo, but it is based on shared MeeGo technologies. Any attempts to unify the UXs is bound to fail in my opinion, at least without watering down what Nokia has been working on.
As a common technology base, I find the MeeGo style and branding a bit inappropriate. But I really don't know what is going on with that, just my personal views.
[...]
I think the whole idea for WP7 is that Nokia will release great phones, with a new OS version that will be very attractive and cool. So it's not like any other company deciding to release some crappy phone with WP7, it's a real "synergy"... That's the idea at least.
[...]
all in all pretty much agree w/ your post except for above statement;
i think you are not quite fair w/ the electronic industry @ large.
keep in mind that NOKIA is in the position they are / were (dominating the mobile phone market) a little bit like IBM was 30 yrs ago in the PC market. of course, they had outstanding products (both HW & SW wise).otherwise they wouldn't have gotten and stayed in the dominant position.
specifically, a few yrs ago i got a SAMSUNG 780i from the company i was working @. the HW was outstanding but the sw... well, it was m$, right?
other companies can and will continue to provide HW that runs the m$ software;
especially if the Intel CPUs (under what form ever) become available & it becomes WIntel all over again.
in which case it might be possible to install MeeGo (or any port thereof) just like it is possible to install Linux / GNU on practically any PC which comes w/ LostDOS preinstalled...
which brings us back to the next Maemo / MeeGo device ¦-)
that this is all NOKIA was hopping for when they decided to bind Maemo's fate to Moblin would make sense, provided that wp7 got off the ground (which, a year & 1/2 ago seemed possible).
as this last thing did not come true (yet), it was either waiting for a miracle to happen or step in.
it may still require a small miracle for wp to become the dominant OS in the mobile phone market, but the odds have improved, haven't they? ;)
So you post a link to an article with no useful content, ask a question that you should know what answers you'll get from people here (maybe it was rhetorical), and there was an actual point? Yeah, I guess I missed it. :D
mind telling us what the point of your post is?
maverick788us
2011-05-31, 12:41
all in all pretty much agree w/ your post except for above statement;
i think you are not quite fair w/ the electronic industry @ large.
keep in mind that NOKIA is in the position they are / were (dominating the mobile phone market) a little bit like IBM was 30 yrs ago in the PC market. of course, they had outstanding products (both HW & SW wise).otherwise they wouldn't have gotten and stayed in the dominant position.
specifically, a few yrs ago i got a SAMSUNG 780i from the company i was working @. the HW was outstanding but the sw... well, it was m$, right?
other companies can and will continue to provide HW that runs the m$ software;
especially if the Intel CPUs (under what form ever) become available & it becomes WIntel all over again.
in which case it might be possible to install MeeGo (or any port thereof) just like it is possible to install Linux / GNU on practically any PC which comes w/ LostDOS preinstalled...
which brings us back to the next Maemo / MeeGo device ¦-)
that this is all NOKIA was hopping for when they decided to bind Maemo's fate to Moblin would make sense, provided that wp7 got off the ground (which, a year & 1/2 ago seemed possible).
as this last thing did not come true (yet), it was either waiting for a miracle to happen or step in.
We can install LINUX or Windows OS as a in Windows as Virtual PC, similarly there should be the option of installing Meego in WP 7 using Virtual PC
@misterc i hope it comes true any i hope any way and i hope meego is a big hit because that could really help linux become a mainstream os choice instead for an os for a few people who like to live on the edge
Nokia just announced an earnings warning and the stock tanked a lot. So they better get this device out the door asap before going down. And as harmattan is clearly not Meego compliant it can never be said to be either, end of story. Harmattan is based on Maemo and should not be called MeeGo whatsoever.
In my opinion, branding Nokia maemo phone as Meego-phone would very benefit whole MeeGo. Otherwise, there will be no MeeGo phone at all till probably summer of next year.
And if kbd-less N9 is so good as people say, it would be very good for MeeGo itself to have such a product under meego name.
Your device MUST be MeeGo compliant to be allowed to be branded as such and as Harmattan CLEARLY is not they have recieved a negative answer on their request.
EvilSpeaks
2011-05-31, 12:51
As said Nokia just revised there forcast numbers for 2011 but also stated that the first windows phone should be Q4, thus this event in June can't be for a windows phone can it??? surely step 6 of 6 will be shown!!! :D
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/31/nokia-lowers-devices-and-services-outlook-for-q2-increasingly/
sjgadsby
2011-05-31, 12:54
Your device MUST be MeeGo compliant to be allowed to be branded as such and as Harmattan CLEARLY is not they have recieved a negative answer on their request.
The MeeGo TSG made their decision? I missed that. Where was it announced?
The MeeGo TSG made their decision? I missed that. Where was it announced?
As the rumour says that the matter is not resolved make your own conclusions.
It was apparent that Nokia had wanted the device to be certified as MeeGo compliant in time for the conference but that discussions on this topic had not been resolved.
IMHO this means a negative answer, as it should be.
Edit: And the TSG should make this clear for everybody. IE Asus just announced a MeeGo branded netbook and I hope that it is MeeGo compliant and so forth.
Edit2: And it's REALLY irritating that Nokia are asking the TSG to make an exception for Harmattan. They should dump Maemo and move over to MeeGo asap instead of spending time whining.
Verythrax
2011-05-31, 13:11
I believe Nokia is doing some polishing to make the build compatible enough to be called MeeGo.
That could be the reason why they are holding it so long, and missed the timeframe of the conference.
sjgadsby
2011-05-31, 13:17
As the rumour says that the matter is not resolved make your own conclusions.
IMHO this means a negative answer, as it should be.
Ah, you're taking the lack of decision by the TSG as "no". That's different from:
...they have recieved a negative answer on their request.
EDIT:
I believe Nokia is doing some polishing to make the build compatible enough to be called MeeGo.
That could be the reason why they are holding it so long, and missed the timeframe of the conference.
Nokia employees have directly stated they were ready to, and wanted to, distribute Harmattan devices at the San Francisco conference. They were only stopped by the lack of an answer from the TSG as to whether or not Harmattan would be accepted as "MeeGo".
erendorn
2011-05-31, 13:17
Harmattan is based on Maemo and should not be called MeeGo whatsoever.
I have read on various occasions than Harmattan is much closer to MeeGo than to Fremantle...
Also, the owner of a brand actualy decides (rather than undergoes) what "MUST" be done to be allowed to use it.
Nothing prevents the Linux Fondation to change the actual requirements for MeeGo branding. Which is what was advised in the opinions above.. (of course, under the current requirements bla bla not possible bla bla ... )
Ah, you're taking the lack of decision by the TSG as "no".
Yes I do. And who says that the TSG haven't given Nokia an answer? Maybe someone should ask the TSG what is going on? What is there to discuss? It's been clear for years that Harmattan is based on Maemo so why would this simple matter not have been resolved a long time ago? Why are qgil still whining about it? It seems to be Nokia that think that the matter is not resolved yet but the TSG might have already given them a straight NO a long time ago? And Nokia just keep on whining about it.
It seems that discussions over the device's compliance are delaying the launch that would bring answers to many questions surrounding the device.
Again what is there to discuss? I don't get it. Harmattan is not MeeGo compliant so it must be a very easy call to make.
MIGHT be getting some info in the next couple of days as a mate of mine works for carphonewarehouse and has a Nokia rep coming in he has already said he is going to ask the rep about the N9/N950 IF i hear anything or he gets any information then i will gladly pass it on
zehjotkah
2011-05-31, 13:31
show me one example of whining on behalf of Quim or Nokia and a source to "might have already given them a straight NO"
show me one example of whining on behalf of Quim or Nokia and a source to "might have already given them a straight NO"
It's all over the place. Why don't you ask the TSG instead of what's going on?
Although the formal presentation proposal was not selected, Quim Gil of Nokia still graciously confirmed the device and discussed it and related issues with a handful of maemo.org community members. It was apparent that Nokia had wanted the device to be certified as MeeGo compliant in time for the conference but that discussions on this topic had not been resolved.It became increasingly obvious during the conference that no other MeeGo cellphone was ready to be launched and Quim persuasively argued that certifying the Harmattan device as MeeGo compliant would be largely beneficial to the MeeGo project.
Also read the Nokia community thread on meego.com. lots of info about Harmattan in that one.
tswindell
2011-05-31, 13:45
MeeGo Compatible maybe a better goal than MeeGo Compliant. Regardless, Nokia didn't have 1200 devices for all attendees and didn't want to selectively give them out, from what I heard. The TSG decision or more precisely, Imad Sousou AKA Intel's decision doesn't really matter IMO, and in the end I see it going in Harmattans' favour.
Nokia just announced an earnings warning and the stock tanked a lot. So they better get this device out the door asap before going down. And as harmattan is clearly not Meego compliant it can never be said to be either, end of story. Harmattan is based on Maemo and should not be called MeeGo whatsoever.
It seems huge number of stocks were sold today between 9 and 10 o'clock, and the value has dropped from ~8.20 to ~ 7.14
Do you think this was result of the announcement?
zehjotkah
2011-05-31, 13:58
It's all over the place. Why don't you ask the TSG instead of what's going on?
you're the one coming up with assumptions without any base. So I'm not in charge of doing your work.
I met Quim at the MeeGo Conference and there was not a single little bit of whining.
In fact he goes conform with the decision to not present Harmattan at the Conference.
It seems huge number of stocks were sold today between 9 and 10 o'clock, and the value has dropped from ~8.20 to ~ 7.14
Do you think this was result of the announcement?
You mean if the earnings warning was the reason for Nokia's stock going down? Of course it was.
And it wont get any better at least till Q3, but that's a story for another topic. :)
all in all pretty much agree w/ your post except for above statement;
i think you are not quite fair w/ the electronic industry @ large.
keep in mind that NOKIA is in the position they are / were (dominating the mobile phone market) a little bit like IBM was 30 yrs ago in the PC market. of course, they had outstanding products (both HW & SW wise).otherwise they wouldn't have gotten and stayed in the dominant position.
specifically, a few yrs ago i got a SAMSUNG 780i from the company i was working @. the HW was outstanding but the sw... well, it was m$, right?
other companies can and will continue to provide HW that runs the m$ software;
especially if the Intel CPUs (under what form ever) become available & it becomes WIntel all over again.
in which case it might be possible to install MeeGo (or any port thereof) just like it is possible to install Linux / GNU on practically any PC which comes w/ LostDOS preinstalled...
which brings us back to the next Maemo / MeeGo device ¦-)
that this is all NOKIA was hopping for when they decided to bind Maemo's fate to Moblin would make sense, provided that wp7 got off the ground (which, a year & 1/2 ago seemed possible).
as this last thing did not come true (yet), it was either waiting for a miracle to happen or step in.
it may still require a small miracle for wp to become the dominant OS in the mobile phone market, but the odds have improved, haven't they? ;)
DOUBT IT :-)
if Windows Phone 7 phones sell under nokia brand name even then it won't get the attention it should have !!!
No the problem is with the Windows brand itself (A blessing as well as a curse)
MS may have released a good os but naming it windows still always reminds the end consumer where its coming from nomatter how many shells the product goes through !!!
(Hint :-If a person is eating their favorite food and something nasty takes place will the person ever eat that dish the next time it is made ???! :(:( )
People have come though ages of viruses,lost dll's,incompatible version of s/w and h/w,Recently even Security prompts programing issues of User account control of vista and 7 as well as bad programming practises by ms end which resulted in dll hell in vb6 era.
to the end consumer the product will always be then at
"Windows phone is good but i'll spend a little more or less!! and get an apple or android(Assuming fragmentation will be solved) which won't give me those issues"
it'll take years of ms(maybe months) of giving hard work and overachieving targets to get the public to forget this image and establish one as clean as Google has .
sjgadsby
2011-05-31, 14:03
...Quim persuasively argued that certifying the Harmattan device as MeeGo compliant would be largely beneficial to the MeeGo project.
Yes, Quim spoke with the maemo.org Community Council for a few minutes during lunch one day during the conference. Most of the conversation was devoted to thoughts on where Harmattan device users will go to find community.
Quim's few sentences on the Harmattan device and the open question of whether it becomes accepted as MeeGo were said with almost a shrug. He certainly didn't come across as whining or complaining.
Looks like nokia might be redeveloping hatterman for all those n9 out there to official meego 1.2 !!!
sjgadsby
2011-05-31, 14:48
Looks like nokia might be redeveloping hatterman for all those n9 out there to official meego 1.2 !!!
What makes it appear that way?
from FoumNokia on twitter
"The lucky No. 18 plan will be revealed tomorrow (1 June). Are you ready for this? Any guesses? Tell a friend. #18K"
does not smell like anything that interesting to me but thought it should be added to this drivel here nonetheless
Your device MUST be MeeGo compliant to be allowed to be branded as such and as Harmattan CLEARLY is not they have recieved a negative answer on their request.
It's odd though - it's been known SINCE THE MERGING MAEMO AND MOBLIN ANNOUNCEMENT that they were too far into the development of Harmattan to completely comply with the MeeGo goals, and that Maemo 6 would be an hybrid instance of MeeGo with several non-compliant core features, like the package system.
As far as I can tell, they must've negotiated around that problem already before the agreement was signed. How come it's been unclear if they could use the MeeGo label this late in the process? Didn't Nokia ask? Or did the powers of Mee get non-friendly over the elopocalypse?
http://maemo.org/community/council/council_update-may_2011/
it seems the reason for the delay of the N9/n950 is that it isn’t decided/clarified yet whether or not the device(s) will be „branded“ MeeGo.
Anyway, the name licence problem is not a new development, i.e. did I commented on it back in March: [same discussion, different time] (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=970376&postcount=3). If this had been a priority with Nokia, they'd get an answer to this question early. I am thinking they had their answer already back when they started talking about Maemo 6 again, at least February.
It became increasingly obvious during the conference that no other MeeGo cellphone was ready to be launched and Quim persuasively argued that certifying the Harmattan device as MeeGo compliant would be largely beneficial to the MeeGo project.
Hey, that was exactly what selfish russian said here a few pages ago.
We can install LINUX or Windows OS as a in Windows as Virtual PC, similarly there should be the option of installing Meego in WP 7 using Virtual PC
Now, who can name one reason I'd like an intel x86 compatible device? :D
Verythrax
2011-05-31, 15:27
from FoumNokia on twitter
"The lucky No. 18 plan will be revealed tomorrow (1 June). Are you ready for this? Any guesses? Tell a friend. #18K"
does not smell like anything that interesting to me but thought it should be added to this drivel here nonetheless
Plan B was Symbian, MeeGO probably plan C... what could me plan 18? :D:D:D
mikecomputing
2011-05-31, 15:27
as i understood, nokia planned to show the dev device at the conference but meego.com didnt wanted to show something at the conference that is not a real meego product (correct me if i am wrong).
And thats what i dont understand because it would be a great benefit for meego if they could show something (anything) for meego..
source: http://maemo.org/community/council/council_update-may_2011/
"It was apparent that Nokia had wanted the device to be certified as MeeGo compliant in time for the conference but that discussions on this topic had not been resolved."
I just say this:
This just proves that Elop has succed to trash the Meego community totally :mad::mad::mad::mad:
Now there is open war between Maemo/Meego and opensource Intel vs Nokia and the only winner is Microsoft again :mad: and the the open source and the engineer working on Maemo Harmattan and Meego as community fails more and more :-(
I said this on february and say it again: This is exactly what Elop and Microsoft want to happen :mad:
Instead of fight Microsoft, the Linux community fights about Maemo and Meego and what should be merged wtf :mad: :mad:
mikecomputing
2011-05-31, 15:36
It is also pretty irrelevant though, and definitely not causing any delays.
Don't forget that MeeGo is basically Intel's Moblin for Netbooks merged with Nokia's Maemo for Smartphones.
Maemo is the real thing, no matter what Intel's attitude is or what it will ultimately be called.
Personally, I still can't quite imagine how the branding will work out in the end. Maemo is not MeeGo, but it is based on shared MeeGo technologies. Any attempts to unify the UXs is bound to fail in my opinion, at least without watering down what Nokia has been working on.
As a common technology base, I find the MeeGo style and branding a bit inappropriate. But I really don't know what is going on with that, just my personal views.
Yes Meego will FAIL without Maemo IMHO. Problem is that what shall Nokia say too the consumers if theyr not even allowed to call it Meego compatible?
I mean who will buy it? Except us who loves N900. That is very risky in a already shacking Nokia boat :-(
Too mee its obvious Meego needs Maemo Harmattan! But it looks to me Intel doesnt give a **** atm. Maybe they dont care about Meego future anyway?
They have a planB Android anyway.
In a way I can uunderstand Intel but at the same time its plain stupid war going on.
Both companys are LOOSERS!
sjgadsby
2011-05-31, 15:39
what could me plan 18?
Not just 18, but 18K. All new Symbian phones will be gold plated. That way, should the looming switch to Windows Phone 7 crush the flagging Symbian ecosystem even earlier than expected, well, at least you can get a buck or two from one of those "we buy gold" outfits.
IsaacDFP
2011-05-31, 15:40
...To me its obvious Meego needs Maemo Harmattan! But it looks to me Intel doesnt give a **** atm.
How exactly does Intel have a say in that? (I'd just like to know) Cuz I thought MeeGo didn't technically "belong" to anybody
mikecomputing
2011-05-31, 15:43
Your device MUST be MeeGo compliant to be allowed to be branded as such and as Harmattan CLEARLY is not they have recieved a negative answer on their request.
We has discussed this before and now I know it is not "compliant"
But question is are the allowed to call it Meego compatible? The plan was they were until february? But now its seems theyre not even allowed to call it that hows stupid is that!?
Just looks like a childish war between Nokia and Intel IMHO. And that will hurt the community thats for sure :mad:
mikecomputing
2011-05-31, 15:51
As the rumour says that the matter is not resolved make your own conclusions.
IMHO this means a negative answer, as it should be.
Edit: And the TSG should make this clear for everybody. IE Asus just announced a MeeGo branded netbook and I hope that it is MeeGo compliant and so forth.
Edit2: And it's REALLY irritating that Nokia are asking the TSG to make an exception for Harmattan. They should dump Maemo and move over to MeeGo asap instead of spending time whining.
Wrong Meego need Harmattan on handset! Meego is only halfway to succes.
Soo far I havents seen ANY working handset for Meego. So stop this bullish about dishing Maemo!
What makes it appear that way?
this link
http://noknok.tv/2011/05/31/meego-1-2-released-will-it-be-present-on-rumoured-nokia-n9/
btw the thread has again drifted off topic so i will give away one tidbit of info i got from eldar to set things straight and this thread abuzz again .
if nokia n9 is only one meego phone that nokia is gonna release then Eldar murtazin who had seen the h/w has already replied that it is quiet old as compared to newer windows phone or android devices !!!:(
IF HOWEVER there is another meego phone having better h/w then nokia might have its recognition saved.
Yes, Quim spoke with the maemo.org Community Council for a few minutes during lunch one day during the conference. Most of the conversation was devoted to thoughts on where Harmattan device users will go to find community.
Quim's few sentences on the Harmattan device and the open question of whether it becomes accepted as MeeGo were said with almost a shrug. He certainly didn't come across as whining or complaining.
But why the heck is he still talking about it? Harmattan is clearly not MeeGo compliant (or compatible for that matter) so why go on whining about it? Enough already! The TSG should just tell Nokia to STFU and that no means no.
mikecomputing
2011-05-31, 15:54
Yes I do. And who says that the TSG haven't given Nokia an answer? Maybe someone should ask the TSG what is going on? What is there to discuss? It's been clear for years that Harmattan is based on Maemo so why would this simple matter not have been resolved a long time ago? Why are qgil still whining about it? It seems to be Nokia that think that the matter is not resolved yet but the TSG might have already given them a straight NO a long time ago? And Nokia just keep on whining about it.
Again what is there to discuss? I don't get it. Harmattan is not MeeGo compliant so it must be a very easy call to make.
Problem is Intel who has decided most of whats shall be included in Meego seems to not be intrested in ANYTHIONG comming from Maemo. So the compliance spec is just bigfail anyway.
Why the freak isnt QtMobility included as compliance spec as an example. And the evoution vs Track war that started after MrFlop decision?
To mee its abvious Intel dictates the compliancespec.
How exactly does Intel have a say in that? (I'd just like to know) Cuz I thought MeeGo didn't technically "belong" to anybody
IIRC the MeeGo TSG consists of three persons, one from LF, one from Intel and one from Nokia. The Nokia dude did however move to Intel after Elopocalypse so suddenly Nokia didn't have any vote at all.
mikecomputing
2011-05-31, 15:58
Looks like nokia might be redeveloping hatterman for all those n9 out there to official meego 1.2 !!!
LOL then the device is not out until June 2013
Problem is Intel who has decided most of whats shall be included in Meego seems to not be intrested in ANYTHIONG comming from Maemo. So the compliance spec is just bigfail anyway.
Why the freak isnt QtMobility included as compliance spec as an example. And the evoution vs Track war that started after MrFlop decision?
To mee its abvious Intel dictates the compliancespec.
If it had a Atom chipset then yes would of already been given by the required powers that be.
Intel are acting like F'ing school children anyone noticed all the little digs they keep taking at nokia in interviews and stuff? they just mad they wont be able to sell millions of Atom chips to Nokia now in 2013 since Nokia plans changed around MeeGo.
sjgadsby
2011-05-31, 16:03
this link
http://noknok.tv/2011/05/31/meego-1-2-released-will-it-be-present-on-rumoured-nokia-n9/
Sorry, your page was not found
They appear to have pulled the article.
mikecomputing
2011-05-31, 16:04
How exactly does Intel have a say in that? (I'd just like to know) Cuz I thought MeeGo didn't technically "belong" to anybody
take a look at the meego-dev mailinglist an you see what I mean. Atm its mostly Intel who makes the decisions.
I dont say every decision done by Intel is bad but to mee it seems folks are unintrested in stuff comming from N.
I maybe is wrong but...
They appear to have pulled the article.
nope its still there!!!
casper27
2011-05-31, 16:11
Lets get down to basics. The fact is Intel are still pissed at Nokia for dropping MeeGo so publically in favour of Windows mobile after they invested soo much in the OS. They have a massive say in what can be branded MeeGo and what cannot. This is in no way beneficial to the community at large and big company spats can last years. The best we can really hope for is "MeeGo compliant".
mikecomputing
2011-05-31, 16:11
But why the heck is he still talking about it? Harmattan is clearly not MeeGo compliant (or compatible for that matter) so why go on whining about it? Enough already! The TSG should just tell Nokia to STFU and that no means no.
Again its not Meego compliant because most decisions is done by Intel what will be compliant. IMHO thats not how openess should work.
Are you those who think it would be bad if Nokia infact decides to opensource Harmattan UI for Meego handset? What says it cant be Meego compliant in the future Meego versions?
Some Maemo components in Maemo would be great to have in nextgen Meego.
But it looks like youre not intrested cause QmGil is just "Whinning"?
wtf!
from FoumNokia on twitter
"The lucky No. 18 plan will be revealed tomorrow (1 June). Are you ready for this? Any guesses? Tell a friend. #18K"
does not smell like anything that interesting to me but thought it should be added to this drivel here nonetheless
:)
@forumnokia You will release the MeeGo/Harmattan phone in 2018? #18k
@mja_fin Ha ha. No, that is not it. #18K
IsaacDFP
2011-05-31, 16:22
IMHO thats not how openness should work.
Thank you! And here I was thinking I was the only one to believe that. I admit I am not really a follower of the mailing lists, but it comes as a shock to me that apparently the "fully (99.9%) open sourced" OS MeeGo is actually being manipulated and bended to the will and benefits of a few... That sounds too much like corporatocracy and should not be associated with the words "Open Source"... I'm disappointed in Intel :(
nope its still there!!!
I don't see it either, do you have a direct link?
i think nokia already has devices and developer program all ready when time comes
Although something is Open, it doesn't mean it's without leadership.
When a company decides to create something Open, they usually retain the leadership of what they want to create, but invite others to negotiate a direction. OpenOffice.org is a good example - when the leadership direction changed, a major part of the "Open" community rebelled - but they couldn't change it. So they had to fork, start over, market a new product based on the old one - LibreOffice.
If Intel pulled out of MeeGo, I am sure someone would pick up stuff and fork out a new thingie from it. Nokia, however, try to prevent a similar scenario with un-opensourcing Symbian right now. Those bastids. :B
i think nokia already has devices and developer program all ready when time comes
You'd think they'd have devices and developer programs all ready before announcing Windows Phone is the future. *shrug* There's nothing ready, ever.
mikecomputing
2011-05-31, 16:44
Thank you! And here I was thinking I was the only one to believe that. I admit I am not really a follower of the mailing lists, but it comes as a shock to me that apparently the "fully (99.9%) open sourced" OS MeeGo is actually being manipulated and bended to the will and benefits of a few... That sounds too much like corporatocracy and should not be associated with the words "Open Source"... I'm disappointed in Intel :(
well thats my opinion on this I dont say everything comming from Intel is bad. Sometimes its needed to move forward some decision was probadly needed cause of NokiaFail in february.
someone needen to make decision I really hope this will change in the future.
I dont want to be a troll here just give my feelings about hoow it looks too me.
Although something is Open, it doesn't mean it's without leadership.
When a company decides to create something Open, they usually retain the leadership of what they want to create, but invite others to negotiate a direction. OpenOffice.org is a good example - when the leadership direction changed, a major part of the "Open" community rebelled - but they couldn't change it. So they had to fork, start over, market a new product based on the old one - LibreOffice.
Yeah, same story with OpenSolaris.
erendorn
2011-05-31, 16:53
Thank you! And here I was thinking I was the only one to believe that. I admit I am not really a follower of the mailing lists, but it comes as a shock to me that apparently the "fully (99.9%) open sourced" OS MeeGo is actually being manipulated and bended to the will and benefits of a few... That sounds too much like corporatocracy and should not be associated with the words "Open Source"... I'm disappointed in Intel :(
In open source as everywhere else, the guys that provides both the money and the work decide. Source code is free, developers are not..
Nonetheless I totally agree that Intel (and MeeGo in general) should not dismiss usefull tech and even more usefull market presence that can still be provided by Nokia.
Ok i take back all i said i don't think meego is gonna be announced this week or this mounth affter all
apple is gonna release ios5 on june 6 th !!!
:(:(:(:(:(
mikecomputing
2011-05-31, 17:12
Ok i take back all i said i don't think meego is gonna be announced this week or this mounth affter all
apple is gonna release ios5 on june 6 th !!!
:(:(:(:(:(
IOS5 != Meego compliant, compatible and open soo who cares about that crap ;)
Remember the saying
"Nokia managment goes on vacation everytime steve jobs appears on stage with a new apple product"
You also should remember this
"Nokia or any company as per say will not EVER release a new product with a couple of new features when their rival is releasing a new product".
kindoff shadows or puts them in direct comparision for the consiumer or developer.
Duh its basic managerial 101 rule to be followed (next to basic electrical steps to be fllwd"always wear rubber gloves and plug off power to appliance")by any company whatsover !!
nwerneck
2011-05-31, 17:54
IOS5 != Meego compliant, compatible and open soo who cares about that crap ;)
Don't you know, man?? iOS and OSX are "unix", so it's all the same thing! That is why it's so good. It's Linux for human beings who work with graphics!...
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